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Question for the legal experts. Why is it that when President Trump signed an executive order that the demorats didn't like, a random judge would block it within a few days(don't know what the terminology is for this) and it wouldn't be enforced until after it went through the courts?

Why is it that Biden's mandatory vaccination mandate has not been challenged or blocked?
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Not a legal expert but Democrats Judge shop to find a corrupt judge who will do their bidding, not uphold the law.

It is a lot harder to find a corrupt Constitutional Justice.
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What I'd like to know is what is outlined in this mandate? Employers aren't even talking about it because they've been given no guidance. My bet is this mandate won't be a mandate. They spaced the deadline out so people will have time to go get vaxed. People will be fearful and will do this and then find they didn't have too.
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What I'd like to know is what is outlined in this mandate? Employers aren't even talking about it because they've been given no guidance. My bet is this mandate won't be a mandate. They spaced the deadline out so people will have time to go get vaxed. People will be fearful and will do this and then find they didn't have too.
That is a fair point. Many Employers are following the "Mandate" because they fear the $14000. per employee fines and most of their employees will conform even though there is a good chance the whole thing may eventually get squashed by a Judge
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It might have something to do with the fact that he did it through an OSHA type mandate regulation. And as it's been pointed out in other places of the internet, OSHA was already severely undermanned just to enforce the many complex safety regulations around our nation. Can you imagine how many employees it would take to confirm that every business is enforcing this new OSHA mandate ruling?

It would be like if OSHA was told, by a senile president, they have to make sure no ladders in the US are taller than 1ft, for the safety of everyone.

Some companies might throw away their bigger now prohibited ladders because they don't want even a slight possibility of them getting caught and potentially catching a big fine that they could probably fight in court (and win, in my opinion).

But the media is not pointing that this mandate is more or less (on the companies with more than 100 employees) realistically unenforceable, unless they have snitches working for them.
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Not a legal expert but Democrats Judge shop to find a corrupt judge who will do their bidding, not uphold the law.

It is a lot harder to find a corrupt Constitutional Justice.

Why would we need to find a "corrupt Constitutional Justice?"

Below is some samples where a judge has blocked vaccine mandates.

https://www.kagstv.com/article/news/...9-2a4df203b208

https://www.wwnytv.com/2021/09/14/ju...te-ny-state-2/

https://www.gainesville.com/story/ne...ts/5831613001/
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No one seems willing to ask their employer if they have formally received the OSHA mandate.
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And it's amazing how the Rona will be avoiding companies with less than 100 employees. Such a smart virus.
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No one seems willing to ask their employer if they have formally received the OSHA mandate.
Afraid of retaliation?

Received an email saying they’re waiting on OSHA. No guidance yet.


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It might have something to do with the fact that he did it through an OSHA type mandate regulation. And as it's been pointed out in other places of the internet, OSHA was already severely undermanned just to enforce the many complex safety regulations around our nation. Can you imagine how many employees it would take to confirm that every business is enforcing this new OSHA mandate ruling?

It would be like if OSHA was told, by a senile president, they have to make sure no ladders in the US are taller than 1ft, for the safety of everyone.

Some companies might throw away their bigger now prohibited ladders because they don't want even a slight possibility of them getting caught and potentially catching a big fine that they could probably fight in court (and win, in my opinion).

But the media is not pointing that this mandate is more or less (on the companies with more than 100 employees) realistically unenforceable, unless they have snitches working for them.
Then how do we strike it down? We can’t just allow it to stand because we think it’s un enforceable. If your employer is on board with the vaccine mandate and your coworkers are all vaccinated, they will get rid of you and citing the law as an excuse.
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I heard no order has been signed yet, so it's not in effect.

Can't overturn what hasn't turned.

Since they would be embarrassed by a reversal, they may be relying on the effect on employers and employees to get a certain percentage to comply with a non-existing order.
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Not a legal expert but Democrats Judge shop to find a corrupt judge who will do their bidding, not uphold the law.

It is a lot harder to find a corrupt Constitutional Justice.
I think that the problem is that it is even more difficult to find an HONEST Constitutional Justice.
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That is a fair point. Many Employers are following the "Mandate" because they fear the $14000. per employee fines and most of their employees will conform even though there is a good chance the whole thing may eventually get squashed by a Judge
Here's the thing, there's no guidance from OSHA or anyone on any of it. The wife is a manager and was on a conference call a couple days ago. Nothing was said. They have no employees as it is and other stores are closed some days of the week and are all closing early.
Now we're going to do this during holiday shopping season?
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Just answered above. If I would have seen your post I would have answered you.
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I heard no order has been signed yet, so it's not in effect.

Can't overturn what hasn't turned.

Since they would be embarrassed by a reversal, they may be relying on the effect on employers and employees to get a certain percentage to comply with a non-existing order.
That's the problem. The president apparently hasn't even signed the order and employers are already emboldened to threaten with termination those that do not comply. We're already destroying lives and no such order has even been signed yet.
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That's the problem. The president apparently hasn't even signed the order and employers are already emboldened to threaten with termination those that do not comply. We're already destroying lives and no such order has even been signed yet.
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That addresses the Federal workforce or am I missing it?


