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Old 12-27-2019, 2:17 PM
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Thumbs up state “Constitutional Carry": 2020 wins: 0; 2021 wins: UT, MT, IA, TN & TX!

(link to 2019 ConCarry thread: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1500052)

ETA: the Coronavirus pandemic knocked off the rails all states’ budgets and legislative plans for the year. We're unlikely to win (or lose) any states IMO. Thus the change from a "thumbs up" to sad face icon for this thread. Hopefully, come January, things will look better.
ETA2 May update: looks like OH and TN Con Carry bills are advancing, but no idea if they'll pass.

Status as of 2019 Dec 31:


Based on how things went in 2019, these are the states that have a chance of passing ConCarry in 2020 IMO (alphabetical order):

Alabama: unlikely to pass this session, more likely to pass law to clean up CCW process and offer lifetime CCW: https://www.alreporter.com/2020/02/1...y-legislation/

Florida: HB 273

Georgia bill HB 2
http://www.legis.ga.gov/Legislation/.../20192020/HB/2

Iowa: our side got sandbagged last year

Michigan:

Nebraska: ConCarry has a chance after Ernie Chambers becomes "lame duck" in Nov or is replaced in 2021 Jan (termed out).

Ohio: has a chance but Law enforcement, sheriffs, and prosecutors and then the Dayton massacre killed it last year. Here's some OH gun org links for updates.

https://twitter.com/BuckeyeFirearms

https://www.facebook.com/BuckeyeFirearmsAssociation

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/

ETA2: link to current status of the OH bill: https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/ohio...islation-guide

Oklahoma: the antis are trying to gather 95,000 signatures to put a repeal of Con Carry ("State Question 809") on the Nov ballot. We should know in June of they get enough signatures.
https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/seco...d723dac6d.html

South Carolina House bill HB 3456
https://www.scstatehouse.gov/billsea...=123&summary=B
Similar South Carolina Senate bills are:
S 0400 https://www.scstatehouse.gov/billsea...headerfooter=1
S 0139 https://www.scstatehouse.gov/billsea...headerfooter=1

Tennessee: may pass this year

Texas: in even years legislation is restricted to budgetary matters; RINOs & Dems killed it in 2019, we can't try again until 2021 January

Utah: anti Con Carry Gov. Gary Herbert will not run for re-election in 2020, so there may be a chance in 2021 or later with his successor.
https://www.ksl.com/article/42959379...nal-carry-bill

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The House also is expected to eventually approve a so-called “constitutional carry” bill that would allow law-abiding adults to carry a concealed handgun without obtaining firearms training or a permit.
From: https://www.dispatch.com/news/201910...ath-to-passage

Ohio Legislature
House 61 Repub, 38 Dem
Senate 24 Repub, 9 Dem


Ohio Gov Mike DeWine is a Repub with a NRA rating of F.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_DeWine#Gun_control

Overriding a veto takes 2/3rds of each chamber. In the Senate Repubs have exactly 2/3rds of the member. In the House they have only 62% of the member. Probably not all Repubs will vote for an override and not all Dems will vote against one.
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The second year of a two-year session starts in January with thorny issues from restricting abortion access and whether to allow guns to be carried without a permit to how to shape the future of energy for millions of South Carolinians or how to alter how the the state educates children. But perhaps the scariest thing of all to many in South Carolina -- Every House member and every Senate member can seek reelection next November.

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Columbia Democratic Rep. Beth Bernstein said what scares her most about the 2020 session is ... a Senate bill that would allow a person to carry a gun without a permit, known as constitutional carry (S. 139).

<snip>

Constitutional carry of guns is awaiting third reading in the Senate when lawmakers reconvene.

“(It’s) very alarming to me,” Bernstein said. “We need to have sensible gun safety legislation and constitutional carry would not be helpful in that initiative that I support.”
From: http://www.statehousereport.com/2019...ld-get-spooky/

The SC legislature:
House: 27 GOP 18 Dem 1 vacant
Senate: 80 GOP 44 Dem

ETA: the governor is on record saying he'll sign a Con Carry bill if it gets to his desk: https://www.postandcourier.com/polit...7c8d51e4d.html
Remember mass shootings have knocked Con Carry bills off track in the past and may this session.

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A bill filed in the Florida House would get rid of the state’s restrictions on who can carry guns in public.

