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Old 09-19-2020, 10:33 AM
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Default Lake City 308 Match ammo

This might not fit exactly in the C&R subforum, but I'll start here. I just picked up some 308 ammo with a head stamp of LC (date) Match with dates ranging from '68 to '72, but most are '72.

To my untrained eye they do not look like reloads, but I'm not sure so I am asking the brain trust. Pics are below but the 2 things that have me questioning whether they are original are the primers (silver in color) and the bullet which is a hollow point.

Can anyone shed some light on original or reload? Sorry for the blurry pics but I just can't get my phone camera to focus on the important stuff.

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Old 09-19-2020, 10:47 AM
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M118LR is open tip Sierra Match King Projectile.

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Old 09-19-2020, 11:20 AM
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M118LR is open tip Sierra Match King Projectile.
Question capt14k: Wasn't the M118 using the 173gr FMJBT (Full Metal Jacket Boat Tail) projectile, same as the M72 (30-06) match ammo, for 1968 through 1972?

In picture number 2, does the primer pocket have a "red" colored seal around the primer?


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Question capt14k: Wasn't the M118 using the 173gr FMJBT (Full Metal Jacket Boat Tail) projectile, same as the M72 (30-06) match ammo, for 1968 through 1972?

In picture number 2, does the primer pocket have a "red" colored seal around the primer?


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Is the primer crimped. The pic is too fuzzy to tell. Not many reloader can crimp a primer. If it’s crimped it’s factory.
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Looks like reloads. I believe they should have a brass primer, not a nickel primer.


How were they packaged? That would be a hint.
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Is the primer crimped. The pic is too fuzzy to tell. Not many reloader can crimp a primer. If itís crimped itís factory.
I don't believe LC match ammo had the crimped primer.
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I don't have Lake City Match, but I have '64 Lake City Ball M80 and 65' Frankford Arsenal Match M118. Both have brass primers, primer sealant (LC - Green, FA - Red), and both closed tip. The Lake City Ball M80 has crimped primers, the Frankford Arsenal Match M118 does not. Also, all of my LC and FA ammo look freshly annealed.

Are those extractor marks on the lip of the rim near the date? If so, then reloads for sure.

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Better pics of the primer and they looked crimped to me although this is new territory for me. There is no sealant and they came in bags although everything he had was in bags and the HXP I bought was original.





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I have some Mk 310.0 that I believe was the precursor to the LR118?

Anyway they look the same as the OP's near as I can tell, though not LC?

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Still too fuzzy to see a crimp. My LC primed brass all has brass primers too, not silver. Also, that neck on the bullet interface looks a little off.

The rounds might work. I'd try them in a cheap gun however.
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L C 72 MATCH does not have crimped primers. It does have primer lacquer.

I Have a pile of this once fired brass.
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L C 72 MATCH does not have crimped primers. It does have primer lacquer.

I Have a pile of this once fired brass.
Are the primers brass?
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Question capt14k: Wasn't the M118 using the 173gr FMJBT (Full Metal Jacket Boat Tail) projectile, same as the M72 (30-06) match ammo, for 1968 through 1972?



In picture number 2, does the primer pocket have a "red" colored seal around the primer?





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I believe so. I think the M118LR Match ammo was later. Good point.

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Are the primers brass?
Yes.

Also, 1968-1972 7.62 L C Match ammo would be the original M118 Match loaded with the 173 FMJ bullet, the same bullet as used in the M-72 30/06 Match ammo.

M852 Match ammo with the 168 Sierra HPBT wasn't made until the early 1980's. In the 1990's, M118 was changed over to the 175 Sierra HPBT.

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I’m not an expert by any means but the lack of a neck crimp screams hand load to me.
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Obviously then these weren't in a factory box so clue #1. No load data info in the secondary container is not good QC for a reloader. You could pull one and verify projectile weight, powder type and weight.
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Thanks guys and it sounds like they are reloads. The HXP I bought was what I was after so I'll put these aside for now and dissect one in the future.
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Thanks guys and it sounds like they are reloads. The HXP I bought was what I was after so I'll put these aside for now and dissect one in the future.

If you have a single stage or a turret, this is the way to go. Just be sure to order the correct collet. I use a kinetic for onesey-twosey pulling but for large batches use this:
https://ads.midwayusa.com/product/1012943183?pid=680804

Chances are that the ammo is safe to shoot but Iím not real fond of taking chances with ammo.
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Reloads. Like others have said, match ammo has brass primer (ALL primers have brass cups, then some are nickel plated) and sealant. Most, if not all, match from Uncle Sam the primers are not crimped.
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