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Old 09-08-2021, 8:40 PM
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Patriot Attorney George Lyon is representing Dick Heller in a lawsuit against D.C. over their ban on homemade guns. As some of you may know George Lyon was a plaintiff in D.C.'s first carry lawsuit which overturned D.C.'s ban on carry and litigated the lawsuit which overturned D.C.'s ban on tasers. He currently serves as D.C.'s premiere firearms instructor when he is not practicing law. And of course Dick Heller is the man behind Heller v. D.C. As such really needs no introduction.


https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...235342.1.0.pdf
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Patriot Attorney George Lyon is representing Dick Heller in a lawsuit against D.C. over their ban on homemade guns. As some of you may know George Lyon was a plaintiff in D.C.'s first carry lawsuit which overturned D.C.'s ban on carry and litigated the lawsuit which overturned D.C.'s ban on tasers. He currently serves as D.C.'s premiere firearms instructor when he is not practicing law. And of course Dick Heller is the man behind Heller v. D.C. As such really needs no introduction.


https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...235342.1.0.pdf
This ghost gun nonsense should end . Had a police chief suggest on the highly censored, highly partisan, next-door that felons and gangbangers are getting ghost guns to circumvent background checks.
I pointed out that its a 10 year federal prison term for felon in possession.
That didn't get me suspended, but FBI data on murder did, along with a direct quote from Jessie Jackson.
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That sounds like a winning team.

The Second Amendment has been treated as a second class "privilege" for far too long. I especially liked the "IN YOUR FACE" intro.

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1. After gaining home rule from the United States Congress in 1976, the District of Columbia’s elected officials have adhered to a cynical policy of “self-government for me, but no self-defense for thee.”
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This will take years.
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This will take years.

^^^IT ALWAYS DOES^^^

Elitist Leftists can pass unconstitutional legislation in a matter of weeks, or months.

And if lucky. We can have it overturned in a matter of years. And often it takes DECADES.
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Attorney George Lyon has filed for preliminary injunction on behalf of Dick Heller in his ghost gun case. This brief is a great piece of legal scholarship. And lays out well the reasons the ban in unconstitutional.

https://pdfhost.io/v/zWc66Y9qk_Dick_Heller_PI_Ghost_Gun
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md...Hqb0qwLMctcgfk

D.C. Council votes to clarify definition of ‘ghost guns’ in response to lawsuit

Ghost guns that were secured by the D.C. police are displayed during a news conference held by Mayor Muriel E. Bowser in February 2020. (Astrid Riecken for The Washington Post)
By Michael Brice-Saddler
Today at 7:05 p.m. EST


The D.C. Council voted Tuesday to amend the city’s law that bans untraceable firearms, also known as “ghost guns,” in response to a federal lawsuit that alleged the law was overly broad.

The lawsuit was filed in September by a group of plaintiffs including Dick A. Heller, who successfully challenged the city’s ban on handguns in the landmark 2008 Supreme Court decision District of Columbia v. Heller. He now asserts that the District’s ban on ghost guns, passed last year, unjustly outlaws all polymer-based guns — including Glock handguns, which are issued to many D.C. police officers. (Military and law enforcement agencies are exempt from the ban.)

In the suit, Heller asserted that the city’s prohibition on manufacturing guns prevented him from building his own firearm from a kit, even though he was willing to register it and place a serial number on it. Homemade polymer guns are called ghost guns because they don’t have a serial number, and purchasers are not required to undergo a background check. Officials have said the prevalence of these guns has contributed to rising levels of violence.

But on Tuesday, the D.C. Council took emergency action that officials hope will mitigate the issues laid out in the suit. Introduced by D.C. Attorney General Karl A. Racine (D), the changes seek to ensure that only undetectable firearms are captured in the city’s definition of “ghost gun.”

The current law defines a ghost gun as one that will not set off a metal detector after all parts are removed other than the receiver. But that can leave only a polymer frame, the lawsuit stated, adding, “The District has apparently unwittingly made … existing polymer frame handguns illegal.” Under the change approved Tuesday, guns would have to be detectable with their barrel, trigger and firing mechanism attached, even if the receiver is polymer-based, to prevent construction of a completely plastic gun.

The amended language also outlines a process for legally possessing self-manufactured firearms: The guns cannot meet the new definition of ghost guns, they must be lawfully registered and solely for personal use, and they must have unique serial numbers.


George L. Lyon Jr., Heller’s lawyer, said the council’s actions Tuesday appeared to be a first step toward addressing the issues in the lawsuit and more closely aligning the city’s definition of ghost guns with federal statutes.

D.C.’s ghost-gun law faces legal challenge from Dick Heller, successful gun rights activist

“If this does ultimately become law, then it does address my concerns. It appears they are trying to fix the problems,” Lyon said.

He added that he still has a request for a preliminary injunction pending, and that because the changes were approved on a temporary basis, an additional legislative process is needed for permanent change.

The legislation was approved 12-to-1 and now heads to Mayor Muriel E. Bowser (D) for consideration. Council member Brooke Pinto (D-Ward 2) was the only vote against the measure. She argued that “the proliferation of ghost guns in our city is certainly not what the founders anticipated or intended,” even if it is subject to legal challenge.

“I’m hoping for more clarification on why we as a city have to continue allowing something that in my view is extremely outside the scope of what the founders intended,” she added.

Tom Jackman contributed to this report.
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AMAZING!

All these things that have been perfectly acceptable and legal since prior to the momentous day of December 15, 1791, when the Bill of Rights was ratified.

Now get derogatory labels and decried as unsafe and illegal loopholes by the leftists. Such as a citizen making a gun for their own use. Which was even "legal" to do "for sale" prior to 1968.

Saturday Night Specials, DID HENRY DERINGER need a Gov permission slip to make his pistols?

How about those awesome "Kentucky Long Rifles". Made by artisans in barns and blacksmith shops. Would the leftists of today, if transported back in time, label them as "Sniper Rifles"?

Then we get the historic background basis for Assault Weapons, and Ghost Guns.
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D.C. is about to get Dicked again...
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D.C. is about to get Dicked again...
I like it. Can see the headlines now.

Dick, Dicks, DC again!
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He was represented by Alan Gura before.
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