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Old 09-28-2019, 10:20 AM
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Your question seems to assume that the NWO-- whatever that means to you-- somehow altered the trajectory of mankind in a significant way. I wonder, could that really be true?

I don't understand how that relates to other religions, unless you are suggesting that the NWO is some kind of religion in and of itself. I don't really know what you mean by NWO, so I can't speak to that directly, but I do believe that secularism is a religious faith (with a different set of values than Christianity). Whatever meaning you attach to NWO, I don't imagine you will find members of the invisible church building that kingdom, so if you agree that whatever people push the NWO are secular folk, then I can agree, it is a part of secular faith, and yes, Satan is happy to use it as well.

I have a huge amount of respect for a particular commentary on end times prophecy, and one thing that the author teaches is the significant role of a single government that rules the whole world just before tribulation. A verse he cites is Daniel 7:23, which reads:



Of course, read it in context to make sure you're getting it right. I hope that helps...

With the above comments and quotes, socialism seems to be the starting point of the single world government. Its foundation is based on lies.
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A fellow member of Christian faith shared the idea that other religions besides Christianity are basically cults. Specifically other religions divide worshipers by denouncing God and Jesus, or require an intermediary (the church or priest) instead of focusing on your direct personal relationship with Jesus. If this is true, is the devil using other religions to 'divide and conquer'?

What do you think? Have you experienced anything in your own life that supports or refutes this? Thank you for sharing.
Religion is man's search for god. Wherein the individual seeking a god or eternal reward must do something in order to attain the desired reward. Reincarnation, jihad, human sacrifice, monetary payment, repeated chants are examples of earning said favor in their religion.

Christianity is God's search for man. It is unique among all beliefs. "For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost." - Luke 19:10 (See also Genesis 3:9) Therefore, Christianity is unlike all other religions.

We know that the teaching of Moses was corrupted by men with their human traditions. Jesus said it was because of the devil. See John 8:31-47 for the complete dialog. The Pharisees had added their traditions to the commands of God. They obtained their lofty religious goals of stature and preeminence. But the bottom line is verse 44 where Jesus told the Pharisees; "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." So, yes, the devil uses religion to divide and deceive. That divide seperates people from the truth that salvation and redemption to God is only by faith in God's Son, Jesus Christ and His free gift of mercy and of grace.
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Isn't it a tad ironic that every religion claims that every other religion's god is false. Surely an all-powerful omnipotent loving god wouldn't care that someone who loves him had the misfortune to be born in the 'wrong' culture/religion/location, and then damned to suffer and not be saved just because of it. I don't think God cares.
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Isn't it a tad ironic that every religion claims that every other religion's god is false. Surely an all-powerful omnipotent loving god wouldn't care that someone who loves him had the misfortune to be born in the 'wrong' culture/religion/location, and then damned to suffer and not be saved just because of it. I don't think God cares.
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Isn't it a tad ironic that every religion claims that every other religion's god is false. Surely an all-powerful omnipotent loving god wouldn't care that someone who loves him had the misfortune to be born in the 'wrong' culture/religion/location, and then damned to suffer and not be saved just because of it. I don't think God cares.
A tad arrogant is how I would word it.

Christians claim that their way is the only way to The Father.
Everyone else is going to hell.
That includes God's "chosen people" (the Jews)

Uh-huh, uh-huh.
I don't think so.
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Fair enough. Do you think it is possible the devil is manipulating the NWO and Agenda 21?
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Isn't it a tad ironic that every religion claims that every other religion's god is false. Surely an all-powerful omnipotent loving god wouldn't care that someone who loves him had the misfortune to be born in the 'wrong' culture/religion/location, and then damned to suffer and not be saved just because of it. I don't think God cares.
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A tad arrogant is how I would word it.

Christians claim that their way is the only way to The Father.
Everyone else is going to hell.
That includes God's "chosen people" (the Jews)

Uh-huh, uh-huh.
I don't think so.
What both of you are saying, in effect, is that it is narrow for Christians to claim that there is only one way to God. But it is at least as narrow for you to say "you Christians are wrong, my opinion is right."
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A tad arrogant is how I would word it.

Christians claim that their way is the only way to The Father.
Everyone else is going to hell.
That includes God's "chosen people" (the Jews)

Uh-huh, uh-huh.
I don't think so.
^^^A common misperception that’s made from those that clearly do not understand Christianity, nor the Christian Bible.

Romans 1:14-16 (NIV)
14 I am obligated both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. 15 That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are in Rome. 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

Paul tells us in Galatians...

Galatians 3:26-29 (NIV)
26-So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heir according to the promise.

1Peter 2:9-10 (KJV)
9-But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 10-Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

(*** In the OT, Israel was called God's "chosen people." In the NT, "believers" are designated as chosen, or elect. “Royal priesthood.”)

(***In Hosea, it is Israel who is NOT God's people; in Romans it is the Gentiles to whom Paul applies Hosea's words; in 1 Peter the words are applied to both. )

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Romans 1:14-16 (NIV)
14 I am obligated both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. 15 That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are in Rome. 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
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^^^A common misperception that’s made from those that clearly do not understand Christianity, nor the Christian Bible.

