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Old 09-16-2021, 2:18 PM
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Short story: Register as a Republican otherwise the Dems assume you are with them. Most importantly vote!

Longer story below:
I'm looking at the Secretary of State (SOS) website, specifically the mix of registered voters for each of the parties.

https://www.sos.ca.gov/administratio...sories/ap20108

Looking at the first table "Trends in Statewide Voter Registration 1996 Β– 2020", it clearly shows a decline in Republican voters and an increase in "No Party" voters.

By looking at the math if all of the No Party voters voted republican this state would be more balanced.

What's also interesting is the percentage of Democratic voters has been fairly stable with a very small dip around 2004 @43%. Note that Gray Davis was recalled in 2003.

So it doesn't take much to tip the scales.

What shocks me is the SOS reports there were 9,137,428 votes cast in the recall with a total of 22,047,448 (https://ballotpedia.org/Gavin_Newsom) registered voters. That's about ~42% of the total registered voters actually voted.

As for the national level it's even worse because California has 55 Electoral votes. This represents about 10% of the 538 total.

California voter turnout averages less than 50% (11M votes). 11M votes is about 25% of the total population of California or about 3% of the US population.

It's really ugly when you consider that about 3% of the US popular votes determine 10% of the Presidential election.
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Old 09-16-2021, 2:49 PM
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Maybe the Republicans are so convinced that the "one person, one vote" concept has been so hijacked by the Democrats that even identifying as a Republican puts a bullseye on their ballots. It's just safer to not identify as any party and then vote in person for the candidate you choose, instead of having a candidate chosen for you.
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This is why, and you can flame away if you want, we need to leave this state... its over.. we have no DUE PROCESS here anymore.. and let's face reality, which I feel like Repubs are NOT doing by playing by the rules still, in that even if Elder got in right... let's say he got in, What in the holy fkk could he do on the topics that REALLY MATTER?

He would be blocked, circumvented, twisted up, lied about, sued, media blitzed, media blacked, ..with commie judges inserting their knives up his azz... trust me, by the 6 month mark, he would realize that it was a BIG mistake to take this on..

We have to be realistic and stop thinking about this in the old school mentality ways of thinking in how we still think that we have DUE PROCESS in Lib/Dem enclaves..we dont..

We need to just get the hell out of here.. we, the conservatives, are actually, to tell you the truth, supporting indirectly, the commie machine here by our tax dollars through profesional work and small/med business revenues... as well as giving CA the best 'look' that we can give it.. We are paying for our demise--->it's a simple concept but think about that for a second..

As I said in another post, we are wasting time and we need to maneuver to another front (state) on the battlefield to counter attack any commie BS that comes that way... we will have a VIABLE chance then unlike here in CA...

We are wasting our passion, time, vote, and money by staying here behind enemy lines... remember,, THE COMMIES ARE NOT PLAYING BY THE RULES HERE... BUT WE CONSERVATIVES HAVE TO.... the game is twisted here.. just like NY,.. MA...etc etc

Its not giving up by relocating... its re-maneuvering for the counter attack.. other red states NEED us.. we conservative Californians have good local and state level political experience.. we know what to look out for... we are politically battle hardened.. it's a waste of talent by staying here
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SoJ.. split the damn state already.

We here have not been represented for longer than I can remember.
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SoJ.. split the damn state already.

We here have not been represented for longer than I can remember.
will never happen.. the Commies up in Sac need conservative money...
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My CA assembly district was GOP, then the sheeps all started suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome and now it is 80/20 flipped to demorats
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I don't see where the party registration matters to an individual voter other than for the ability to vote for/against candidates in the Presidential primary. I will switch registration to vote in a presidential primary, either against or for a candidate in a primary that actually looks competitive.Statistically, I'm an anomaly, but party I am registered to has no loyalty for me.
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This is why, and you can flame away if you want, we need to leave this state... its over.. we have no DUE PROCESS here anymore..
Unfortunately i have come to the same conclusion… this once-magnificent state is a lost cause, likely for the remainder of my lifetime. They say the pendulum swings, and I hope that is true, but I doubt I’ll see that in the time I have left.