GOP state Rep. Anthony Sabatini this week filed legislation (HB 273) to roll back requirements for concealed carry permits, lower the gun-possessing age and require reciprocity with gun permitting rules from other states.

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Meanwhile, some gun rights activists were slow to embrace Sabatini’s legislation.

“I have not yet had the opportunity to read and evaluate the bill, nor have I had the chance to talk to Rep. Sabatini to see what he is trying to do,” said Marion Hammer, executive director of the Unified Sportsmen of Florida and a former president of the National Rifle Association.

<snip>

Right now, Florida requires a permit to carry a gun except for hunting and fishing or when evacuating from a hurricane.

The gun legislation reaches beyond just concealed permits. For example, the legislation reduces the unlawful carrying of firearms into certain institutions from a felony to a misdemeanor. It also eliminates a requirement to be 21 years old to carry.

The legislation also includes controversial “reciprocity” language requiring Florida to recognize all concealed weapon and firearm licenses from other states, even those with looser requirements than Florida.
More at: https://floridapolitics.com/archives...tutional-carry

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The bill, HB 273, goes further than other proposals to relax gun restrictions, such as campus carry or open carry, that have died in the GOP-controlled Legislature in recent years.

Sabatini acknowledged it could be difficult to get the measure through the Legislature when lawmakers convene for the session in January. He said some senators are thinking about sponsoring a version of the bill in that chamber, but added that it is the first time a “constitutional carry” bill has been filed in Florida.
More at: https://www.orlandosentinel.com/poli...524-story.html

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Florida could become the 16th state to adopt “constitutional carry,” meaning no permit would be required to publicly carry a firearm, or lawmakers could impose more restrictions on concealed and open carry.

It could go either way during Florida’s 2020 legislative session, which begins Jan. 14. More likely, however, it goes neither way and everything stays the same.

Florida gun rights advocates and gun control proponents are squaring off in a battle of pre-filed bills that are unlikely to gain collaborative traction during the upcoming legislative session but will likely serve as November 2020 campaign issues.
http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/sto...le-legislation

Florida Legislature
House 73 Repub, 47 Dem
Senate 23 Repub, 17 Dem


The Repub Governor Ron DeSantis is pro 2nd A but, given the mass shootings of recent years, this may be a bridge too far for 2020.

It takes 60% of each chamber to override a governor's veto.

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Ha! I couldn't figure out why you guys thought I saw so optimistic until I realized the "xx wins!!!" could be interpreted as "20 wins!!!" Sorry, I was using the xx just as placeholders. I've changed them to empty parenthesis.

While I haven't and won't look up where things left off, IMO we've got a solid chance for 2 to 3 more states in 2020. Just like at the county level in CA re. CCWs, we keep making slow, steady gains.

ETA: I removed anything re. wins. Will replace after 1st win.

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What did see movement instead was a House bill proposing “constitutional carry," which would allow people to carry concealed weapons without either permits or mandated training.

But opponents, such as state Rep. Fred Strahorn (D-Dayton), said HB178 would get rid of common sense policies.

“I think not requiring a permit and training makes everyone less safe, including the gun owner," Strahorn said in June.

That bill and "Stand Your Ground" legislation seemed to be gaining momentum until the early morning of August 4, when a gunman opened fire in a busy entertainment district of Dayton, killing nine people.

<snip>

The "constitutional carry" bill passed out of one House committee in June, but was sent to another House committee, where it has sat in limbo ever since.
More at: https://www.wvxu.org/post/2019-mass-...tion-guns-ohio
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Rep. Mike Carter, R-Ooltewah, a permit bill co-sponsor, said Saturday ....

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At the same time, Carter has never sought a handgun carry license. That's because he says the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment guarantees him the right to carry.

"If I've got a constitutional right to do something, why would I pay and have to have a license?"
he asked.

Multiple efforts to pass a constitutional carry bill, whereby no one needs a permit to go armed, have repeatedly failed in the Legislature.
More at: https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/...line-t/511695/
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Thanks for organizing all this info. It's great! Every state that goes constitutional carry strengthens the arguments in court cases.

