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Old 07-27-2019, 11:19 PM
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Default Which 6.5 cm for long range?

Shoot 1000 and 1400 with some buddies.

I currently have a 308 700 5r and want to pickup a 6.5

Some suggestions have been
Rpr
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What do you guys think is a good bang for buck?
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Old 07-27-2019, 11:49 PM
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Which Bergara? The B14 or the Premier/Pro? HMR, BMP or LRP?

The B14 HMR delivers a lot of value for less than $1K, I chose it because I liked the stock.
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Old 07-28-2019, 7:14 AM
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Which Bergara? The B14 or the Premier/Pro? HMR, BMP or LRP?

The B14 HMR delivers a lot of value for less than $1K, I chose it because I liked the stock.
It would be the hmr unless the others have strong sell points
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Old 07-28-2019, 12:36 AM
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Hard to beat the RPRs as far as $/performance. I know three folks that have 6.5CM RPR's and love 'em. I've shot them and liked them. The Tikas & Howas are also nice rifles. I see a lot of both on the rifle lines. But if you can spend even a little more money, I'd go for the Bergara personally. The fit & finish based on the ones I've seen, IMO are plainly better then the comparable Tikka or Howa products. The BMP or LRP are just beautifully designed and built. If the choice is the Bergara B-14 HMR(that's the current model yes?) v the RPR, that is a tough call. Those are kind of different critters OP. That all said, I do not have lots of time behind one OP. Others are probably more qualified to speak to that.

I know a lot of folks don't, but I happen to like the stock on the RPR's, do you OP? The B-17 HMR is a more conventional hunting style stock. I've never seen the HMR in person. Do you like that style of stock OP? I know lots of folks prefer that sort of weight distribution. If you grew up a hunter, that is probably what you're accustomed to.

I do volunteer as an RO at my local range. One of the main 'percs of that gig is you get to see all the cool and different things people show up with. Most often folks are happy to show off their weapons if asked politely. So I've had chance to handle, talk to the owners of, and even fire a few Bergara rifles. I have always been impressed when I've looked at any of the Bergara products. Particularly the fit and finish of the BMP & LRP, to me, are just beautiful. As I often do after one of my shifts, I went and looked them up later. I was surprised by the relatively affordable price tags. If I'd had to guess, I'd have guessed a goodly bit higher price based on the design and fit and finish of those two rifles. But again, my experience is not in driving any of these. And the OP, is what it is all about right? So take all of the above with the proverbial grain of salt sir.

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Old 07-28-2019, 7:16 AM
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Hard to beat the RPRs as far as $/performance. I know three folks that have 6.5CM RPR's and love 'em. I've shot them and liked them. The Tikas & Howas are also nice rifles. I see a lot of both on the rifle lines. But if you can spend even a little more money, I'd go for the Bergara personally. The fit & finish based on the ones I've seen, IMO are plainly better then the comparable Tikka or Howa products. The BMP or LRP are just beautifully designed and built. If the choice is the Bergara B-14 HMR(that's the current model yes?) v the RPR, that is a tough call. Those are kind of different critters OP. That all said, I do not have lots of time behind one OP. Others are probably more qualified to speak to that.

I know a lot of folks don't, but I happen to like the stock on the RPR's, do you OP? The B-17 HMR is a more conventional hunting style stock. I've never seen the HMR in person. Do you like that style of stock OP? I know lots of folks prefer that sort of weight distribution. If you grew up a hunter, that is probably what you're accustomed to.

I do volunteer as an RO at my local range. One of the main 'percs of that gig is you get to see all the cool and different things people show up with. Most often folks are happy to show off their weapons if asked politely. So I've had chance to handle, talk to the owners of, and even fire a few Bergara rifles. I have always been impressed when I've looked at any of the Bergara products. Particularly the fit and finish of the BMP & LRP, to me, are just beautiful. As I often do after one of my shifts, I went and looked them up later. I was surprised by the relatively affordable price tags. If I'd had to guess, I'd have guessed a goodly bit higher price based on the design and fit and finish of those two rifles. But again, my experience is not in driving any of these. And the OP, is what it is all about right? So take all of the above with the proverbial grain of salt sir.
Iíve gotten behind the rpr and it fits well the trigger is very crisp and I like the stock as well. My only thing is the the barrel shroud prevents getting lower rings but other than that. Itís good bang. Even has a folding stock which is awesome.