My wife is finally on board also, extremely reluctantly, as she could never envision leaving up until very recently. She is now ready to GTFO ASAP.

I expect that we will out within the next six months, or sooner. We have a target location identified and are looking at all aspects so that we make the change with eyes wide open.

We are more fortunate than many, in that we are in a position and mindset to do so.

I pray for everyone here and hope things turn around one day.
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I have finally resigned myself that we are fighting a battle that is already lost. I agree with most of what has been posted. This is a lost cause because if we find some type of way to build enthusiasm, they will simply change the law (or rules). When the recall timing favored a longer timeline, they wanted it. Then in this most recent case, they wanted it sooner because they were worried about what might happen that could impact them. Now, because we were able to do this recall, they are going to change the rules again to make it harder.

If we look at the numbers, the Sec of State sent ballots to all 22M eligible voters. That breakdown was 10.2M Dems, 5.3M Rep and 6.5M No Party or something else.

In the recall vote, the No was 5.8M and the Yes was 3.3M

The only way things would ever change would be to turn out a very high percentage of Rep and a high percentage of the others. Even then you need to have a lower turnout of Dems. I personally don't think that will ever happen.

Our only hope is the court system when they create these crap laws, and as we know, that is also a long shot and the delay tactics when we succeed, simply make the process take forever.

For those that have the ability to leave, that is the best option.
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There is no saving this state. People will only change their minds after extreme suffering. Unfortunately, we have 10 more years here barring some unexpected wealth acquisition.


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You know, the Republicans do have some good ideas. Not all of them, of course, but there are some. Lower government involvement in private lives is one of those.

Here's why they keep failing in states like California. It's similar to why they are now failing in my current state of residence, Virginia. And the Republicans can change this if they really want to.

First, many, many minority voters, especially Black voters, consider the Republican Party the modern-day equivalent of George Wallace and Bull Connor. And there are very good reasons why that is. The Republicans actually seem *afraid* of especially Black people, to the point that they're unwilling to go to where large populations of them live, talk (and *LISTEN*) with them, and make their case. The Democrats do that. The Republicans...don't.

Republican refusal to repudiate the Confederacy is another big one. The Germans did the right thing by repudiating Nazism. But for some reason, many (especially White) Republicans hang on to this "Lost Cause of Dixie" mindset. As the son of a Black man, there's no way in Hell that any of my family, myself includes, is going to vote for a Confederacy-worshiper. The Republicans need to drop that.

In the case of Latinos, it's this automatic assumption that I constantly see that anyone who "looks Hispanic" and happens to speak Spanish is here illegally. I've eye-witnessed this happen far, far too many times to count. "Goddam illegal..." I keep hearing muttered or outright said a lot of times when a brown-skinned, Native American-looking family happens to walk by. Make no mistake, they are well aware of that mindset. They also know those folks with that mindset tend to vote Republican.

Finally, in order to effectively "be allowed" to run as a Republican, you've got to be a CHREEESCH-CHUN! No non-Christians allowed! How do I know this? By going to local Republican Party gatherings and talking with the people there. That sort of bigotry's just gotta go, folks. We are a secular nation, not a "Christian nation", and given the Salem Witch Trials back when we were officially a "Christian nation", I hope we always remain a secular nation.

I know, you don't like hearing this, and, well, the truth hurts sometimes. You've still got to face it and fix it, though, if you want the hope of ever winning states like California again.

This is why the Republicans lost Virginia. This is why Bloom-boy's influence actually worked here. And the same thing is happening in the states of Washington and Oregon as well. Just look.
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I've lived in SOCAL since 1976. Married, raised 3 kids, retired, recently sold my house and are under contract for a new home in a free state. Two of my 3 kids have been smart enough to leave the state. When I cross the state line for the last time, I'll NEVER LOOK BACK!
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so badly want to move, but we have no mortgage and wife says as long as kids are here and we can afford it we are staying. She agrees we will move someday, but I fear it may be too late by then.
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I have friends who flat out refuse to vote in California anymore. All conservatives.