BTW, I still would say that RI, CT, DE should be considered shall-issue in practice. The only may-issue states that are not shall-issue in practice are HI, CA, MA, NY, NJ, MD.
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Angry Georgia:Kemp going RINO, doesn't mention ConCarry in State of State address

Georgia: our hope is House Speaker David Ralston gets his income tax cut, hamstringing Kemp forcing a focus on Republican social issues by the legislature (and that includes ConCarry), and that forcing Kemp to sign it.

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One year in — and now having laid out his vision for 2020 in last week’s State of the State address — Kemp is clearly embracing the center, as well.

Beyond a restrictive abortion law foisted upon him by the Legislature, the governor has skirted polarizing partisan issues. Even when addressing divisive issues, such as health care and voter rights, he’s sought tangible solutions, not political point winners.

While Kemp is in no danger of being labeled a RINO, or Republican In Name Only, his 2020 agenda does not read like a conservative manifesto. His State of the State address underscored his pragmatic approach to steering Georgia forward by focusing on issues that don’t divide residents along partisan lines.

Kemp’s State of the State talking points were adoption and foster care, education funding, teacher pay raises, surprise medical billing, criminal street gangs and human trafficking. He made no mention of constitutional carry, religious liberty, school choice and even the proposed income tax cut.

<snip>

Legislators will haggle over dollars, and they will find little wiggle room. They’ll have even less flexibility if House Speaker David Ralston makes good on his pre-session vow to pursue that aforementioned income tax cut.

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With little fiscal flexibility, legislators may devote more energy to promoting polarizing social issues that will engage their voting bases in an election year. All 236 members face primaries in May and a general election in November.

What follows will be the true test of Kemp as a centrist.
More at: https://www.savannahnow.com/opinion/...in-2020-agenda

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This year we are working to pass an amendment to the Iowa Constitution that would require the Iowa Supreme Court to review gun laws with strict scrutiny, which would make further gun control difficult. In view of the Virginia Democrat proposed restrictions, this may be the most important thing we could do for Iowa’s future freedom.

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An issue that has been made more difficult is constitutional carry. This would remove the need for a permit to carry by law abiding citizens. Over a third of the states allow this now, and three states have passed this provision in the last year, with no problems at all. I want to see this passed in Iowa and will be working to move it this year.

The problem comes in the form of a phony “pro-gun” group who is out to raise money with explosive emails and mailings. They claim they are working to move constitutional carry forward, but each time I make progress in the Senate they firebomb a senator or representative with lies and insults. The targeted officeholders are almost always supporters of permit-less carry. It gives opponents of gun rights a reason to laugh at us, but the biggest problem is it makes those who could go either way on the bill not want to get involved.
More at: https://caffeinatedthoughts.com/2020...-and-virginia/
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On Tuesday, January 21, the Minnesota Senate Judiciary and Public Safety Committee will hold a hearing on both anti-gun and pro-gun legislation. The committee will be taking testimony on Senate File 434 (criminalizing private firearm transfers) and Senate File 436 (“Red Flag” legislation). The committee will also be taking testimony on two pro-gun bills: Senate File 72 (self-defense legislation) and Senate File 748 (Constitutional Carry). Please attend this hearing on Tuesday, January 21 or contact your State Senator and urge them to OPPOSE Senate File 434 and Senate File 436, and to SUPPORT Senate File 72 and Senate File 748.

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Senate File 748, sponsored by Senators Mark Koran (R-32) and Andrew Lang (R-17), would remove the requirement to obtain a permit in order to lawfully carry a firearm for self-defense. This legislation gives Minnesotans the freedom to choose the best method of carrying for them.
More at: https://www.nraila.org/articles/2020...ills-scheduled

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If enacted, they would weaken or reverse Minnesota laws that generally permit deadly force only as a last resort. Gun rights groups and their GOP allies also are seeking to enact "Constitutional Carry" provisions — sometimes referred to as permitless carry — that guarantee the carrying of firearms by a law-abiding citizen without the need for government permission.

Doar said his group plans to push for floor votes on both measures this session, though he acknowledged that neither is likely to get through the Democratic-controlled House. Efforts to remove firearms from domestic abusers and increase penalties for felons in possession of guns are more likely to win bipartisan support.

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Both sides in Minnesota have made clear that whatever action the Legislature takes or doesn't take on guns this session will have implications for control of the Legislature in November, when all 201 seats in the House and Senate are in play.
More at: http://www.startribune.com/clash-ove...ing/567146842/

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What did see movement instead was a House bill proposing “constitutional carry," which would allow people to carry concealed weapons without either permits or mandated training.

