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View Poll Results: With the latest 1/22/2022 Front Sight Restructuring, are you going to:
Stay on as a member and pay all the new fees 6 4.08%
Let my membership lapse and do nothing else. 67 45.58%
Join a class action lawsuit against Front Sight 62 42.18%
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It’s obvious that IP, and the new entity, are the same.
I brought that up on page 34.....

But members here shot me down.
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I brought that up on page 34.....

But members here shot me down.
I don’t think they’re the same identity. PF declared that in court documents by penalty of perjury. I think IP knew from the beginning his FS scheme isn’t sustainable and had an exit plan in mind. I think he did some back room deal with PF to help them acquire it. You don’t pay someone $7m for consulting advice.
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I don’t think they’re the same identity. PF declared that in court documents by penalty of perjury. I think IP knew from the beginning his FS scheme isn’t sustainable and had an exit plan in mind. I think he did some back room deal with PF to help them acquire it. You don’t pay someone $7m for consulting advice.
If you honestly think PI isn't connected to PF.......

"Nobody would ever lie in court for financial gain!"

People are either stupid or delusional.
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I don’t think they’re the same identity. PF declared that in court documents by penalty of perjury. I think IP knew from the beginning his FS scheme isn’t sustainable and had an exit plan in mind. I think he did some back room deal with PF to help them acquire it. You don’t pay someone $7m for consulting advice.

Enjoyed FS training and IP was the force behind it. Only him and his wife know how much he's siphoned off and/or paid himself. The stalking horse new entity doesn't look of any value to FS members. Given the suspicious consulting arrangement, I wouldn't be surprised that the bankruptcy implodes and LVDC gets the land and a bunch of ranges. Good riddance.


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Been to FS like 6 times. Enjoyed it a lot. Except the last time. Took the Advance Tactical Handgun course .. One of the instructors berated some of so and we just left part way the first day Haven't been back since. Thought with Covid going away going back to FS was in my future. But with all the scams Iggy has done and now this, probably not. Taking a OSPEC class next month in CA with some Sig instructors including, Bruce Gray. Pricey for sure. But I can drive to the site every day just like staying in LV and driving to FS. But don't have the travel top and back home, days off from work and all that LV expenses. Hope this whole thing works out and we can go back to FS again and enjoy what we all have experienced in the past. Except the hundred emails a day asking for money.
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Been to FS like 6 times. Enjoyed it a lot. Except the last time. Took the Advance Tactical Handgun course .. One of the instructors berated some of so and we just left part way the first day Haven't been back since. Thought with Covid going away going back to FS was in my future. But with all the scams Iggy has done and now this, probably not. Taking a OSPEC class next month in CA with some Sig instructors including, Bruce Gray. Pricey for sure. But I can drive to the site every day just like staying in LV and driving to FS. But don't have the travel top and back home, days off from work and all that LV expenses. Hope this whole thing works out and we can go back to FS again and enjoy what we all have experienced in the past. Except the hundred emails a day asking for money.
Wow, that was one of the best parts of FS. The Staff was always professional and informative.

Either the staff have been replaced with lower quality persons or PF is having a instructor problem.
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Hard to believe FS is coming to an end! Thinking of all the years going there. It was a tradition in our family. How events were booked around going there, vacation days, meeting friends there and meeting new friends too. Budgeting for the trips.
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Wow, that was one of the best parts of FS. The Staff was always professional and informative.

Either the staff have been replaced with lower quality persons or PF is having a instructor problem.
Prairie Fire hasn't brought on their Staff yet. You won't see it until January 2023.
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Prairie Fire hasn't brought on their Staff yet. You won't see it until January 2023.
Okay, too bad someone had a bad experience with an instructor.

I won't ever see PF staff.....unfortunately Dr. P screwed that up for me.
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I will miss FS as well. My son and I decided to take one more class as a final salute to the many good times we have experienced together. Looking forward to laying in the dirt one last time for a Precision Rifle skill builder.
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Are they actually doing classes currently?
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Are they actually doing classes currently?
Yes, there's still a few happening. I was there a couple weeks ago. Honestly it's the best time ever to be there. The only staff left is pretty diehard and putting on excellent classes as usual. Class sizes are very small. I did 2D PRSB and there were 4 students total. All the students were diehards as well and there were no clowns, all excellent shooters and safety was a non-issue the entire time. Lots of instructor attention and help improving.

There's also a strong air of nostalgia there, all the students and instructors know that it's near the very end and there's some extra camaraderie among everyone there.
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Well just for an update on the Front Sight issue. The Lawyer for the Unsecured Committee Objected to Dr. Piazza extracting $41,000,000. from 2012-2020.

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Well just for an update on the Front Sight issue. The Lawyer for the Unsecured Committee Objected to Dr. Piazza extracting $41,000,000. from 2012-2020.