Paul tells us in Galatians...

Galatians 3:26-29 (NIV)
26-So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heir according to the promise.
A common misperception?
Please explain because you seemed to have forgotten what Jesus said...
"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

It sounds to me that you have to be Christian in order to get to the Father.
Jews are not Christian.
What's not to understand?
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1 NO ONE can get to Heaven by ANY OTHER WAY, but belief in, and on Christ. You must:

Renounce your sins, and ask forgiveness.
You must FOLLOW Christ.

Yes, even Gods "Chosen" people will go to hell. Did you not KNOW, there are Jews, that DO believe in Christ? They are growing by the number by the day. Why? Because THEY know what the truth is.

Sacrificing a lamb isn't going to save you.
Praying to Mary, isn't going to save you.
Praying to "Allah", most CERTAINLY isn't going to save you.

Repent your SINS, and follow CHRIST. THAT'S what will save you.
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Since the Jews don't believe in Heaven, I wouldn't think they'd care about your opinion. They don't believe in Hell either, so...

Dogmatic methods used to divide us and hate each other is Satan's work, so if you're insisting that only your way is the right way, you're doing Satan's work.

Have a lovely day and if you could provide your future address in a particular circle of Hell, I'd appreciate it.
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A common misperception?
Please explain because you seemed to have forgotten what Jesus said...
"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

It sounds to me that you have to be Christian in order to get to the Father.
Jews are not Christian.
What's not to understand?
You didn’t read the Bible versus I posted. It explains everything. It doesn’t matter what one’s “bloodline” is. Jew, Greek, Asian, Latino, European, etc.... all that matters is believing in Christ. Believe that he died for your sins, that He is Lord, and that we (you and I,) are all sinners that need to repent. This is how we are saved.

Being Jewish or should I say.... DNA has NOTHING to do with salvation. Zero, zip, zilch!

However being a believer in Christ has EVERYTHING to do with one’s salvation from eternal hell, regardless of race, sex, nationality or DNA.

The end.
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You didn’t read the Bible versus I posted. It explains everything. It doesn’t matter what one’s “bloodline” is. Jew, Greek, Asian, Latino, European, etc.... all that matters is believing in Christ. Believe that he died for your sins, that He is Lord, and that we (you and I,) are all sinners that need to repent. This is how we are saved.

Being Jewish or should I say.... DNA has NOTHING to do with salvation. Zero, zip, zilch!

However being a believer in Christ has EVERYTHING to do with one’s salvation from eternal hell, regardless of race, sex, nationality or DNA.

The end.
The end,.....not quite.

Yes I read your Bible verses.
The issue is that if you are not a Christian, you are going to hell.
So say most Christians.
That is what you are saying.
I'm saying that I do not believe that.

Are the Jews God's chosen people? The answer is yes.
Are they Christian? The answer is no.
Are the Jews going to hell? According to Christians - yes.

That was the point.
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Christianity is God's search for man. It is unique among all beliefs. "For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost." - Luke 19:10 (See also Genesis 3:9) Therefore, Christianity is unlike all other religions.
Oh, I must find this entertaining because... Here I am again...

Christianity is NOT unique in this respect at all. The entire gnostic philosophy is based on this singular idea. There were/are gnostic jews, pagans, christians, zoroastrians, muslims, etc. Hell, isn't the entire Jewish tradition based on this idea of God saving us? He came to save humanity from sin by first coming to one family (Noah), then another (Abraham), then another (David) and then some future Messiah... Then Jesus came & figured he'd try to "save" all Jews. Then Paul came along & said, well, let's just throw everybody else in there, too. Then Constantine thought he could do it via political means. Mohammed figured out how to take it up a notch & do it in the Near & Middle East. If you ask me (admittedly, you didn't -- why would you?), it's just one botched salvation attempt after another. This doesn't even take into consideration all the non-Abrahamic faiths like Buddhism (the gnostics of the East), fertility religions & pagan traditions (Ba'al saving us from winter by rising again). We civilized folks are obsessed with the salvation narrative. It's even part of our civil religion (save us from tyranny, communism, terrorism, etc.). And why not? It's a good story.

I'll just be frank here. If God really loved humanity, he'd learn to accept it for what it is, warts and all instead of trying to make them "perfect" or "obedient." Humans don't need to be saved any more than a skunk needs to be saved. We're fine... on average. Plenty of nitwits & crazies among us, me included. But, on the whole, as designed/evolved, we're already perfectly suited for our environment. Maybe not the one we created (much of it thanks to the influences of religion, among other things) -- but the one we were given.

I'll readily concede that Christianity may be perfect and uniquely-suited FOR YOU. I'll even say that it might be uniquely-suited for a culture (with more than a few caveats). But it is not unique in its message or ideas. It borrowed extensively from just about every known religion of its time & many before. It didn't come from outer space & land on earth. It developed here on earth by people who are always limited in our scope of understanding to what we can know from our environment. The book of Genesis says the God made mankind in his image. I think the author got it completely backwards. We have always made God in OUR image. And, to the original question, that is mostly why we have so many religions dividing us.