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That bill and "Stand Your Ground" legislation seemed to be gaining momentum until the early morning of August 4, when a gunman opened fire in a busy entertainment district of Dayton, killing nine people.

<snip>

The "constitutional carry" bill passed out of one House committee in June, but was sent to another House committee, where it has sat in limbo ever since.
More at: https://www.wvxu.org/post/2019-mass-...tion-guns-ohio

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I think I missed this article re. Indiana last year (Nov 25th). It looks like there's not much support for Con Carry there yet.

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Indiana's Speaker of the House Brian Bosma announced he'll be leaving first his post as speaker, then the House of Representatives altogether.

Rep. Jim Lucas, a Republican from Seymour, pointed out on The Gun Guy, Saturday, that Bosma was an obstacle to the legislation, but also that Bosma was following the wishes of his constituents.

"When you representatives getting surveys back and their districts are just not really supporting, the kind of support you need going into a long, drawn-out battle because you know the left is gonna pull out every stop they have," he said.

Lucas, in defense of Bosma's stance, said that when you're in a leadership position, you can't waste political capital on something that's not going to work.

"You've got to be smart about this and you've got to do it right. Otherwise you're just hamstringing yourself right out of the gate."
More at: https://www.wibc.com/news/local-news...-carry-indiana

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Idaho and Montana have different laws re. Con Carry for residents vs non-residents. They may clean up some of those differences this session.

https://nwgunnews.com/can-idaho-and-...carry-in-2020/

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Texas

Bottom line: corruption

1 anti resigns, 1 steps down from GOP leadership and 1 anti Dem won't run again in 2020. This gives us hope for the future.

https://www.gunpowdermagazine.com/th...e-texas-house/

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In Iowa, getting a 2nd A-like RKBA amendment to their state constitution is a higher priority this term. They mucked it up a few years ago, so they had to redo it. Hopefully, they'll get it done right and move on to passing ConCarry ASAP.

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Constitutional carry was an issue that Wills said came up in his informal online poll.

I just really feel like the constitutional amendment is the most important thing,” he said. “If we don’t have that constitutional amendment, constitutional carry means nothing. So, I’d rather put my effort into the constitutional amendment rather than constitutional carry. Constitutional carry does not mean it’s a constitutional thing. So, that’s where I think some people are misunderstanding the issue.”
More at: https://theiowastandard.com/2020-pre...or-gun-rights/
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Northeast Tennessee legislators meeting:

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As for what will happen in the 2020 legislative session, Rep. John Crawford, R-Kingsport, led off by saying the House will examine a so-called “constitutional carry” bill that would expand gun rights.

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“Once the governor makes his State of the State speech, we will see the initiatives,” Hicks said.
More at: https://www.timesnews.net/Politics/2...e-session.html
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Thumbs up Texas -- Mark Williams

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Williams says he wants to stand up and get things done, if elected. He cited three issues as a particular focus, in addition to the economy: protecting life, constitutional carry and protecting history.

“You’ve got to have somebody standing up and being vocal, not ‘Oh, let’s sit here and wait to see how the vote goes, then vote.’ Or just sit here and say ‘Well it went away and I didn’t have to vote on it.’ That’s what’s going on,” Williams said. “We have to have those bills. We have to have constitutional carry. We have to protect life. We have to protect our history. That’s just the way I see it, and it’s not getting done. It’s the reason I’m here. I didn’t want to run; somebody needs to run, individuals, citizens that live and work in these communities have got to get active.”
More at: https://www.marshallnewsmessenger.co...5930c63eb.html

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A Florida Senate committee with a 5-3 Republican majority has approved a sweeping gun control bill that would close the so-called “gun show loophole” by requiring background checks for all private transactions and dramatically enhance the state’s “red flag” laws.

The Senate Infrastructure & Security Committee’s unanimous endorsement of the bill on Monday came on the eve of the Legislature formally convening and reflects an election-year concession by some “Gunshine State” Republicans that a majority of Florida voters regardless of political affiliation want more regulations placed on firearms.

The bill also presages what should be one of the themes of the 60-day legislative session – gun control bills from the Senate versus gun rights bills from the House.

