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CFARS COE Renewal New Requirement
Hi,
Is anyone having an issue renewing their COE? Mine was rejected as incomplete and their e-mail stated a new law requires a scan of my CA drivers license and passport (since I don't have a REAL ID). There is no menu option to upload a passport scan by itself so I uploaded a PDF containing a scan of both my DL and passport and it was again rejected as incomplete with the same message and no additional clarifying info. Does anyone know the magic process for doing this? Is it something stupid like they want a scan of the back of my DL , too? I emailed DOJ but who knows how long a reply may take or whether it will be of any use. Are they deliberately trying to avoid renewing COEs? Thanks for any info.
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This is now required in the CCR
https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Doc...ta=(sc.Default) There is an option at the bottom to upload an image. |
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You had to get a livescan to register your finger prints to get your COE. And to get the livescan you had to show everything they are asking for again. Sent from my XT1710-02 using Tapatalk |
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since it sounds like you uploaded all the correct documents but was still rejected, I would suppose they didn't actually look at your uploads and only "see" one image where they expect two. Maybe split it up and try again, or just upload the same image twice with different names "driver license" "passport". Mine went through like the day after I uploaded my license image, though I do have a real id.
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I renewed 2 months ago without REAL ID. You don’t need REAL ID, you just cannot have a DL that says ‘Federal Limits Apply’. They took the scan of my old school non-REAL ID, non-FLA DL with no problem.
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I renewed mine a few months ahead of when it was going to expire (partially due to the long waits and slow processing times at the DMV) and just did the Real-ID at that time.
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If you don’t have a Real-ID, you would need to furnish the other information that the DMV collects for a Real-ID, by my estimation as detailed as possible (DL front/back and multiple pages of a passport), included as a PDF per selection in the upload drop down on CFARS. If there was no specific category, then to combine pages into a larger PDF and upload under CADL. I could be speaking out my rear, but that’s the type of submission games they played under the BBRAW reg window. In the OP’s case, either they didn’t look at all the pages, or you are missing some other info. Use the CFARS system to open an issue request about your application. OP, since you will be providing the same level of documentation to them, as to DMV for a Real-ID, you might as well get the official document, for future use. |
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Still using my non-REAL ID to register C&R guns on CFARS too, most recently last week. No additional documents needed as long as your ID does not say FEDERAL LIMITS APPLY.
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I renewed my COE in October. Had to upload a pic of my ID which happens to be a Real ID. No issues.
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Last night I e-mailed for further information and actually received a reply from 'Rachel' this morning.
She said they had received my passport, but still need my DL. Obviously they didn't really look at the dual scan image. She implied I could use any of the document category options for upload, basically they don't matter. So I removed the combined DL/Passport scan and uploaded them separately. For the passport, I chose the "Court Documents" category. My DL does say "Federal Limits Apply" but the instructions state I can upload a passport or birth certificate to prove US citizenship. We'll see what happens.
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My COE was approved today after I re-uploaded the docs as I described in post #14.
If the instructions on the site were more clear, I think DOJ could avoid a lot of questions and re-submissions. The key is you can upload your docs using any category. They look at them all. They really should either remove the categories, make sure one exists for all document types or add a catchall "Other Docs" or similar. Their voice mail says processing time is 4-8 weeks for new and renewal COEs. Not including the delays due to the denials, mine took a week.
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THis garbage has been a total cluster... I wish the lawsuits would move through quicker. This is situation is absolutely ridiculous.
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IIRC, and it’s been a while, it’s pre-filled out on the PDF when you go to print it.
If you don’t see it, you need to use a PDF viewer that will display the document properly. I don’t think Apple’s did, and I had to actually use Adobe reader to print it. |
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Ok ,after a lot of searching I found it .Theres a form for ammo and a separate one for firearms . Both have the same number on them . I wanted the ammo form so I can order high end 22 rf that dealers don't carry since its so expensive . Thanks guys , Arnie
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I'm really surprised they are not charging an administrative fee or some other BS for the privilege of uploading additional info.
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Are they supposed to send out renewal reminders? I just happened to look for my COE and notice it expired in October... logging in I had all of a week left for "grace period" renewal! Now have an annual reminder set in my iCal.
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Mine was done electronically and I did not receive any kind of notice. I have it in my calendar, as in Outlook. I am not a troglodyte and a Luddite. |
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I also had to upload my Real ID for the COE renewal.
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I just did mine and didn't see where it said I needed to upload a id picture. |
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It does state in the directions. You may get CFARS notice within the next business day or two.
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yeah, saw where it said I could upload , but it didnt say what to upload. guess I will have to wait for that email. hoping they get back to me quick.
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Same here, uploaded my fla ID and passport card a month ago, still "under review". My Coe expires in 3 days now, oh well.
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There is a grace period to renew. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Time to renew my COE again.
My initial attempt was rejected due to another "undocumented" new requirement. They asked me to put my FFL03 number in the comments section or if I didn't have one (I do), to explain why I wanted a COE. Are they now going to require an FFL03 for a COE? Or what "reasons" they will "allow" to get a COE if you don't have an FFL03. Would someone without an FFL03 want a COE? I don't know. Anyway, FYI. If you have an 03 FFL, put the number in there to save one round of reject/resubmit. If they would indicate these things in the instructions, it would save everyone a lot of time. I guess it's too much bother to update their instructions.
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same here..
My initial renewal was rejected, they asked me to provide FFL03 number, but on the online form there is no option to put FFL03, I put the FFL03 on the comments and re-submitted it, status says "being processed". My COE will expire in 3 days ;-( By the way I don't have real ID yet but I uploaded CA DL with no "Federal Limits", they didn't say anything. Hopefully it will go thru. |
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I am curious if your 03FFL is entered into your CFARS profile - and they still asked you to provide it for your COE? When I fill out forms and such on CFARS, my 03 FFL auto populates any field where it is needed, because it is entered into my CFARS user profile |
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Thank you, will keep an eye out for this as well.
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Mail Code - 02879 Attachment 973504 Last edited by sfe187; 01-28-2021 at 3:15 PM.. |
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You're talking about a bunch of bureaucrats. You don't actually expect them to take initiative and actually do some work do you? You have to make it as KISS for them as possible. Upload all your docs separately.
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