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Old 08-16-2019, 2:33 PM
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Did the CA CCW shooting requirements change for 2019?

1. 3 yards
2. 5 yards
3. 7 yards
4. 10 yards (I'm hearing yes and no on this?)

How many rounds in what ring?
One mag (10) per distance interval?

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I am sure it will vary from IA to IA and instructors. I just had to renew mine and had to fire a total of 60 rounds. They ranged from 3 yards to 7 yards. There was clearing a malfunction during the qualifier and a timed portion where you had to put 2 rounds center mass and one in the head in 3 seconds. You also had to fire from position 2 or 3 for a section as well. To pass you had to put 50 of your 60 rounds in the 8 or higher rings . ( I put 2 in the 8, 1 in the 9 and the rest blew out the X in center mass and head. ) 2 years ago when I renewed it was 24 rounds and if you hit paper you were good to go... so. I am interested in the answers to this question as well.
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There is no statewide standard. It is totally up to the IA and some still allow variance from instructor to instructor.
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This is honestly one of those things I have very little quarrel with. Nobody I know that has a CCW ever failed a qualification, and those that had any trouble in my classes were tended to by some really helpful deputies to get them on the target. I've always kind of figured this is what it's really about anyway, at least with Berdoo county.
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I have seen people in every renewal class that should NOT be allowed to carry a firearm. The requirement for CCW should be standard AND set at a very high level . If you can not hit what you need to hit on a static line from 3 to 7 yards then you have no business carrying a gun. My .02
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Thanks.

Seems odd there is no state standard, but then it is Kalifornia so...
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Old 08-16-2019, 7:51 PM
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No standardized issue either...If you can stay generally COM from 3 to 10 yrds you should be good for most IAs I would imagine.
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Kern County Sheriff CCW minimum qualification course:

4 rounds – two hand shooting @ 5 yards
2 rounds – one hand shooting with the left hand @ 5 yards
2 rounds – one hand shooting with the right hand @ 5 yards
4 rounds – two hand shooting at 7 yards
Total rounds fired for each gun you want to qualify with is 12 rounds.

(Instructors may have shooters fire all rounds at 7 yards)


Mono County Sheriff CCW minimum qualification course:

Distance (yards) Rounds (Total 30rounds)

1.5 yds. 5 rounds
3 yds. 5 rounds
5 yds. 10 rounds
7 yds. 5 rounds
10 yds. 5 rounds
Passing score is 70%
Target Dimensions: 12 inches x 16 inches
Inyo County Sheriff Permits
Inyo County Sheriff’s Office CCW minimum qualification course:

Must qualify with each firearm the applicant is requesting carry on the permit.
FBI-Q Target or equivalent.
The recommended minimum qualification course will be 27 rounds
3 Yards: 3 rounds to target.\
5 Yards: 3 rounds from “gun hand” & 3 rounds from “support hand” to target.
7 Yards: Two “failure drills” to target.
10 Yards: 8 rounds to target.
15 Yards: 1 round to target in 12 seconds, repeat for a total of 4 times.
Shooters will be permitted to reload as needed.
The passing score is 75% which equals missing 7 rounds outside the bottle outline on a standard FBI-Q target or its equivalent.

Tulare County Sheriff CCW minimum qualification course:

In order to certify a certain handgun, the student must fire the maximum amount of rounds the weapon holds. This does not including a round in the firing chamber.
Half of the total bullets (or 50%) from one full magazine or one full cylinder must hit the target from at least the seven (7) yard mark.
There will be no time requirement to discharge rounds or move through the exercise.
There will be no drawing or holstering requirement as there is no mandate for CCW holders to holster firearms.
Students must qualify with each firearm they wish to conceal and carry.
Station 1) Full magazine or cylinder from 7 yards at 50% success
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Ventura County qualification standard:

AGENCY QUALIFICATION STANDARDS
a. Pursuant to Cal. Penal Code § 26165(3)(b), a licensing authority shall establish, and make available to the public, the standards it uses when issuing licenses with regards to the required live-fire shooting exercises.

i. Live-fire Qualification
A. Include draw and fire from method of carry. Must pass complete course with each weapon approved for carry.

B. Minimum two draws each station, two rounds each to the body, from 3, 7, 10, and 15 yards on a “B27” or “IPSIC” type target.