SPB 7028 is a committee-created measure that incorporates several proposed bills and was drafted at the direction of Senate President Bill Galvano, R-Bradenton, who has expressed support for gun control citing pressure from voters demanding safeguards in a state that has endured five mass shootings since 2016.

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The measure will face opposition from some Senate Republicans and, certainly, in the House, where a conservative majority is likely to approve, among other proposals, “constitutional carry” and “campus carry” bills.

Both bills – House Bill 273 and HB 6001 – are sponsored by Rep. Anthony Sabatini, R-Howey-In-The-Hills, and are among 100 bills relating to firearms filed for the 2020 session.

The measure is opposed by former Republican House Speaker and current Florida State University President John Thrasher. Galvano has already said a campus carry bill will not advance in the Senate.
More at: https://www.thecentersquare.com/flor...b48185051.html

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Danny McCormick is state representative for house district one. He is proposing House Bill 72, a “constitutional carry” bill, which would allow Louisianians to carry concealed handguns without a permit.

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Currently, people in Louisiana can openly carry handguns without a permit and may concealed carry them with a permit.

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McCormick said he expects the bill to be voted on by lawmakers this legislative session.
More at: https://www.arklatexhomepage.com/new...e-in-gun-laws/

ETA: The 2020 Regular Legislative Session will convene at noon on Monday, March 9, 2020. Final Adjournment no later than 6:00 pm on Monday, June 1, 2020. https://www.legis.la.gov/legis/home.aspx

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A bill allowing any U.S. citizen to carry concealed weapons in the Gem State is on its way to the Idaho House.

Supporters of the bill say they’re trying to close a confusing loophole that can leave out-of-state visitors scratching their heads.

Right now, anyone over 18 can carry a concealed weapon without a permit in most places in Idaho, but only Idaho residents can do so within city limits.

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Two other states, North Dakota and neighboring Wyoming, only offer these benefits to state residents.

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The bill now heads to the House floor after passing the committee along a party line vote.
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More at: https://www.timesnews.net/Politics/2...e-session.html
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And we got GOP here like you got Dems in CA.
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And we got GOP here like you got Dems in CA.
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Tennessee to protect Second Amendment rights and make communities safer

Thursday, February 27, 2020 | 01:00pm

NASHVILLE, Tenn. – Today, Gov. Bill Lee announced that he is proposing legislation to advance the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding Tennesseans by implementing a Constitutional Carry law.

“The Second Amendment is clear and concise and secures the freedoms of law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms,” said Gov. Bill Lee. “I am pleased to announce Constitutional Carry legislation today that will protect the Second Amendment rights of Tennesseans, while also stiffening penalties on criminals who steal or illegally possess firearms. I appreciate Lt. Governor McNally and Speaker Sexton for helping to lead the way on this important issue.”

The governor’s legislation would extend the constitutional right to carry a handgun to all law-abiding citizens with or without a permit who are 21 and older, except in current restricted areas.

The legislation also includes several increased penalties for firearm-related crime to promote public safety including:

Increasing the penalty for theft of a firearm to a felony;
Providing a sentencing enhancement for theft of a firearm in a car;
Increasing the minimum sentence for theft of a firearm from 30 days to 180 days;
Increasing the sentences for unlawful possession of a firearm by violent felons and felony drug offenders, possession of a handgun by a felon, and unlawfully providing a handgun to a juvenile or allowing a juvenile to possess a handgun.

“A big part of protecting the Second Amendment for law-abiding citizens is cracking down on criminals who use guns. We will make sure those who commit crimes with firearms serve their full sentences and nothing less. Many states across the nation are moving towards permitless carry and I support the governor in this initiative,” said Lt. Governor Randy McNally.

“This legislation ensures that law-abiding citizens have a constitutional right to carry their handgun, but if you are a violent criminal, felon or drug dealer, there will be no tolerance for unlawful gun possession here in Tennessee,” said Speaker Cameron Sexton.

“I applaud Governor Lee’s commitment to Tennesseans’ Second Amendment rights guaranteed by our U.S. and state constitutions. This proposal will reduce barriers to ensure citizens have the ability to protect themselves and their families, while imposing stiffer penalties against criminals who possess guns illegally,” said Senate Majority Leader Jack Johnson.

