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Old 09-14-2020, 5:41 PM
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New - NIB - Unfired all mean it's perfect and hasn't been fired since it left the factory.
Like new or 100% means it's been fired but has no flaws and includes all the fatory goodies.
95% etc are an NRA rating scale for describing used firearms.
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Youíre obviously not listening.
1. Like new never been fired mint.
2. Used in great condition or whatever condition is and a round count if known, if not then mention it. Iím assuming could list flaws if applicable and or missing parts/pieces.
No, you're not listening. Read the definition of "like" below.

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simile
/ˈsiməlē/

noun
a figure of speech involving the comparison of one thing with another thing of a different kind, used to make a description more emphatic or vivid (e.g., as brave as a lion, crazy like a fox ).

When someone says, "Jim is crazy like a fox", they're not saying Jim is an actual fox. When an ad says, "like new", they're not saying it's new.
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Don’t believe the round count, I do not know any person that has counted how many rounds they've fired.
I keep a pretty good count. It helps me keep track of my ammo inventory for starters. I also have a maintenance / cleaning / mods database and the rounds fired are logged there after every range session. If you have more than a few guns, it's the only way to keep track of when a certain gun was last fired or oiled or inspected, what upgrades or service has been done, at what expense etc.
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I keep a pretty good count. It helps me keep track of my ammo inventory for starters. I also have a maintenance / cleaning / mods database and the rounds fired are logged there after every range session. If you have more than a few guns, it's the only way to keep track of when a certain gun was last fired or oiled or inspected, what upgrades or service has been done, at what expense etc.
I also keep a memo binder with all rounds fired, mostly for reasons listed above. But more importantly letís stay on topic, is it like new or just plain old used in box? We have to get to the bottom of this. Thereís definitely some animosity between some of the members which is disheartening.
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Say OP, you should ask this guy what 'like new' means:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1646543


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Wow seven pages or 125 posts of people discussing this just shows people have way too much time on their hands.
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Wow seven pages or 125 posts of people discussing this just shows people have way too much time on their hands.
More people staying at home leaves a lot of time. Probably how this whole thing started

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Wow seven pages or 125 posts of people discussing this just shows people have way too much time on their hands.
Still on the 4th page. Classic site bro
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Beautiful guns!!!! Well you should have one you can shoot, 1993 S&W .357. it will be in the "For Sale" section shortly, "Like New!!! (just kidding, I don't know what it means either, I do know it just sets in the safe collecting dust)



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Old 09-14-2020, 7:16 PM
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Beautiful guns!!!! Well you should have one you can shoot, 1993 S&W .357. it will be in the "For Sale" section shortly, "Like New!!! (just kidding, I don't know what it means either, I do know it just sets in the safe collecting dust)



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Beautiful revolver!

And I agree. We should have one we can shoot. I take this one to the range when I feel for .357 revolver.




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isn't that just like "new, never been fired".....so how do you know if it works if it hasn't been fired? lol, just saying...
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Say OP, you should ask this guy what 'like new' means:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1646543

So did OP go from asking the question to justifying using the same verbiage.
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Wow seven pages or 125 posts of people discussing this just shows people have way too much time on their hands.
And yet here you are contributing to this madness.
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Old 09-14-2020, 11:26 PM
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If you had to sit thru hundreds of classroom hours in sensitivity training listening to instructors talking out of
both sides of their mouths in the name of Emotional Intelligence, you too would find it perfectly acceptable to
label a shot-out old clunker POS handgun as NIB.
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Old 09-15-2020, 6:00 AM
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Just like a lot of firearms are test fired before leaving the factory. You obviously canít do anything about that. come on man 200,300,400,500,600 rounds fired. Where are we drawing the line? Donít see a reasonable logic here. It seems like an endless number. Lol
Sounds like no one is going to convince you otherwise here. If you have a used car with 3000 miles on it can you advertise it as "like new"? How about 20,000? How about if that car with 20,000 miles on it is 10 or 20 years old and has been sitting in someone's garage under cover, can it be advertised as "like new" if it is in fact like new other than relatively low miles? How about a 2 year old Honda with 10,000 miles? What if it were a 2 year old Lamborghini with 10,000, is that "like new"? As you said, where do we draw the line?

500 rounds down the pipe for a gun is barely breaking it in. Most guns are going to shoot thousands of rounds before you have any part wearing out. If there was a glock that someone took to the range 3 times, shot a few hundred rounds, cleaned it and oiled, then it sat in the safe, never holstered, no marks, etc, yeah, "Like new" other than a rounds through it. Would it make a difference if it were a 2 month old Gen 5 Glock or how about a 35 year old Gen 1 that sat in a safe or closet somewhere?
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I don’t get the obsession with super low round counts, to me any well cared for gun with under 5000 rounds fired is pretty much in ‘like new condition’ and 5000 to 10,000 just means it’s well broke in, I’m talking mostly handguns.