Times: 5 seconds, 5 seconds, 5 seconds, 10 seconds.

C. Passing score is all rounds on target, no complete misses.

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Ventura County qualification standard:

AGENCY QUALIFICATION STANDARDS
a. Pursuant to Cal. Penal Code § 26165(3)(b), a licensing authority shall establish, and make
available to the public, the standards it uses when issuing licenses with regards to the required live-fire shooting exercises.

i. Live-fire Qualification
A. Include draw and fire from method of carry. Must pass complete course with each weapon approved for carry.

B. Minimum two draws each station, two rounds each to the body, from 3, 7, 10, and 15 yards on a “B27” or “IPSIC” type target.

Times: 5 seconds, 5 seconds, 5 seconds, 10 seconds.

C. Passing score is all rounds on target, no complete misses.


My range qual day was terrifying. 3 of 8 people failed this very easy COF. Woman next to me put two rounds into my target - missing her full size B27 target by at least 4 feet - at a range of 15 yards. Another guy didn’t bring a belt or holster - he was planning to just stuff the gun into his waistband. The instructor made him use a holster, so every time he drew the holster and gun came out together. Then he’d sweep his off hand getting the gun out. Then he’d sweep his feet, or the rest of us, picking the holster up off the ground. Stupid is bad enough, but armed and stupid is worse.


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Thanks all. Sounds like he just needs to call the company doing the class what they want.
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Did the CA CCW shooting requirements change for 2019?



1. 3 yards

2. 5 yards

3. 7 yards

4. 10 yards (I'm hearing yes and no on this?)



How many rounds in what ring?

One mag (10) per distance interval?



Buddy's daughter is getting into it.

There is no statewide course of fire. See: 26165(a)(3) and (4).
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I am sure it will vary from IA to IA and instructors. I just had to renew mine and had to fire a total of 60 rounds. They ranged from 3 yards to 7 yards. There was clearing a malfunction during the qualifier and a timed portion where you had to put 2 rounds center mass and one in the head in 3 seconds. You also had to fire from position 2 or 3 for a section as well. To pass you had to put 50 of your 60 rounds in the 8 or higher rings . ( I put 2 in the 8, 1 in the 9 and the rest blew out the X in center mass and head. ) 2 years ago when I renewed it was 24 rounds and if you hit paper you were good to go... so. I am interested in the answers to this question as well.


That is significantly harder than OC requirements.

Two years ago (I assume it’s still the same) when I got my CCW, you had to shoot from 3-5-7 yards for a total of 72 shots. You just had to get 50 anywhere in the head/torso, lol. There were no calls for “8, 9, or 10” ring shots....no 2-in-the-body-1-in-the-head sequence......no malfunction checks.....no holster work.

You do have to eject a mag and do a reload a couple of times.....but not a timed event, lol.

Yep, a couple (out of ~16) people could have failed....I think the instructor helped them pass, with some extra shots. One lady had a small/medium revolver and could barely keep her shots on paper....Scary.

Qualifying extra guns only required 20 shots.


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I just checked the Humboldt County Sheriff's Office CCW web page, and no new weapon qualification specifications were given.

In the past it for renewal re-qualifications it was 25 rounds per weapon at a minimum range for the B-27 target determined by barrel length, with no timing between shots. The range had a "one shot per second max" sign above the door.

Edited to add, some of us have CCW Weapons with a magazine or cylinder capacity, of less than 10 rounds... I am due for a renewal of my license next year.

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Each IA was required to decide and publish their qualification requirements as of the beginning of the 2019. You would want to check the web site for your IA to see what is being required.
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Shasta County's requirements are much easier than most of what I'm reading about in other counties.

16 out of 20 rounds must be in at least the 9 ring at 7 yards. Human silhouette target, I do not recall the official term for said target.

That goes for all of the pistols listed on your license.