"This constitutional carry package is historic because not only does it uphold the freedoms granted to us by our nation’s founding fathers, it also imposes mandatory minimum sentencing guidelines on bad guys who illegally obtain or use handguns,” said House Majority Leader William Lamberth. “I want to thank the National Rifle Association for their work over the years in making today a reality, and I look forward to working with Governor Lee, as well as my House and Senate colleagues to get Constitutional Carry passed in Tennessee."
Look at all those leaders whose titles I bolded. EVERY power player is supporting it in TN. How can it fail to pass this year?

ETA: legislative sessions usually end by May (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennes...ative_schedule)

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Perhaps, the fees are something TN likes:

https://www.tn.gov/safety/tnhp/handgun/permitfees.html
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Perhaps, the fees are something TN likes:

https://www.tn.gov/safety/tnhp/handgun/permitfees.html
But , if you want to carry out of state your still going to have to get the permit.
The enhanced not just the carry , or con carry when it passes. Remember we have a castle doctrine that also covers our cars .

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•Alaska*
•Arizona*
•Arkansas*
•Colorado – Does not honor 18-20-year-old permits or non-resident permits
•Delaware
•Florida* – Does not honor 18-20-year-old permits or non-resident permits
•Georgia*
•Idaho
•Indiana
•Iowa
•Kansas
•Kentucky*
•Louisiana*
•Maine
•Michigan*
•Mississippi*
•Missouri
•Montana
•Nebraska – Does not honor 18-20-year-old permits
•Nevada
•New Hampshire*
•New Mexico*
•North Carolina*
•North Dakota – Does not honor 18-20-year-old permits
•Oklahoma
•Ohio*
•Pennsylvania* – Does not honor 18-20-year-old permits or non-resident permits
•South Carolina*
•South Dakota*
•Texas*
•Utah
•Virginia
•West Virginia* – Does not honor 18-20-year-old permits or non-resident permits
•Wisconsin – Does not honor 18-20-year-old permits
•Wyoming*

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Thanks for the clean up, Mods.

If anyone has a complaint re. the map used in the OP take it up with whoever makes that map (hint: it is not me).

For me, the map is good enough for my purposes: to see where we're making progress beyond Shall Issue CCWs. For those of us in the PRK, especially in restrictive issuance counties, this thread is an encouragement in that it shows the entire nation is not a lost cause. At least for me, this thread puts a smile on my face to hold me over while we wait for SCOTUS to, hopefully, come to our rescue.

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SCOTUS is off topic for this thread.


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Thumbs up Idaho bill to clean up their Constitutional Carry law

Idaho

Now that's what I like about Idaho: goes to House and gets passed by the full House within 2 days!

Now on to the Senate!

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House Bill 516 would expand what gun rights activists call constitutional carry. The idea is that citizens should be able to carry weapons openly or concealed without a permit.

Idaho already allows state residents to carry just about anywhere, but out-of-staters face some restrictions. This bill, brought by Rep. Christy Zito (R-Hammett), would drop those restrictions for all U.S. residents who aren’t otherwise prohibited (such as felons) from carrying firearms.

Idaho has some of the least restrictive gun laws in the country. Still, some lawmakers backed by the Idaho Second Amendment Alliance have been working to strip away the few remaining regulations in state law.

The bill passed the Idaho House of Representatives Thursday on a 56-14 vote. It now heads to the Senate.
https://www.boisestatepublicradio.or...es-idaho-house

ETA: The Legislature meets annually from January until mid-March, although sessions have been known to last into May.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_...e_of_operation

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You really touched a nerve. Your uneducated drivel is tiring.
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Not since post #28 on Feb 28th. Read that post. It could be weeks or months before it passes. I usually try to search for news (searching "constitutional carry 2020"), every weekend. Feel free to do it yourself more often if you want.
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Thanks for this thread. It's always heartening to see that the notion of "as goes California, so goes the rest of the country" doesn't always apply. I think we'd all like to see a bit of the opposite in fact.
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The Republican-run Senate Judiciary Committee passed the permitless or "constitutional carry" bill, sponsored by panel Chairman Sen. Mike Bell, R-Riceville, on a party-line, 7-2 vote.

"There's no secret about this bill," Bell said, noting it is "very similar to what's passed in 17 states," while 31 states "recognize the right to carry openly."

...

