Red dot for a Glock

[ap3572001]

Which red dot sight did You have the best luck with on a Glock 17/19?

[1911su16b870]

So if you follow Sage Dynamics

The only red dot as of the latest update to his paper without a failure and over 10,000 rounds is the Holosun 509T

The red dots with over 10,000 rounds on them with only 1 or 2 failures reported are the:

Trijicon RMR type 2
Holosun 507

If you follow Scott Jedilinski, as of September 2022, his favorites are the Aimpoint ACRO P2, Steiner MDS type 2 and the Trijicon SRO

Personally I have and have used RMR type 1 and type 2, Doctor, J Point, Shield, Holosun 407, 507, 508, 509, Aimpoint ACRO p1 and p2, Sig Romeos and the ones that have broken are the Doctor, J Point and cracked lens on a Trijicon RMR but still holding zero and useable. Sig Romeos have poor battery life. Aimpoint ACRO p1 is a 6 month battery life. Holosuns will last a year and I am changing batteries on defensive arms annually.

Currently my favorite pistol optic is the Holosun 507K ACSS Vulcan because I can range with it and the chevron does not look like a laser designator dot/spot.

[Garth Ricky-Bobby Algarve]

I have run the Holosun 508T on my Glock for about 2 years. I have taught many classes with it, banged it around, carried it at work and off duty. Never a failure or loss of zero with a bunch of rounds through it. For regular duty use, this is a good sight. I have an RMR on another gun which is great too, but I don't like having to remove the sight for battery replacement.

[1911su16b870]

Aaron's new 2023 paper is out.

Also look to some of the Holosun SCS EPS direct MOS mount options...they let you use the Glock OEM sights!

[TrailerparkTrash]

Glass optics are like a set of high end new Ping or TaylorMade golf clubs. A sihty golpher will buy them, but instead of improving his game in any way, he?s still just as sihty at golf, only now he owns an expensive set of clubs.

Basic Trijicon night sights for the win. For most, glass optics are over rated if you know how to shoot fast and on target already.

[PeteH]

Originally Posted by ap3572001

Which red dot sight did You have the best luck with on a Glock 17/19?

Holosun 507k on a Glock 19. If you're still working make sure it's approved by your agency. For us the Glock also had to be factory MOS, you couldn't have it cut for the optic.

[1911su16b870]

Originally Posted by TrailerparkTrash

Glass optics are like a set of high end new Ping or TaylorMade golf clubs. A sihty golpher will buy them, but instead of improving his game in any way, he?s still just as sihty at golf, only now he owns an expensive set of clubs.

Basic Trijicon night sights for the win. For most, glass optics are over rated if you know how to shoot fast and on target already.

For those who can do 1000 rounds/month or 10,000 rounds/year they have built subconscious competence and that natural point of aim and confirmed it with live fire, irons are probably good enough.

For those who do not do the repetitions, the optic is a single focal plane - e.g. you are looking at the target/threat and the dot is just in your eye-line superimposed on the target/threat. If you deliver a proper press, the round will impact the target/threat where the dot is covering.

The biggest barrier to running optics is poor trigger control...the optic can not solve a poor press. One of the best benefits of optics on pistols is dry fire work...if the dot moves during dry fire and the shooter is paying attention...they are not delivering a good trigger press.

...and a golf course is a tragic waste of a rifle range...

[PeteH]

I would think most folk are like me-I went to red dots because my older eyes made that front sight too blurry.

[skyungjae]

Originally Posted by ap3572001

Which red dot sight did You have the best luck with on a Glock 17/19?

Get what you feel is best that you're allowed to use. I run a Romeo 1 Pro on my duty weapon and a Romeo Zero Elite on my off duty. I would probably run something else, but that's pretty much all we're allowed to use aside from the Trijicon RMR Type 2 Adjustable.

The reason why I don't run the RMR is due to needing sealing plate and the RMR screw torque is 12 inch/lbs vs 30 inch/lbs on the R1P. Changing batteries is also easier on the R1P. Also, at the time of purchase, the R1P was like $280 out the door at Adamson Police Products.

[fal_762x51]

I have been field testing a Trijicon RMR on a Glock 17 for my department. It has been a year and I have put about 3,000 round through it. It has held zero and has been out in the rain/snow for four months.

[ap3572001]

Originally Posted by fal_762x51

I have been field testing a Trijicon RMR on a Glock 17 for my department. It has been a year and I have put about 3,000 round through it. It has held zero and has been out in the rain/snow for four months.

Nice. Are You using an adapter plate supplied by Glock ?

[fal_762x51]

Originally Posted by ap3572001

Nice. Are You using an adapter plate supplied by Glock ?

