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Old 10-08-2019, 9:50 AM
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So the search for a good deal on an M1A continues. Looking on the interwebs, there are lots of options. However, there's the issue of the flash hider/muzzle brake.

I know that, in new production, a rifle can't have a flash hider/suppressor, but a muzzle brake is ok. Is this the case for used rifles? Is it a "manufactured before" date? If so, what's that date?

Other stuff I should know? (Obviously max 10-round mags.)
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Even used rifles must comply with assault weapon laws to be transferred or imported. Grandfathering only applies to possession by people who registered them before the relevant deadlines. Those cannot be transferred.
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Springfield Armory has been selling M1As into CA with this device for years - that's how the guns remain featureless, so long as one retains the usual stock.
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Got it. So I'm likely to only be able to find a CA-legal M1A from a California seller and/or new.

Is there a good place to go to understand exactly what the legal differences are?
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Easiest way to determined legality...what is the description of the device? Muzzle brake or flash suppressor? If the description states "muzzle brake," retain a copy for your records and to support your case. This isn't fool proof, but it's a start?

Technical aspects of the two...
flash suppressors have an exit diameter larger than the bullet
muzzle brakes will have an exit diameter about equal to the bullet.

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I like the SMITH ENT MB , the US COAST GUARD uses this one

not sure if it's CA legal?

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1004722041

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I made the switch from suppressor to brake way back then, and can say there's really no performance degradation with the SA style muzzle brake.
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I like the SMITH ENT MB , the US COAST GUARD uses this one

not sure if it's CA legal?

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Have the same type on my M14; definitely helps with follow up shots and mitigating muzzle hop if shooting off a bench.
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Got it. So I'm likely to only be able to find a CA-legal M1A from a California seller and/or new.

Is there a good place to go to understand exactly what the legal differences are?
If you can have a seller agree to REMOVE the flash hider before shipping, it can be imported. The flash hider can even be sent in the box with the rifle as long as it is not attached. Otherwise you can have a rifle sent to Audiophil in Az who will remove the hider and ship the rifle into CA.

You do not have to buy one already CA legal - you just have to make sure the flash hider is removed before it crosses the border.
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So the search for a good deal on an M1A continues. Looking on the interwebs, there are lots of options. However, there's the issue of the flash hider/muzzle brake.

I know that, in new production, a rifle can't have a flash hider/suppressor, but a muzzle brake is ok. Is this the case for used rifles? Is it a "manufactured before" date? If so, what's that date?

Other stuff I should know? (Obviously max 10-round mags.)
If you already have +10 round magazines there's no legal reason to not use them on the conventionally configured M1A.

It's kind of interesting, the "we have to use it" context of a brake on the M1A. I was in OR a few weeks ago using a "for real" M14 and the owner had the Springfield brake on it. Not because he had to, OR is still very good on guns (for now) but because it helped on full auto. Which, having used the M14 with FH several decades ago - it really didn't a whole lot. But he thought it helped, it was neat and so he switched out the FH for it.
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I like the SMITH ENT MB , the US COAST GUARD uses this one

not sure if it's CA legal?

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1004722041

Definitely the way to go. I have one for my M1 Garand and my Ruger Scout.

These things actually work and cut down the recoil noticeably.

Plus they make the gun legal.

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If you can have a seller agree to REMOVE the flash hider before shipping, it can be imported. The flash hider can even be sent in the box with the rifle as long as it is not attached. Otherwise you can have a rifle sent to Audiophil in Az who will remove the hider and ship the rifle into CA.

You do not have to buy one already CA legal - you just have to make sure the flash hider is removed before it crosses the border.
If you buy one this way, make darn sure the seller DOES include the flash hider in the box, because the front sight is mounted on it.
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If you already have +10 round magazines there's no legal reason to not use them on the conventionally configured M1A.

It's kind of interesting, the "we have to use it" context of a brake on the M1A. I was in OR a few weeks ago using a "for real" M14 and the owner had the Springfield brake on it. Not because he had to, OR is still very good on guns (for now) but because it helped on full auto. Which, having used the M14 with FH several decades ago - it really didn't a whole lot. But he thought it helped, it was neat and so he switched out the FH for it.
Supposedly the tri-compensator on the Beretta BM-59 is effective. Bunk, it's still ridiculously uncontrollable in full-auto.
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Springfield Armory has been selling M1As into CA with this device for years - that's how the guns remain featureless, so long as one retains the usual stock.
Somebody should tell Midway not to advertise it as a "California Legal Flash Hider" in the header. That's a bit of a contradiction. They identify it correctly as a brake further down, but still. I think someone there goofed.
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I like the SMITH ENT MB , the US COAST GUARD uses this one

not sure if it's CA legal?

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1004722041

It's what LRB was using for their M-14 when I was living in Cali, I bought one back then and it was legal then. It will help you recover faster from the recoil and that helps re-acquire the target faster than a standard military flash hider I have shot both.
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Some vendors I've bought from have been willing to remove the evil features before shipping to CA. If you find a rifle you want, reach out before buying to ask if that's something they'd be willing to do for you
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If you get an adapter you can use any standard 5/8-24 threaded muzzle device you want.




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I suggest you start your search here in the "for sale long guns" section.

For some reason M1As is one of the most offered for sale rifles, so save some $ on one already in CA.
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Paul dat is some nice wood., its how mine should look. You have great taste
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Thanks. It's Fulton Armory "select" and I finished it myself.
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I took a picture of the Muzzle Brake on several M1A's at a Gun Shop today and they all were CA legal from the factory.

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I took a picture of the Muzzle Brake on several M1A's at a Gun Shop today and they all were CA legal from the factory.

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So the search for a good deal on an M1A continues.
Best deals i heard of were the Turners deal where they were selling loaded stainless walnuts for $1300. NUTZ.

AND... consigned used ones that hardly got shot for $1100 PPT. If it aiin't $1100... offer them $1100.
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There has been an M1A 16” model in the classifieds here for a steal of a price, $1150, and I would buy it but I am trying to downsize my collection.
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Got it. So I'm likely to only be able to find a CA-legal M1A from a California seller and/or new.
You can walk into pretty much any gun store in the state and buy a brand new California legal M1A.
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Tombstone Tactical and Buds have the CA and MA models.
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There has been an M1A 16” model in the classifieds here for a steal of a price, $1150, and I would buy it but I am trying to downsize my collection.
The 16's are so handy, IMHO.
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Technical aspects of the two...
flash suppressors have an exit diameter larger than the bullet
muzzle brakes will have an exit diameter about equal to the bullet.
Thanks for that info, I learned something today.
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I put one of those Springfield muzzle brakes on a short barreled(18 1/2") M14S that I put together, and took it off after 5 shots. It was loud even with the hearing protection I had on. I use ear plugs and ear muffs.
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I put one of those Springfield muzzle brakes on a short barreled(18 1/2") M14S that I put together, and took it off after 5 shots. It was loud even with the hearing protection I had on. I use ear plugs and ear muffs.
They're also useless as a brake. That's why they're allowed in service rifle matches.
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