Others voting for Senate Bill 2671 included Sen. Todd Gardenhire, R-Chattanooga, and Sen. Janice Bowling, R-Tullahoma. Action in a House subcommittee was later deferred to March 10.
More at: https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/...-carry/517273/
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As was stated, no. But this is not of that much importance. The issue is for Idaho to fully recognize the 2A right to keep and bear arms without any regulation by the several states and/or local jurisdictions. While I understand the proponents' goals, I do not see this as important. Idaho allows its residents to carry without a permit. So the proposed change is merely to allow non residents to do the same, without a permit of any kind. But, for non residents, Idaho already recognizes permits from all other states. So if you want to carry in Idaho, all you have to do is get a permit from any other state. While your state may be restrictive, you can still get a permit from several other states that issue to non residents and then carry in Idaho. If you are too lazy to do so, your are probably not sufficiently trained to carry anywhere. So my position is that if you are too lazy to get some training, or complete a minimal application, I do not care that you cannot carry in Idaho.
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ETA: The Legislature meets annually from January until mid-March, although sessions have been known to last into May.
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The Legislature is normally in session from the first working Monday in January with no fixed date for the end of the session. That said, legislators prefer to adjourn during the week before Easter.


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Not since post #28 on Feb 28th. Read that post. It could be weeks or months before it passes. I usually try to search for news (searching "constitutional carry 2020"), every weekend. Feel free to do it yourself more often if you want.
See above...it's not going to be "months before it passes".
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The Legislature is normally in session from the first working Monday in January with no fixed date for the end of the session. That said, legislators prefer to adjourn during the week before Easter.



See above...it's not going to be "months before it passes".
Starts mid March (i.e., hasn't even started yet), and can last "into May" (9 weeks or 2 months from now).

Like I said, "It could be weeks or months before it passes."

Naturally, I hope for sooner rather than later. But we've been handed our heads in other states when we've been too optimistic in the past.

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Starts mid March (i.e., hasn't even started yet), and can last "into May" (9 weeks or 2 months from now).

Like I said, "It could be weeks or months before it passes."

Naturally, I hope for sooner rather than later. But we've been handed our heads in other states when we've been too optimistic in the past.
Legislature here has been in session since January of this year...

Idaho Legislative Session 2020 Info.
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Constitutional carry bill clears Ala. Senate committee
Lydia Nusbaum 4 hrs ago

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (WSFA) - A bill to get rid of concealed carry pistol permit requirements cleared the Alabama Senate Judiciary Committee by a vote of 6 to 4 Thursday morning.

Supporters say it is their constitutional right to carry a concealed weapon without buying a permit from the government. Law enforcement says the permits help them catch criminals.

The bill would eliminate concealed carry pistol permit requirements but it would still allow someone to get a permit if they wanted to.

Sen. Gerald Allen, R-Tuscaloosa, has brought the bill forward on multiple occasions.

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Before the vote, Sen. Cam Ward, R-Alabaster, asked Allen what he would do to move the bill through the House. Ward expressed concern that the Senate has moved it in the past, but the legislation consistently fails in the other chamber.

The bill now heads to the full Senate for a vote.

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Tennessee

If any of you have any connections to TN, please pass this info on to them (e.g., email, FB post/message and/or online forum). Shelby Co wants to become to TN what NYC is to NY state -- an anti 2nd A fortress.

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Shelby County wants nothing to do with constitutional carry in Tennessee. It wants out.

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On Monday, the county's legislative body joined the chorus of disapproval about the bill seen from Memphis-area officials. The commission passed a resolution expressing disapproval for the proposed legislation and asked the Tennessee General Assembly to carve Shelby County out of the proposal.

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It also said what law enforcement professionals and gun industry professionals have told The Commercial Appeal since it was proposed: Allowing people to carry firearms without a permit or training lowers the bar needed to carry. It expressed concern about the presence of concealed weapons becoming prevalent at shopping malls and on public streets.

Commissioner Reginald Milton said he is a gun owner and that his greatest fear is guns ending up in the hands of those who shouldn't have them because of the bill.

The legislation was originally sponsored by commissioners David Bradford and Tami Sawyer, a Republican and a Democrat respectively. The measure passed 10 to 1. Commissioner Mick Wright voted against it. Commissioner Willie Brooks was not at his seat at the time of the vote. Chairman Mark Billingsley was absent.
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