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Old 03-12-2020, 4:32 PM
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I suspect that most of the high-volume-capable medication manufacturers who would make test kits and any possible vaccine or treatments are located in China these days.
Who do you think is going to get the most, get it first and decide who else gets it?
You suspect wrong. Major pharma companies manufacture products all over the world, cheap labor doesn't dominate in a landscape where high tech, extreme attention to detail and perfect clean rooms are prerequisites to a viable final product.
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Just heard that one of the medications being used in China to fight covid-19 is good old thalidomide. Eek!
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Just heard that one of the medications being used in China to fight covid-19 is good old thalidomide. Eek!
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At 10k a day (they are over that now) we’d still be over 1/6 less testing per capita than SK.

Meanwhile Senegal can flip a test in 4 hours supposedly and are working for a quick field test kit with the U.K.

Again, here in the states it has always been different. I can call my dermatologist and tell her that "my rash is back, can you re-prescribe my RX for that" and she would tell me, " No, you have to come in so I can properly diagnose you." It is the same for tests and has been that way since I can remember. We may get to the point where they will allow triage over the phone to send you to a testing location but our medical system is not set up for that. It is really a simple thing to understand.
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Again, here in the states it has always been different. I can call my dermatologist and tell her that "my rash is back, can you re-prescribe my RX for that" and she would tell me, " No, you have to come in so I can properly diagnose you." It is the same for tests and has been that way since I can remember. We may get to the point where they will allow triage over the phone to send you to a testing location but our medical system is not set up for that. It is really a simple thing to understand.
People are going to the doctor, the doctors may think it is COVID 19 but have to eliminate everything else first and then request a test. There is still a big barrier to testing because of that.
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On testing, CDC hasn’t updated their page today despite saying they would do so at noon (yesterday it was 9am here so I took that to mean noon E.T.) . They should really be on top of this stuff since it is their public face and clearly the public wants info.

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But the media will say, 'Almost 30% of the patients are in deep doo-doo.'

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Diagnostic tests are not made by pharma companies. They are treated as a subset of medical devices.
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Again, here in the states it has always been different. I can call my dermatologist and tell her that "my rash is back, can you re-prescribe my RX for that" and she would tell me, " No, you have to come in so I can properly diagnose you." It is the same for tests and has been that way since I can remember. We may get to the point where they will allow triage over the phone to send you to a testing location but our medical system is not set up for that. It is really a simple thing to understand.
If you have a history with your MD - it happens all the time. I have KAISER and a problem with bacterial stomach infections - I've got antibiotics 3 times via a phone consultation.

If this keeps growing I can diffidently see them having a kit like for colon cancer - that you do at home and send in to lab.
For that 1 pt that was shuffled between 2 hospital before being tested required quarantining 186 health care workers

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If you have a history with your MD - it happens all the time. I have KAISER and a problem with bacterial stomach infections - I've got antibiotics 3 times via a phone consultation.

If this keeps growing I can diffidently see them having a kit like for colon cancer - that you do at home and send in to lab.
For that 1 pt that was shuffled between 2 hospital before being tested required quarantining 186 health care workers

None of my Docs have ever prescribed anything without seeing me. They will renew but at a point they still need to see me before renewing again - usually once per year for my cholesterol and BP medicines. Kaiser may do things differently but they have never been known for the best quality care. They have been known for pioneering ways to cut costs in medical care and they have been known to implement new procedures that save money as well. They have also had to dealt with failures because of their propensity to adapt new procedures before they are completely vetted. Just something I have heard from other docs.
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People are going to the doctor, the doctors may think it is COVID 19 but have to eliminate everything else first and then request a test. There is still a big barrier to testing because of that.
Not according to what I have read. The UC Med System seems to have implemented their own testing program, without waiting for some sort of direction from a federal agency.
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"Just something I have heard from other docs"

Well since you have no personal experience with them - I ll go with my impressions

If your referring to the colon tests - thats a nationally accepted practice.
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You suspect wrong. Major pharma companies manufacture products all over the world, cheap labor doesn't dominate in a landscape where high tech, extreme attention to detail and perfect clean rooms are prerequisites to a viable final product.
Just like Chinese Clean rooms making semiconductors and solar panels.
Pharms use machines to manufacture drugs not cheap labor. Same can and must be done in the USA.
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If you have a history with your MD - it happens all the time. I have KAISER and a problem with bacterial stomach infections - I've got antibiotics 3 times via a phone consultation.
Same here, except it was Prednisone for systemic allergy from poison oak.

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Tonic Water with Quinine

Some people have reported that quinine is effective against Corona, MERS, SARS viruses and said there has been run on tonic water at stores in some places. Many other sites on the internet are disputing that tonic water with quinine has a high enough dose to have any effect.

Here is some additional analysis that there might be something to it. Quinine is more popular as a beverage in India than anywhere else in the world. It is an acquired taste and they came to depend on it as a defense against malaria but it remains popular in India in particular. Now go look at the world status and the peculiar low number of Corona cases in India despite having the very largest population.

So my theory is that since they drink quinine across India it has built up a defensive posture where the virus can't Thrive because of the higher levels of quinine in Indians.