The begera stock isnít my first choice but I think I can get use to it
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Another one to consider is the Savage Stealth Evolution. It came out a couple years ago and is much smoother than the Savages from 5 years ago. They get put on sale a fair amount and Savage occasionally does rebates on them. I've seen them online recently for $1250-1300. The other good thing about Savages is they are in stores more often than other brands, like at Cabela's, etc. so you can fondle them.

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Old 07-28-2019, 3:02 AM
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why not just have a barrel chambered in 6.5 on your 700?
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Old 07-28-2019, 7:17 AM
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Another one to consider is the Savage Stealth Evolution. It came out a couple years ago and is much smoother than the Savages from 5 years ago. They get put on sale a fair amount and Savage occasionally does rebates on them. I've seen them online recently for $1250-1300. The other good thing about Savages is they are in stores more often than other brands, like at Cabela's, etc. so you can fondle them.

https://savagearms.com/content?p=fir...ummary&s=22859

Do you own one?

How is aftermarket support?
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Not bad. You can find triggers, and if for some some reason you want a different chassis, most are available in a Savage inlet. Pre-fit barrels that you can change with a wrench, vise, and headpsace gauge, are widely available.
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Old 07-28-2019, 4:24 AM
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I'm getting ready to have a custom 6.5 built.
I think I will be selling my predator in order to fund it.
1/4 moa gun in my hands. Selling the gun with the hidden mods like jbweld and sand with scope for $700.I do not shoot it under 900 yards since it is a laser. It's not tacticool like a rpr but it can easily keep up with one. I typically stay .6 moa at 1250 yards. At 1 mile the bullet is the limiting factor but you should be fine at 1400. maybe 300 rounds through it but I'll just say 400 to be safe. need to count the brass.

other than that i would suggest skipping over those low mid range guns and going straight to custom. ive shot most of those and they are closer to a $400 gun than a $2500 custom built gun. or get a chassis to make my predator tacticool if you need looks.
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I'm getting ready to have a custom 6.5 built.
I think I will be selling my predator in order to fund it.
1/4 moa gun in my hands. Selling the gun with the hidden mods like jbweld and sand with scope for $700.I do not shoot it under 900 yards since it is a laser. It's not tacticool like a rpr but it can easily keep up with one. I typically stay .6 moa at 1250 yards. At 1 mile the bullet is the limiting factor but you should be fine at 1400. maybe 300 rounds through it but I'll just say 400 to be safe. need to count the brass.

other than that i would suggest skipping over those low mid range guns and going straight to custom. ive shot most of those and they are closer to a $400 gun than a $2500 custom built gun. or get a chassis to make my predator tacticool if you need looks.
What are you looking for that your Ruger doesn't give you? You might easily spend 3 or 4 grand and not get better than 1/4 moa.
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Old 07-28-2019, 5:57 AM
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It would be the hmr unless the others have strong sell points
The BMP is similarly priced, but has a stock that is focused on precision shooting. The HMR is like an amalgamation for hunting and precision. It sounds like you want to do precision shooting.

The LRP is like the BMP, but with an upgraded trigger, action, and more stock adjustment from the factory. All of them have fully floated barrels. The HMR Pro gets you the upgraded action, trigger, and a stainless barrel.

I would honestly shy away from a factory Rem 700, just because the barrel, you will want to upgrade pretty quickly after you start shooting-- which ultimately will cost more than just buying a rifle with an upgraded barrel like Tikka or Bergara.
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The BMP is similarly priced, but has a stock that is focused on precision shooting. The HMR is like an amalgamation for hunting and precision. It sounds like you want to do precision shooting.

The LRP is like the BMP, but with an upgraded trigger, action, and more stock adjustment from the factory. All of them have fully floated barrels. The HMR Pro gets you the upgraded action, trigger, and a stainless barrel.