Everyone wants to buy a gun with less then two hundred rounds fired, doesn’t anyone shoot any more or are they all lying. If a gun has two hundred rounds or two thousand rounds fired makes absolutely no difference to me if I’m thinking about buying it.
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I donít get why people post like new for a gun thatís been fired? My understanding is like new is a gun that hasnít been fired and or basically straight from the factory and not fired after. Some people post only 500 rounds still like new. Why canít you post used in great condition? To me itís like saying you have a like new car thatís been driven 20k miles, or a like new t shirt thatís been worn 3 times. I donít get it.

Thoughts on this?

Same reason a person says a used car that is still in extremely good condition is "Showroom Condition."

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Old 09-15-2020, 7:29 AM
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Beautiful revolver!

And I agree. We should have one we can shoot. I take this one to the range when I feel for .357 revolver.




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Beautiful, & a shooter it is. I hope you also have a CZ for the range, Great minds think alike, not as pretty as yours but a shooter it is!!

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I donít get these kinds of stupid threads.
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Its pretty simple. A new gun would have never been dros'd while a like new gun has been dros'd and perhaps test fired by the owner. I would think under 200rds would qualify and anything over that would be considered excellent condition.
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Because gun owners, like fisherman and hunters lie like rugs. Millennials lie more than boomers because they have no religious upbringing to tell them otherwise. Democrats lie more than republicans so as we get more of them owning guns, theyíll lie even more. Men lie more than women but women are catching on and lying more too. In short - thatís why I buy new guns mostly because I donít trust anyone who I havenít know at least a decade, not to lie to me.
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Beautiful, & a shooter it is. I hope you also have a CZ for the range, Great minds think alike, not as pretty as yours but a shooter it is!!


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Coin collecting has well defined terms for condition. I don't believe the word "like" is in any of them.
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So did OP go from asking the question to justifying using the same verbiage.
No.
He used the verbiage and then later asked the question how people can justify using the verbiage.
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I just replaced some springs, it’s like new again
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Cool man. You must have some nice stuff. 😃
Been buying guns to shoot for 50 years and I got a few from my dad .
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Donít believe the round count, I do not know any person that has counted how many rounds they've fired.
It's the personality type. There are guns I have literally bought and shot one round through. Either FFL'd at a range or a duplicate of what I already owned.

I know how many bars of soap and unpackaged toothbrushes I have, how many cases of water I have. I don't actually try to remember these things. I really don't.
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My first real full-time job as a youngster was working 6 days a week solo at a second-hand book store. Aka a "Used books" store.

People would bring in boxes of books and I'd determine if the owner would be okay with me buying them.

THEN I'd have to evaluate each one as either:

FINE
NEAR FINE
VERY GOOD
GOOD
FAIR
POOR
COLLECTIBLE

and price accordingly.

So if you held a brand new book and read a few sentences from page 117 and the last page of the book, then put it back on the shelf is it now used?
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I remember an add for a rearsenaled, beat up Mosin that the seller was advertising as "unfired". I called him on it and he stated that it was, in fact, "unfired" by him.
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"like new" sure beats "like old"
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Again, a couple of beauties!! & they shoot so nice!! No, mine is as I bought it. The last few years my interest has been in rimfire (.22) & have a couple of CZ's to fill that nitch. The CZ 75 gets plenty of range time, it makes me look a little better than i am.

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Like new - low round count - $three-fiddy...
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Why call a used gun "as new"? Because it is like new; except that they fired a box of ammo through it. If it were unfired by the first purchaser, then it would be "new". If it were unfired by all subsequent purchasers it would be a safe queen of dubious virtue.

Gun shops that have ranges adjacent may sometimes have "new" guns in stock with a lot of brass smear on the breechface, and shiny areas on the mating surfaces. If you ask, those guns were subjected to "extended random testing at the manufacturer"...

The reason the original purchaser is selling a gun is more important than if they shot it or not. Perhaps it jams and they are dumping it. Else, a gun with 1000 rounds through it probably runs OK, contingent on field stripping to examine the internals for odd wear or peening.
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Like new is like new! I've owned a number of guns over the decades that I bought just because I wanted to---maybe shot 100-150 rds over the years---not a mark or ding or scratch or rust---looks exactly like new, just been shot a little, cleaned and oiled and put away---I'm not claiming it IS new, just it appears like new---I don't have any problem with describing a gun like this and I believe most people understand what I'm saying... Buyers of my "like new" guns always remark how clean and perfect looking my guns are---if they're not like new, I would further describe their condition in detail to the prospective buyer!
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Similar thing to "relic'ing" in the guitar world. Aging from the factory to make it look/feel more played in, but when it comes time to sell it can you still say it's mint? How do you know which dings are from the factory or which are ones you added yourself.

I'd say like new should be no mags through it because then it's actually as if it was new, however a mag or two through the gun would be ok in my book too.
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