I've been a drinker of quinine myself for years and it's my preferred beverage on the airplane. They actually have it as one of the beverage options. So I decided to stockpile some more in case there is something to it. Drinking one tonic probably isn't enough, but if you have a tonic everyday you might be getting somewhere to have a defensive level to slow down the virus in your body
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Today South Korea had more people discharged than new cases, I believe that is the first time that has happened. They really have a good handle where they are at with all the testing. I’d bet the ability to catch the cases early also helped dropped the mortality rate.
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Tonic Water with Quinine

Some people have reported that quinine is effective against Corona, MERS, SARS viruses and said there has been run on tonic water at stores in some places. Many other sites on the internet are disputing that tonic water with quinine has a high enough dose to have any effect.

Here is some additional analysis that there might be something to it. Quinine is more popular as a beverage in India than anywhere else in the world. It is an acquired taste and they came to depend on it as a defense against malaria but it remains popular in India in particular. Now go look at the world status and the peculiar low number of Corona cases in India despite having the very largest population.

So my theory is that since they drink quinine across India it has built up a defensive posture where the virus can't Thrive because of the higher levels of quinine in Indians.

I've been a drinker of quinine myself for years and it's my preferred beverage on the airplane. They actually have it as one of the beverage options. So I decided to stockpile some more in case there is something to it. Drinking one tonic probably isn't enough, but if you have a tonic everyday you might be getting somewhere to have a defensive level to slow down the virus in your body
Me too but is an acquired taste
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Tonic Water with Quinine

Some people have reported that quinine is effective against Corona, MERS, SARS viruses and said there has been run on tonic water at stores in some places. Many other sites on the internet are disputing that tonic water with quinine has a high enough dose to have any effect.

Here is some additional analysis that there might be something to it. Quinine is more popular as a beverage in India than anywhere else in the world. It is an acquired taste and they came to depend on it as a defense against malaria but it remains popular in India in particular. Now go look at the world status and the peculiar low number of Corona cases in India despite having the very largest population.

So my theory is that since they drink quinine across India it has built up a defensive posture where the virus can't Thrive because of the higher levels of quinine in Indians.

I've been a drinker of quinine myself for years and it's my preferred beverage on the airplane. They actually have it as one of the beverage options. So I decided to stockpile some more in case there is something to it. Drinking one tonic probably isn't enough, but if you have a tonic everyday you might be getting somewhere to have a defensive level to slow down the virus in your body
Indians also use ALOT of various spices in their food which are known to kill bacteria....it’s probably a hostile environment for viruses..

I love quinine as well, ever since I was a kid...
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Forsythia might be quercetin in our case... if you can't get ahold of chloroquine
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Anyone fooling around with either quinine or Chloroquine would be wise to first consult with a physician regarding their effect on prolonging the heart's QT interval. This includes a glass of quinine. Hint: prolonged QT interval and sudden death.
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Anyone fooling around with either quinine or Chloroquine would be wise to first consult with a physician regarding their effect on prolonging the heart's QT interval. This includes a glass of quinine. Hint: prolonged QT interval and sudden death.
Oh, for sure. I'm definitely not advocating for anyone to go off-list with either. They're prescription-only for a very good reason. I'm just mentioning that someone in a very bad spot might be getting a little, supervised, from their attending doctor.
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Same here, except it was Prednisone for systemic allergy from poison oak.

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Same here. What a pleasant experience. I am currently in a war with poison oak on my property. I got some "brush killer" and Tyvek suits before the panic. So far I'm winning this battle!

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Forsythia might be quercetin in our case... if you can't get ahold of chloroquine


Wait, it’s real? I thought it was some made up remedy in that movie, Contagion? Lol!
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On average, survivors still had the virus in their respiratory system for about 20 days and could presumably continue to spread the disease, researchers found.
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Talking to a guy here at work... his mother works for a local bio pharmaceutical research company. Well, that company was bought by a Chinese company that is based in... you guessed it... Wuhan. Apparently when that happened they had to lock down all of their local servers and move everything out that the Chinese weren't allowed to have access to, even though they now own the company. Didn't elaborate of course but I found that pretty fascinating.
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"Just something I have heard from other docs"

Well since you have no personal experience with them - I ll go with my impressions

If your referring to the colon tests - thats a nationally accepted practice.
You took that out of context. Kaiser would implement new procedures quickly if they saved money - laparoscopy is one that comes to mind. Since it was a new procedure they did have issues with complications. The doc I spoke about this said that once they got it down they were very good at it, however.

Those fecal sample tests for colon cancer screening are much less accurate than a colonoscopy and doesn't detect polyps. I have read that if you were going to use it in lieu of a colonoscopy then you should take it annually.
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Talking to a guy here at work... his mother works for a local bio pharmaceutical research company. Well, that company was bought by a Chinese company that is based in... you guessed it... Wuhan. Apparently when that happened they had to lock down all of their local servers and move everything out that the Chinese weren't allowed to have access to, even though they now own the company. Didn't elaborate of course but I found that pretty fascinating.
I used to work for a company that provides imaging services (MRI, CT, PET, Litho)... They were privately held then went public, then private (a few times)...

Currently owned by Chinese investors.

China probably controls much of our health industry.
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We need to start calling this the Wuhan Flu, there's been 18 earlier strains and Corona Beer is being hurt in sales to some really dumb people. Besudes, it bugs the ChiComs when Americans call it the Wuhan virus.
Call it the boomer remover
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