Yes, and the Trijicon sealing plate. The screws that came with it were too long. We got stainless screws and machined them down to the proper length. I used a lacquer paint marker to seal the top of the screw heads that mated with the optic body to prevent water intrusion (rains about five months out of the year and we have many bodies of water).

Mine took a couple of ocean waves a few months ago. After proper cleaning, it still works (fired about 350 rounds since). I am going to be replacing the battery in May and will update what it looks like underneath.

[1911su16b870]

FWIW here is an excellent summary of optics installation.

Take-aways for me:

- Clean all the surfaces with IPA/Acetone
- Use Loctite 222 purple for the small screw threads
- Use an oil based paint marker to "stake" the socket head flat screws after torqued to specification.

[SoCalDep]

I think there might be a better way to mount optics than that video. If one were to contact relevant individuals at a large Sheriff?s department that has a lot of experience mounting optics they could provide a bunch of relevant information to include reports and proposals and mounting procedures that have been adopted across the country including Gunsite and training that has been given to lots of agencies across the state and beyond.

While one probably shouldn?t post lots of details in a public thread the PM function continues to be a very useful tool.

[weekend_fun]

I have RMR type 2 on a couple. Im tempted to try a Holosun

[jewie27]

Originally Posted by ap3572001

Which red dot sight did You have the best luck with on a Glock 17/19?

Holosun EPS Green with Mult-Reticle

[bigger hammer]

I have an RMR07, the adjustable LED on my Glock 19. I have the same sight on my Nighthawk Firehawk. I have a Holosun (forget the model) on my SBL in .44 Mag and the same RDS on my 1895 in .45‒70,

[bigger hammer]

Originally Posted by TrailerparkTrash

Glass optics are like a set of high end new Ping or TaylorMade golf clubs. A sihty golpher will buy them, but instead of improving his game in any way, he?s still just as sihty at golf, only now he owns an expensive set of clubs.

Basic Trijicon night sights for the win. For most, glass optics are over rated if you know how to shoot fast and on target already.

Not really the place for a debate, but since you brought it up ‒ optics are placed into a separate category from iron sights in competition because they offer an advantage in speed and accuracy. Those might be helpful in a self‒defense situation. There is a learning curve with them and I recommend looking at videos and maybe even taking a class or two for anyone who is thinking of making the switch. Anyone who just "bolts them on" and goes shooting will soon discover some issues.

I've found them to be quite helpful. My eyesight changed over the years and I could no longer focus on the front sight. The RDS makes it possible for me to keep shooting accurately and it's faster as well. I'm able to make longer shots than I ever thought possible. Not the least of their advantages is being able to easily shoot with both eyes open, while focused on the threat.

[GizmoSD]

Same guy who demands iron sights only on his rifle. If that?s what you prefer, have at it. But I bet you won?t find a ?working? or combat rifle with only iron sights at any real tactical unit. There?s a reason people who know what they?re doing use optics.

Again, if you simply prefer iron sights only, then do your thing. But if you try to discount the benefits of an optic on anything that goes bang, you?re simply declaring your preference.

[ronlglock]

https://www.police1.com/police-produ...pr3IzIlbhdaxI/

Originally Posted by jewie27

Holosun EPS Green with Mult-Reticle

My go to due to high astigmatism although I also have ACRO and Steiner on my Staccatos.

[Vinnie Boombatz]

Have Holosun 508T X2 and 507C X2 with ACSS ON MY G17's and like them both a lot.

I have crap eyesight, wear bifocals and have astigmatism and it only took an hour or so to get used to using red dots, and my groups actually shrunk dramatically once I started using the red dot. I found the single focal plane of a red dot way easier and more intuitive compared to having to line up irons that are in two different focal planes (while obviously focusing on the front sight). Loved the red dot so much I put the 507K X2 on my Shield which is my CCW firearm and switched to a 507K X2 ACSS a few weeks later (the ACSS is an awesome reticle and really helps if you're using a red dot with a smaller window like many would on a CCW firearm, shooting from a position where you're presentation might be at an off-angle, like around an obstacle or barrier, etc.) Also have a 507C X2 on my 1301 and a 510C on my AR.

People with astigmatism complain that they see a blob instead of a red dot. I found a couple solutions to that. Dialing down the brightness helps a LOT. The other solution is to just place the blob over your target, plain and simple. You're not bullseye shooting and most likely going for center mass, head shot, steel plate, etc. when you're training. The bullet is going to go where the blob is if you're doing your part as far as a proper grip and trigger control. If you have sight with a small dot, the blob with be a small blob. If you get a sight with a large MOA dot, the blob will be much larger.

If it's for a G19 and you plan on using it for CCW I'd go with a 507K X2 over the larger 508.

[tigerpan]

I have the vortex because it’s cheap for no carry gun