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so badly want to move, but we have no mortgage and wife says as long as kids are here and we can afford it we are staying. She agrees we will move someday, but I fear it may be too late by then.
I feel you man. We’re in the same boat. Investments, rentals, house, great job, wife that needs medical care and it’s close by. For us to just pick up and move….the tax liabilities are huge….. if we just pack up sell and move. We have to be really tactical in our moving strategy. We’re gonna start looking in November at where we may wanna move. At least start establishing a residence in another state,

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This is why, and you can flame away if you want, we need to leave this state... its over.. we have no DUE PROCESS here anymore.. and let's face reality, which I feel like Repubs are NOT doing by playing by the rules still, in that even if Elder got in right... let's say he got in, What in the holy fkk could he do on the topics that REALLY MATTER?

He would be blocked, circumvented, twisted up, lied about, sued, media blitzed, media blacked, ..with commie judges inserting their knives up his azz... trust me, by the 6 month mark, he would realize that it was a BIG mistake to take this on..

We have to be realistic and stop thinking about this in the old school mentality ways of thinking in how we still think that we have DUE PROCESS in Lib/Dem enclaves..we dont..

We need to just get the hell out of here.. we, the conservatives, are actually, to tell you the truth, supporting indirectly, the commie machine here by our tax dollars through profesional work and small/med business revenues... as well as giving CA the best 'look' that we can give it.. We are paying for our demise--->it's a simple concept but think about that for a second..

As I said in another post, we are wasting time and we need to maneuver to another front (state) on the battlefield to counter attack any commie BS that comes that way... we will have a VIABLE chance then unlike here in CA...

We are wasting our passion, time, vote, and money by staying here behind enemy lines... remember,, THE COMMIES ARE NOT PLAYING BY THE RULES HERE... BUT WE CONSERVATIVES HAVE TO.... the game is twisted here.. just like NY,.. MA...etc etc

Its not giving up by relocating... its re-maneuvering for the counter attack.. other red states NEED us.. we conservative Californians have good local and state level political experience.. we know what to look out for... we are politically battle hardened.. it's a waste of talent by staying here
Absolutely agree 100%, it won't take many like minded states to follow CA path and we will be in full socialism nation wide.
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Leaving the state is about as loser as it gets.

So the idea is to leave the state, consolidate in another state and right some battle. Ok, to do what exactly? What battle are you going to fight in some other state - a battle for California? You left so you can't fight diddly squat, you ran away thinking anyone else wants you when all they see is another semi-conservative loser who bugged out, just the way it is.

You are willing to admit and concede an entire state because you can't compete? Then you expect people in another state to say welcome to the team? No one wants losers on their team or anyone who runs away.

You are admitting what the democrats did you cannot?

Why don't a large number of conservatives from other states move into California and help change the politics? You see it works both ways but instead of admitting you aren't as capable as the democrats you called for reinforcements. What braintrust thinks retreating is the way to win anything? No matter what state you bug out to they will follow and do there what they did here. Instead, reinforce California, do what they did - you're not up to it or are acknowledging you are less than they are?

If the same number of people who leave instead come to California the politics could change - it isn't like we have hurricanes, tornadoes and huge floods, blizzards and rain most of the year. Earthquakes? Get real, there are many more hurricanes tornadoes flooding and such destruction in other states than there are here and Idaho now has fires too.

Be the quitter because that is how California got to where it is - the quitters stayed home and didn't vote, they sat around watching some ball game.

There is so much talk around here about the Founding Fathers and the intent and the 2nd/A and all that yet you will give up a part of the union because you can't stand up and instead tuck your tail and run and then think you are any better than a refugee from some third world country looking for someone else to save you?

The faster all the quitters bug out the better. Eventually only the strong will remain and if all is eventually lost then so be it but not because the strong ran like cowards but because the cowards ran.