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You didn’t read the Bible versus I posted. It explains everything. It doesn’t matter what one’s “bloodline” is. Jew, Greek, Asian, Latino, European, etc.... all that matters is believing in Christ. Believe that he died for your sins, that He is Lord, and that we (you and I,) are all sinners that need to repent. This is how we are saved.

Being Jewish or should I say.... DNA has NOTHING to do with salvation. Zero, zip, zilch!

However being a believer in Christ has EVERYTHING to do with one’s salvation from eternal hell, regardless of race, sex, nationality or DNA.

The end.
But DNA does relate to you being a christian. If you're born in Yorba Linda there's a much better chance that you'll even have a chance to hear about Christianity than if you're born in Vietnam or Pakistan, no?
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1I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, fna descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?
3“Lord, THEY HAVE KILLED YOUR PROPHETS, THEY HAVE TORN DOWN YOUR ALTARS, AND I ALONE AM LEFT, AND THEY ARE SEEKING MY LIFE.”
4But what fnis the divine response to him? “I HAVE KEPT for Myself SEVEN THOUSAND MEN WHO HAVE NOT BOWED THE KNEE TO BAAL.”
5In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God’s fngracious choice.
6But if it is by grace, it is no longer fnon the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.
7What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but fnthose who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened;
8just as it is written,
“GOD GAVE THEM A SPIRIT OF STUPOR,
EYES TO SEE NOT AND EARS TO HEAR NOT,
DOWN TO THIS VERY DAY.”
9And David says,
“LET THEIR TABLE BECOME A SNARE AND A TRAP,
AND A STUMBLING BLOCK AND A RETRIBUTION TO THEM.
10“LET THEIR EYES BE DARKENED TO SEE NOT,
AND BEND THEIR BACKS FOREVER.”
11I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous.
12Now if their transgression is riches for the world and their failure is riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their fnfulfillment be!
13But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,
14if somehow I might move to jealousy my fnfellow countrymen and save some of them.
15For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
16If the first piece of dough is holy, the lump is also; and if the root is holy, the branches are too.
17But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the fnrich root of the olive tree,
18do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.
19You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.”
20Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear;
21for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.
22Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.
23And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
24For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?
25For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;
26and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,
“THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION,
HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB.”
27“THIS IS fnMY COVENANT WITH THEM,
WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS.”
28fnFrom the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but fnfrom the standpoint of God’s choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers;
29for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
30For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience,
31so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy.
32For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.
33Oh, the depth of the riches fnboth of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways!
34For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, OR WHO BECAME HIS COUNSELOR?
35Or WHO HAS FIRST GIVEN TO HIM fnTHAT IT MIGHT BE PAID BACK TO HIM AGAIN?
36For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory fnforever. Amen.

NASB Footnotes
(11:1)
Literally: of the seed of Abraham
(11:4)
Literally: says
(11:5)
Literally: choice of grace
(11:6)
Literally: out of
(11:7)
Literally: the election
(11:12)
Or, fullness
(11:14)
Literally: flesh
(11:17)
Literally: root of the fatness
(11:27)
Literally: the covenant from Me
(11:28)
Literally: According to the gospel
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Literally: according to the election
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Or, and the wisdom
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Literally: and it will be paid back
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But DNA does relate to you being a christian. If you're born in Yorba Linda there's a much better chance that you'll even have a chance to hear about Christianity than if you're born in Vietnam or Pakistan, no?
Good question bhp1420. So, the absence of truth does not damn us, but the despising of truth damns.

Romans chapter 2. Paul explains that we have the light of conscience. God has written a knowledge of himself upon the tablet of our conscience. Jesus makes plane that if we respond to light then we will be given more light. If we reject light then God will remain shrouded in obscurity.

Paschal was right. God dwells in enough light so that if we want to find it, we will. And he dwells in enough obscurity so that if we don't want to find him, we won't. So if they respond in Hong Kong or Africa or Vietnam or anywhere else to the light of creation, and the light of conscience, then they will get further light. But if they do not then they will remain in darkness.

The way Jesus explained this to Nicodemus, and he's the ultimate authority, he said light came into darkness, men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil. So the problem wasn't not enough light, men love darkness.

Titus 2:11 (KJV)-
"For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,"

Romans teaches that God will judge people on what they know and are capable of knowing. We can know right and wrong and know there is one true God. Job did, Jethro did and many others, some more not directly and indirectly. All can instinctively know his moral code and know they have sinned, as Paul writes they are "without excuse." Because we are made in His image and have a moral likeness built in.

Jeremiah 29
-I love those that seek me and find me.

The “Light” is there for everyone to apprehend if they will listen. All men are given the light to find it themselves.

Proverbs 8:17 (NASB)
“I love those who love me; And those who diligently seek me will find me.

Jeremiah 29:13 (NKJV)
-And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart.
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