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Even without an OSHA mandate companies and their employees have been eager for Warp Speed to finalize and approve a vaccine. It is a company mandate by majority agreement.
Biden's OSHA mandate (if we even see it) makes sure no rogue companies in red states can continue their no mandate policies, currently in place.
Newsome may even come up with mandates on his own like he promised.. Unless it was all hot air
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Even without an OSHA mandate companies and their employees have been eager for Warp Speed to finalize and approve a vaccine. It is a company mandate by majority agreement.
Biden's OSHA mandate (if we even see it) makes sure no rogue companies in red states can continue their no mandate policies, currently in place.
Newsome may even come up with mandates on his own like he promised.. Unless it was all hot air
Large corporations in red states are just as screwed as the ones in blue states. Vaccine refusal has been turned into a safety issue.
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Large corporations in red states are just as screwed as the ones in blue states. Vaccine refusal has been turned into a safety issue.
If the OSHA mandates comes through. Utah, and other red state AGs will oppose them in court. 10th Circuit could block. Not all judges believe in these mandates
Most people here oppose the mandate.
Alot of companies here advertise their company is vaccine free.
There is no state mandate as it is not a safety issue here. And, there is no state of emergency.

From four days ago,

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2021/9/...sue-sean-reyes

But, to date, there is no Federal mandate.

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It may basically be a big Biden bluff. OSHA/White House lawyers may have said "You can't do that!" but companies that were itching to issue mandates feel like they have cover now. There are lawsuits in process so the actual govt mandates might not ever happen.
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I think it's because any lawyer who knows the system knows that if they bring a case now it will be thrown out over standing. They have to wait until people are harmed, fired, loss of income, etc, to have 'standing' for the case to even get accepted.

Now knowing how corrupt the courts are, they could, as they did in one of the Penn cases over vote fraud, claim 'latches', a legal term doing with timing, to sidestep taking up the case on the grounds that the case wasn't filed soon enough.

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From my experience with how it’s affecting me, is my company does mostly federal contracts. So we are contractors to the federal government. We are now waiting to see if our contracts will require all employees/contractors to be jabbed. We haven’t heard anything definitive yet, but my company is already getting stats on employees positions. I’m 100% remote, have been for over 6 years. My concern is being required to jab when there is 0% chance I go to an office.
There’s absolutely no reason for me to get it for work, a d it’s a big concern for me right now.


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From my experience with how it’s affecting me, is my company does mostly federal contracts. So we are contractors to the federal government. We are now waiting to see if our contracts will require all employees/contractors to be jabbed. We haven’t heard anything definitive yet, but my company is already getting stats on employees positions. I’m 100% remote, have been for over 6 years. My concern is being required to jab when there is 0% chance I go to an office.
There’s absolutely no reason for me to get it for work, a d it’s a big concern for me right now.


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Although I work for a private company, they’ve got a ton of employees. I too am 100% work from home. No need at all for me to get jabbed. No harm whatsoever to any other employee. At all. Ever.

The HR dept sent out an email the Friday of the announcement by Biden and basically said that they’re waiting to see how things go. Hopefully they don’t cave since a lot of their employees are permanent work from home.


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From my experience with how it’s affecting me, is my company does mostly federal contracts. So we are contractors to the federal government. We are now waiting to see if our contracts will require all employees/contractors to be jabbed. We haven’t heard anything definitive yet, but my company is already getting stats on employees positions. I’m 100% remote, have been for over 6 years. My concern is being required to jab when there is 0% chance I go to an office.
There’s absolutely no reason for me to get it for work, a d it’s a big concern for me right now.


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The government contractors mandate is far more likely to survive any court challenges than any of the other mandates, because the way they are implementing it is part of new contract negotiations. If the company agrees as part of a new contract that all workers on the project will be vaccinated, well they agreed to those terms.
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Although I work for a private company, they’ve got a ton of employees. I too am 100% work from home. No need at all for me to get jabbed. No harm whatsoever to any other employee. At all. Ever.

The HR dept sent out an email the Friday of the announcement by Biden and basically said that they’re waiting to see how things go. Hopefully they don’t cave since a lot of their employees are permanent work from home.
Same here.... "wait and see".
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Although I work for a private company, they’ve got a ton of employees. I too am 100% work from home. No need at all for me to get jabbed. No harm whatsoever to any other employee. At all. Ever.

The HR dept sent out an email the Friday of the announcement by Biden and basically said that they’re waiting to see how things go. Hopefully they don’t cave since a lot of their employees are permanent work from home.


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I’m in the exact same boat. My program director doesn’t think it will (or should) apply to fully remote, but she said it comes down to how the .gov treats applies it to our contracts.

My director also expects this to be litigated. Which has me wondering will the company let people wait til the end? I mean how do you deal with forcing someone to get the jab, then when you lose lawsuits, just saying oh well? You can’t undo the jab.


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The government contractors mandate is far more likely to survive any court challenges than any of the other mandates, because the way they are implementing it is part of new contract negotiations. If the company agrees as part of a new contract that all workers on the project will be vaccinated, well they agreed to those terms.

Totally understand that, but the way it’s been presented to me is a little different. Almost like it’s whatever the .gov says, not negotiated. If that makes sense.

My company is woke in the diversity and inclusion stuff, but damn I’d hope they’d see this as what it is.


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My director also expects this to be litigated. Which has me wondering will the company let people wait til the end? I mean how do you deal with forcing someone to get the jab, then when you lose lawsuits, just saying oh well? You can’t undo the jab.
Well - if they preemptively fire any significant portion of their workforce, good luck finding replacements. Everyone is hiring, no new bodies are being found.
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