Coward is a strong term. Just what do you call someone who runs and then says they will take up the good fight somewhere else when all they really think about is some AR build they can make because it's all they have?
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The faster all the quitters bug out the better. Eventually only the strong will remain and if all is eventually lost then so be it but not because the strong ran like cowards but because the cowards ran.
Alrighty then.

I grew up here - native born and raised. 60 years old. You must be young.

I wish everyone who wants to stay all the best. As for attracting new Conservatives into the State, again I wish you the best of luck. Not too many Conservatives are likely to earmark Cali as their destination of choice due to the cesspool it has become, due to the overwhelming costs of living, due to the asinine tax burden and Libtard laws and governance. They’re far too smart, and there are far better options since they didn’t grow up in the surf and ski mentality.

I’ve fought the battles all of my adult life. At some point you realize that even the 300 warriors would eventually lose when the foes number in the millions.

Once the Dems mastered the cheat, it is pretty much game over. Everything is manipulated - the sheeple just aren’t smart enough to see it, and those who might be just aren’t looking… hard to see something you’re not looking for.

I’m going to make the best of the few quality years my wife and I have left. I’ve travelled enough to know that people in free states are living a far better quality of life.
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What shocks me is the SOS reports there were 9,137,428 votes cast in the recall ...
Two words: Ballot Harvesting.

If you can reach into a network of disinterested, but generally friendly voters to your cause, you don't need to get them interested or educated on any issue. Where there is absolutely no chance to get them to vote on something they don't care about, it's easy to convince them to give you their ballot when you stop by and ask for it.

That's what's changed...
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Alrighty then.

I grew up here - native born and raised. 60 years old. You must be young.

I wish everyone who wants to stay all the best. As for attracting new Conservatives into the State, again I wish you the best of luck. Not too many Conservatives are likely to earmark Cali as their destination of choice due to the cesspool it has become, due to the overwhelming costs of living, due to the asinine tax burden and Libtard laws and governance. They’re far too smart, and there are far better options since they didn’t grow up in the surf and ski mentality.

I’ve fought the battles all of my adult life. At some point you realize that even the 300 warriors would eventually lose when the foes number in the millions.

Once the Dems mastered the cheat, it is pretty much game over. Everything is manipulated - the sheeple just aren’t smart enough to see it, and those who might be just aren’t looking… hard to see something you’re not looking for.

I’m going to make the best of the few quality years my wife and I have left. I’ve travelled enough to know that people in free states are living a far better quality of life.
You made an incorrect assumption so going with that what else do you assume wrongly?

Conservatives are like the boys who wouldn't hit a girl because they were taught never to do that despite the girl beating their brains in with a 2x4. Conservatives became girly men and that is why liberals got California. Conservatives stepped aside and said welcome.

The Dems didn't master the cheat, they set a goal and simply went all in to get it while conservatives sat around hoping. Hope is not a plan. Do they cheat now, yeah but then isn't now and that isn't how they got to where they are. They are focused, organized and cohesive. They don't turn over every liberal or roll over every time they are confronted. In that respect they are more like family than republicans are who think some facade of a higher ethic is going to make a difference.

Where are you running to that has something so much better that you honestly think it will remain that way? Go ahead, talk to the people who have been where you are headed and ask them if its the same as it was 20-30 years ago. They'll tell you compared to then this is the pits.

This forum revolves around guns so how many who have bugged out would have done so were the gun laws here no so restrictive? I bet plenty because what you see around here is a the single issue voter. Can't buy that new fancy AR? Well crap Martha, we're moving.

Conservatives lost what they had, no one took it from them. Conservatives love to blame everyone else for things they don't have or laws that negatively affect them or rights denied. The sad truth is it all happened while they sat around watching it happen and then when it became too much they did what losers do, they run away.

So tell me, how is it that conservatives in California will bug out and go somewhere else but conservatives anywhere else won't come here? Think about it. Had conservatives done what liberals have done, pack the state none of this would be happening.

