LE and selling off-Roster handguns

[9Cal_OC]

Originally Posted by Yogi5811

Has there been any update to LEO’s doing PPT of an off roster to non LEO? I attempted to do a PPT yesterday but the FFL said he wasn’t able to do it since the other party wasn’t LEO. I have some other off rosters that was I considering to sell or trade but want to know if I will be able to. The pistol was purchase by my LEO exemption in 2018 and I believe I fall under category 1 being employed as a police officer for a federal agency.

Who’s the FFL?

Some like SW won’t do them anymore regardless of what tier you are in; only LEO to LEO.

[Rogue187]

Originally Posted by Yogi5811

Has there been any update to LEO’s doing PPT of an off roster to non LEO? I attempted to do a PPT yesterday but the FFL said he wasn’t able to do it since the other party wasn’t LEO. I have some other off rosters that was I considering to sell or trade but want to know if I will be able to. The pistol was purchase by my LEO exemption in 2018 and I believe I fall under category 1 being employed as a police officer for a federal agency.

You should name the FFL so another LEO won't make the mistake of going to that shop and wasting time.
Some shops are ignorant of the differences in the Tier's but it also doesn't help that they are getting misinformation from DOJ.

[Yogi5811]

Originally Posted by 9Cal_OC

Who’s the FFL?

Some like SW won’t do them anymore regardless of what tier you are in; only LEO to LEO.

I was going to my VA appointment and agreed to meet someone from the forum for a PPT while passing through Highland. Not one for putting someone on blast, first time there and first time I was selling a gun here in California. I figured it was just a misunderstanding on their end but wasn’t going to dispute it since I didn’t have the letter the DOJ sent identifying that we can buy and sell.

[Yogi5811]

Originally Posted by Rogue187

You should name the FFL so another LEO won't make the mistake of going to that shop and wasting time.
Some shops are ignorant of the differences in the Tier's but it also doesn't help that they are getting misinformation from DOJ.

This shop just said no off roster PPT to civilians and didn’t inquire about the tier. I was also picking up a .308 lever action and was given a questionnaire to complete. First question asked was if I purchased a semi automatic weapon in the last 30 days. I said yeah I just DROS’d a semi auto shotgun this morning and he had to get clarification that it would be ok to proceed. I ended up not doing any transactions that day even after they said I was fine because it was just a shotgun. They did have a good selection of firearms though.

[donutboi]

It looks like DOJ just updated the penal code regarding off roster handgun. They removed Tier 3 completely and updated Tier 2.

It doesn’t say anything about “for duty use” for Tier 2 anymore.

Additionally, any of the following entities or sworn members of these entities who have satisfactorily completed the firearms portion of a training course prescribed by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training pursuant to Penal Code section 832 may purchase non-roster handguns (Pen. Code, § 32000, subd. (b)(6)):

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/exemptpo

[sovic4]

Question…when is a person “dinged” for selling an off roster to anyone other than a leo? Does the ffl get dinged, for accepting the PPT? Does doj let the transaction go through so that the seller can get dinged (sounds like entrapment). Just curious. Does the leo get a 664 (attempt to sell) charge for trying to sell to non leo?

[Librarian]

Originally Posted by donutboi

It looks like DOJ just updated the penal code regarding off roster handgun. They removed Tier 3 completely and updated Tier 2.

It doesn’t say anything about “for duty use” for Tier 2 anymore.



https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/exemptpo

You missed

Group 2 (for use as a service weapon):

and it seems as if you did not read down the page to

Group 3 (for use as a service weapon):

[Librarian]

Originally Posted by sovic4

Question…when is a person “dinged” for selling an off roster to anyone other than a leo? Does the ffl get dinged, for accepting the PPT? Does doj let the transaction go through so that the seller can get dinged (sounds like entrapment). Just curious. Does the leo get a 664 (attempt to sell) charge for trying to sell to non leo?

Other than prohibited person buyers, only an FFL who facilitates a LEO PPT outside the rules has potential legal problems, per PC 32000(c)(1).

Tier 1 LE who flip guns and get charged as illegal dealers is a different problem, as is the possible reaction of a LEO's employing agency.

[tcobtm]

So after much research of both CA DOJ’s site and Calguns, the muddy water states that a “Tier 1” CA LEO would be committing a law and/or regulation if the LEO were to transfer more than 5 non-roster handguns in a calendar year…? Can anyone provide a clean-cut answer to how many non-roster handguns a “Tier 1” LEO can PPT in a given year?

[Librarian]

Originally Posted by tcobtm

So after much research of both CA DOJ’s site and Calguns, the muddy water states that a “Tier 1” CA LEO would be committing a law and/or regulation if the LEO were to transfer more than 5 non-roster handguns in a calendar year…? Can anyone provide a clean-cut answer to how many non-roster handguns a “Tier 1” LEO can PPT in a given year?

ETA: the question as phrased conflates 2 different issues:
1) PPT limits (don't be an unlicensed dealer)
2) LEO selling off-Roster guns

1) Same as anyone else - 5 sales, 50 guns. Roster is not an issue in that consideration.

2) But one's LE agency is likely to have an opinion about the non-Roster aspect.

[Sikvenum93]

If I previously fell under Tier 2 (college police) and now fall under Tier 1; can I ppt the guns I purchased as a Tier 2 to non le since I’m Tier 1 now?


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[sovic4]

Has anyone heard of "Lock Stock and Barrel" out of Simi Valley. They say they run an auction house, possibly in addition to their day to day gun sales operation. I was advised that they have quiet a few LEO's as clients and have sold their off roster stuff to private citizens...in California. Sounds to good to be true

[Spyder]

I've bought from LSB before. Great outfit. The auction house is probably the bigger business for them. They travel the country and take up large and small collections on consignment. Check out their gunbroker listings. They ALWAYS have a lot of awesome stuff.