Yeah I think we could have done something better with the Money.
Yeah, that's serious change. Major issue.
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Yes, there's still a few happening. I was there a couple weeks ago. Honestly it's the best time ever to be there. The only staff left is pretty diehard and putting on excellent classes as usual. Class sizes are very small. I did 2D PRSB and there were 4 students total. All the students were diehards as well and there were no clowns, all excellent shooters and safety was a non-issue the entire time. Lots of instructor attention and help improving.

There's also a strong air of nostalgia there, all the students and instructors know that it's near the very end and there's some extra camaraderie among everyone there.
Glad to hear that.
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Pursuant to Federal Rules of Bankruptcy Procedure 7030 and 9014(c), the Official Committee of Unsecured Creditors for the bankruptcy estate of Front Sight Management LLC (the “Committee”), will conduct the deposition of Ignatius A. Piazza (the “Deponent”) on November 11, 2022, at the hour of 9:00 a.m. PST., via [zoom video conference.] On the date and time set for the examination, please use the following information to join:


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No. The phone call was cancelled and AP & attorneys changed the deposition to be "confidential" and only accessible to attorney (and sealed).


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The Re-Organization Plan was ACCEPTED by the Unsecured Creditors by a margin of 59% (ACCEPTED) to 41% (REJECTED).

It was also ACCEPTED by SECURED Creditors LVDF, M2 EPC, and Morales Construction.

It was REJECTED by Michael Meacher/Bankgroup Financial Services.
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The Re-Organization Plan was ACCEPTED by the Unsecured Creditors by a margin of 59% (ACCEPTED) to 41% (REJECTED).

It was also ACCEPTED by SECURED Creditors LVDF, M2 EPC, and Morales Construction.

It was REJECTED by Michael Meacher/Bankgroup Financial Services.

So what dies that mean
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The judge will have this information when he rules on accepting the plan or not at the hearing coming up this week
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Sad to see this all come to an end.
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That is sad to see met some really great range masters that helped me really improve. The staff there were awesome. The memories with my son are the best part.
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Sad to see this all come to an end.
We will miss it too.
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BANKRUPTCY COURT APPROVES PRAIRIEFIRE'S ACQUISITION OF FRONT SIGHT

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BANKRUPTCY COURT APPROVES PRAIRIEFIRE'S ACQUISITION OF FRONT SIGHT

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Let's just hope that the lack of Frontsight support (from previous FS members) doesn't cause Pahrump to dry up and blow away in the wind.
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Let's just hope that the lack of Frontsight support (from previous FS members) doesn't cause Pahrump to dry up and blow away in the wind.
Some businesses will be hit harder than others. For instance, when we are having dinner at El Jefe‘s, I estimate that at least 30% if not more of the customers, are Front Sighters. At RV Wine Ridge, we almost always see fellow Front Sighters as well. On the other hand, places like Terrible‘s wouldn’t be affected as much, as most of the clientele are locals.

The town itself probably would not dry up and blow away in the wind, as it is a bedroom community for Las Vegas businesses employees.
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So, rumors have it that Craig Bishop passed away? RIP
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Some businesses will be hit harder than others. For instance, when we are having dinner at El Jefe‘s, I estimate that at least 30% if not more of the customers, are Front Sighters. At RV Wine Ridge, we almost always see fellow Front Sighters as well. On the other hand, places like Terrible‘s wouldn’t be affected as much, as most of the clientele are locals.

The town itself probably would not dry up and blow away in the wind, as it is a bedroom community for Las Vegas businesses employees.
The biggest factor affecting El Jefe's business is the awful food.
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The biggest factor affecting El Jefe's business is the awful food.
I've had one meal at El Jefe's...got through half of it and left.

The crappiest try at Mexican food I've ever eaten or seen.
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For those of us NOT on Facebook....

What does it say?

I took many classes with Craig over the years. Outstanding instructor...

Years ago when my wife was feeling a bit overwhelmed during a class, Craig told her that the next time an instructor approached her, she could just say: "I'm as good as I want to be right now..", and they would leave her alone.....for a little while at least
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looking at the profile, I don't see any posts about Bishop being gone.
what am I missing here.
I remember seeing Craig Bishop out on property, I was still just a student at the time but always heard good things about his teaching style.
By the time I joined the staff he had left and come out as Crissie, never had her in a class though.
Hope she's okay.
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looking at the profile, I don't see any posts about Bishop being gone.
what am I missing here.
I remember seeing Craig Bishop out on property, I was still just a student at the time but always heard good things about his teaching style.
By the time I joined the staff he had left and come out as Crissie, never had her in a class though.
Hope she's okay.
Please excuse me for being late to this party; I’m curious as to your resume for the position of staff, and what prior career experience you may possess for the position?
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