So you see, you aren't leaving anything behind, you are going to a place where the people wouldn't lift a finger to help save a part of the union yet you think it's better there. They don't want you and if you ask, deep down that is what they'll tell you. They don't see you as conservatives, they see you as modern liberals who like guns.

The difference between winning and losing is that the winners are willing to go all in and do what is necessary to win while the losers have some misguided ideal that they have standards and their ethics and morality can't be compromised. Newsflash, all your ethics and morality became compromised the instant you quit.

Democrats didn't steal a darn thing, Republicans gave it away. The same thing is already happening in those other so-called free states.
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I’m going to a Free State where I can enjoy non-neutered guns, my fishing, driving my Corvette and riding my Haley’s at decent speeds on uncongested roads, enjoy my bowling habit without choking on a stupid mask, and pursue plenty of music opportunities in filled bars not requiring the vaxxed zombies.

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Here's why they keep failing in states like California. It's similar to why they are now failing in my current state of residence, Virginia. And the Republicans can change this if they really want to.
It's like saying that Republicans failed in Chicago because they don't control any part of the government.

You have a supermajority black areas, virtually all people are Democrats, all elected officials are black, all elected officials are Democrats. The Democrats won 100%. It's been like this for decades. It's the definition of the "government of the people, by the people, for the people." That should be the black man's ideal society, with complete control of his own destiny, all government in line with his own views and his own values...

Republicans didn't "fail" in Chicago. The people got exactly what they wanted, what they asked for and what they voted for. Republicans moved out, including the black Republicans (and there are many of them), the left Democrats in their ideal social justice utopian world. I assume you're elated that Democrats, with their great ideas, have full control there, devoid of "evil Republicans," where they can make the world a better place...

Democrats are "winning" and creating their utopian worlds. The streets of San Francisco is exactly what they wanted, it's exactly what they got. Why would any Republican who doesn't live there want in any way to clear up that cluster @#$@4ck? None of our business.

I say, let Democrats win whatever they want to win. My job is to prevent them from being able to touch me. That might mean moving sometimes, it might mean changing how I do things, but it's no different than how I mitigate risk from violent crime or home invasion - vigilance and planning. My individual freedoms are why I live, that's what I intend to fight for.
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Conservatives lost what they had, no one took it from them. Conservatives love to blame everyone else for things they don't have or laws that negatively affect them or rights denied. The sad truth is it all happened while they sat around watching it happen and then when it became too much they did what losers do, they run away.
Conservatives don't complain about what they don't have. And our freedoms are not yours to take away. If we followed that simple formula, there would be no problem whoever runs the government.
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Conservatives don't complain about what they don't have. And our freedoms are not yours to take away. If we followed that simple formula, there would be no problem whoever runs the government.
What's with not yours to take away. First, I'm not taking anything nor trying to. If you read you'd know.

If we followed that simple formula. Either play by the rules everyone else does or lose, that's what's simple. Its the ol cliche of not bringing a knife to a gunfight. They don't care if it legal or moral or ethical, they are all in. So you can say you'll stick to your higher ethics and morality and lose everything. This is why we have been losing to every two bit terrorist operation out there, we play by some higher set of rules and they do not. So we sacrifice in the name of what, morality, humanity? None of that matters if you aren't around and become extinct.

Did the people who founded this country play by the higher ethics and morals? Had they done so none of us would be here worried about some stupid gun control laws.

Conservatives don't complain? There is an entire conservative complaining industry- same as the liberals have except they control the media and conservatives sit around wringing their hands on forums and listening to podcasts.

Name one state where liberals are leaving because they are getting their clocks cleaned by conservatives. There isn't one, don't bother. You know what they do? They import more liberals but one thing they don't do and we conservatives could watch and learn from is never give an inch and never retreat. When liberals get beat they shore up, collect money and go at it again, and again, and again. What do conservatives do? Pack up and run away to another state.