I would honestly shy away from a factory Rem 700, just because the barrel, you will want to upgrade pretty quickly after you start shooting-- which ultimately will cost more than just buying a rifle with an upgraded barrel like Tikka or Bergara.
I would never plan to hunt with it so weight is not issue. Mainly precision shooting as you mention. Seems like many like the begera
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Old 07-28-2019, 9:32 AM
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I’m happy with my RPR in 6.5c. Comes with 20moa base factory. Slap a decent scope and bipod and got shooting 1000-1400 out the box.
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I like both of my RPR's. The trigger is the one thing that needs a little improvement, like a lot of other rifles. An easy fix is a $10 lighter spring Ruger Precision Rifle Reduced Power Spring ~1 - 1.5 lb. But it's not a must have item.
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I have the S&W 6.5 1,000+ yards on target no problem, on the upper end with cost on rifle's above.
https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearm...0-65-creedmoor
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The Howa 1500 can be purchased as a barreled action only. That would be my choice as you can tacticool it up without wasting new factory parts. My friend has one and we've taken it to 1 mile without much grief.
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How quickly everyone forgets about the R700.
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If you're on an extreme budget, here's a Howa chassis rifle on sale for $750.

https://www.rkguns.com/legacy-howa-h...utm_medium=cse
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If you're on an extreme budget, here's a Howa chassis rifle on sale for $750.

https://www.rkguns.com/legacy-howa-h...utm_medium=cse
Not on a super tight budget but want some good bang for buck

My r700 5r sits in a chassis right now and I enjoy the pistol grip
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I'm still looking at the RPR in 6.5cm and I just saw recently as this past weekend online, a Savage BA10 Stealth for $800... I've held both of these before and really like them both...but if I dont get the Stealth, it may be the RPR...tough choices!
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T3x ctr or tac a1
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I'd agree with either of these. If you do the CTR I'd drop it in a different chassis.
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The RPR is good because of how adjustable it is for the individual shooter. Most guns if not all shoot, it's the shooter that influences the shot. Look for a rifle you can get most comfortable behind.
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Not on a super tight budget but want some good bang for buck

My r700 5r sits in a chassis right now and I enjoy the pistol grip
So keep the same chassis, trigger, action and scope and just fit a new barrel.
It will feel the same but you will be shooting 6.5 instead of 308.
If you don't fool with the action/bolt, you can switch barrels back and forth easily as each will be headspaced to your action.
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So keep the same chassis, trigger, action and scope and just fit a new barrel.
It will feel the same but you will be shooting 6.5 instead of 308.
If you don't fool with the action/bolt, you can switch barrels back and forth easily as each will be headspaced to your action.
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Get a 6.5Creed Bartlein Barrel, pay Randall to chamber and install it for you.
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~$7-850 total and will outshoot any factory rifle unless you're going high-end like GAP, Surgeon, etc.
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So keep the same chassis, trigger, action and scope and just fit a new barrel.
It will feel the same but you will be shooting 6.5 instead of 308.
If you don't fool with the action/bolt, you can switch barrels back and forth easily as each will be headspaced to your action.
Looking for a 2nd gun to bring as a spare
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A couple new semi-custom rifles,
designed for PRS production division, but they are a pretty good deal for the money.
Better than any factory gun, in terms of what you get

MPA PMR Rifle
- Custom Action(Curtis)
- Competition Barrel
- Trigger tech special
- Competition proven chassis

https://masterpiecearms.com/shop/mpa...etition-rifle/

BadRock South Fork
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https://badrockrifles.com
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I own a bergara HMR in 6.5 and love it. I have also shot the RPR in 6.5 and a how’s 1500 HCR in 6.5. All three guns shoot very well. I personally think it’s all about what fits you best. The one downside to the HMR is the finish. Gotta keep it wiped down with oil.
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I own a bergara HMR in 6.5 and love it. I have also shot the RPR in 6.5 and a howís 1500 HCR in 6.5. All three guns shoot very well. I personally think itís all about what fits you best. The one downside to the HMR is the finish. Gotta keep it wiped down with oil.
Really, omg. The Bergara is really like 700, rusts like one too, lol.
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Really, omg. The Bergara is really like 700, rusts like one too, lol.
It may rust like one but I will bet they shoot better out of the box 8/10 times lol. Bergaraís quality control is better.
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Really, omg. The Bergara is really like 700, rusts like one too, lol.
Finish of a Remington, extractor of a Savage? Oy.
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Finish of a Remington, extractor of a Savage? Oy.
They picked the worst of both to copy!
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I just picked up a Ruger No1B in 6.5X284. Which, when it comes to accurate long range shooting, is much like seeing a pretty girl in a bikini - and finding out she's a nun. Looks nice, but what's the point?

My apologies to any Ruger No1 owners or Catholics I may have offended …..
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I think I’m going to go with a bergara hmr premier. Seems like the upgrades from the base hmr are pretty good.
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