Pretty easy unless you're a blind cyclops.
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Butte County is 8 out of 10 rounds in the 9 ring of a B-27 target at 7 yards.
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...a timed portion where you had to put 2 rounds center mass and one in the head in 3 seconds. ...
Wow, that is more stringent than POST qualifiers for LEOs in regards to time pressure.
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... The requirement for CCW should be standard AND set at a very high level . If you can not hit what you need to hit on a static line from 3 to 7 yards then you have no business carrying a gun. My .02
The problem with setting it at a "very high level" is that it can be used maliciously by the State to eliminate most people from ever getting a CCW. Just like the roster is being used to prohibit new semi-automatic handguns being sold in the State.
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Not all people can shoot accurately, but they should be free to exercise their right to defend themselves with a firearm. If they shoot an innocent or damage property they must be prepared to reap the whirlwind. It's called personal responsibility.

Adding requirements to qualify a citizen to exercise a constitutional right is a repugnant control by the state.

Constitutional carry states don't seem to have any problems with dumping the arcane requirements.
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I have seen people in every renewal class that should NOT be allowed to carry a firearm. The requirement for CCW should be standard AND set at a very high level . If you can not hit what you need to hit on a static line from 3 to 7 yards then you have no business carrying a gun. My .02
No one should have to pass anything to exercise a right. There are now 12 states that do not require a permit to carry. There's no blood in the streets or gunfights at the local saloon.

It is responsible to be proficient, but it is a right, the last time I checked at least.
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Just like the roster is being used to prohibit new semi-automatic handguns being sold in the State.
The roster isn't doing that, it's the Microstamping law that Arnie signed that is. Nothing new can go on-roster unless it includes Microstamping. Prior to that new guns could be added by paying the state sponsored extortion fee.
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Per the Riverside County Sheriff's Department, I'm guessing at Ben Clark.
"You will be required to fire your weapon on the Sheriff’s designated range, and qualify with a passing score of 70% or better.
15-yard line: Starting from the "low ready" position, empty a full magazine (or cylinder) at two targets. Reload and move forward (on command) to the 10 yard line.
10-yard line: Starting from the "low ready" position, empty a full magazine (or cylinder) at two targets. Reload and move forward (on command) to the 7 yard line.
7-yard line: Starting from the "low ready" position, empty a full magazine (or cylinder) at two targets, firing two shots to the body and one to the head of each target until all ammunition is expended."

I didn't go through Ben Clark but rather at Second Amendment in Palm Desert. COF if I remember correctly the details, distances were 7, 10, 15 feet not yards. Each distance required 8-10 shots starting from low ready
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-2 shots repeat
-2 shots right hand only
-2 shots left hand only
-Adjust to next distance
Witnessed some folks struggling to get decent group on target (standard B27). Figure 70-80% at center mass and proper gun handling is sufficient.
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San Bernardino

15 feet

10 shots

Must hit ABOVE x (upper torso, not lower) within 7 ring

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Sacramento County here https://www.sacsheriff.com/Pages/Org...t%20CCW%20.pdf

6 stages, various distances, 100rds, all timed and scored.
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Just completed in Fresno (The Range)

3 yds 15
5 yds 15
7 yds 20

75% in the torso. Pretty hard to fail, but saw one person in my class do just that.
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Orange County:

A passing score of 70% on a live fire course using the same weapon(s) that
will be listed on the license. The live fire course will be at minimum, 72 total
rounds fired at standard silhouette B-27 scoring targets placed 3, 5 and 7
yards from the shooter; 24 rounds per distance. The live fire course should
be conducted after the classroom portion of the certification course.
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Not all people can shoot accurately, but they should be free to exercise their right to defend themselves with a firearm. If they shoot an innocent or damage property they must be prepared to reap the whirlwind. It's called personal responsibility.

Adding requirements to qualify a citizen to exercise a constitutional right is a repugnant control by the state.

Constitutional carry states don't seem to have any problems with dumping the arcane requirements.
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The roster isn't doing that, it's the Microstamping law that Arnie signed that is. Nothing new can go on-roster unless it includes Microstamping. Prior to that new guns could be added by paying the state sponsored extortion fee.
Are you really that pedantic? The microstamping law is a pre-requisite to go on the roster, hence the roster is doing it as new guns can not go on the roster. There are also many other requirements to go on the roster, should I have listed all of those as well to satisfy you?

Bottom line, the purpose of the roster is no longer safety but a way to prevent non-exempt people in CA from purchasing newer models of handguns.
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should I have listed all of those as well to satisfy you?
Please do!
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