It can be said we don't want to be like them, no we can become extinct including in those states people are running away to. Where do they go when the liberals move on them there too, Iceland?
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It will get progressively harder to hide from the socialists, even in a current free state. Socialists have built a welfare state (voter base) that now numbers nearly 60 million. There are another 25 million or so human infrastructure (Nadlers term for illegals) soon to be added to the welfare state (voting block). Presto, 90 million or so voters that dependably vote to keep welfare checks coming = any candidate with a "D" next to the name.

How long will free states be able to overcome the resettlement of millions of both current and potential welfare recipients now streaming across the border? Texas is the #1 target because once they have enough welfare recipients there, they'll never lose another national election. Although we may already be at that point with their Dominion machines. Then spread the socialist plague, coming to a free state near you.
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SoJ.. split the damn state already.

We here have not been represented for longer than I can remember.
Spit California, Oregon, Washington and Nevada and the lefties enclaves would
die of starvation. They cannot last with the red counties. They are leeches.
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It's like saying that Republicans failed in Chicago because they don't control any part of the government.

You have a supermajority black areas, virtually all people are Democrats, all elected officials are black, all elected officials are Democrats. The Democrats won 100%. It's been like this for decades. It's the definition of the "government of the people, by the people, for the people." That should be the black man's ideal society, with complete control of his own destiny, all government in line with his own views and his own values...
How unfortunate that the GOP officials don't see it the same way you just laid it out. That's what I'm saying; they're not getting into those "supermajority Black areas", making their case to them, and actually listening to them as well.

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Republicans didn't "fail" in Chicago. The people got exactly what they wanted, what they asked for and what they voted for. Republicans moved out, including the black Republicans (and there are many of them), the left Democrats in their ideal social justice utopian world. I assume you're elated that Democrats, with their great ideas, have full control there, devoid of "evil Republicans," where they can make the world a better place...
If you assume that, then you're making an *** of you, not of me, because I'm not elated about that at all. The Democrats are doing that crap here in Virginia as well, as I previously pointed out. Unfortunately, the Republicans here, and in other states, are making themselves unpalatable with the stuff I previously mentioned, and that's a big reason why they lost here, too.

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Democrats are "winning" and creating their utopian worlds. The streets of San Francisco is exactly what they wanted, it's exactly what they got. Why would any Republican who doesn't live there want in any way to clear up that cluster @#$@4ck? None of our business.
Why? Because you're next. Virginia demonstrates that. Up until very recently, VA was largely Republican-run. Well, that mindset of "The South Shall RAAAAAAHHHHHHSE Again!" doesn't work anymore, and now it's run by Democrats. Way to go, GOP. The GOP has to do better than that if they don't want what's currently going on in San Francisco to end up in your neighborhood as well.

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I say, let Democrats win whatever they want to win. My job is to prevent them from being able to touch me. That might mean moving sometimes, it might mean changing how I do things, but it's no different than how I mitigate risk from violent crime or home invasion - vigilance and planning. My individual freedoms are why I live, that's what I intend to fight for.
All the more reason for you, and the rest of the GOP, to get into those majority-Black and majority-Latino neighborhoods, make your case to them, and listen to them. You start by showing up. I don't understand why there's so much GOP resistance to doing this....
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Unfortunately i have come to the same conclusion… this once-magnificent state is a lost cause, likely for the remainder of my lifetime. They say the pendulum swings, and I hope that is true, but I doubt I’ll see that in the time I have left.

My wife is finally on board also, extremely reluctantly, as she could never envision leaving up until very recently. She is now ready to GTFO ASAP.

I expect that we will out within the next six months, or sooner. We have a target location identified and are looking at all aspects so that we make the change with eyes wide open.

We are more fortunate than many, in that we are in a position and mindset to do so.

I pray for everyone here and hope things turn around one day.

Before you move, RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH... research the state... the governor.. the D.C. politicians.. the mayors.. city councils.. the sheriff of the county ... crime rates etc.. that's what I am doing currently.. this is my last year here.. i'll be gone by next summer.. I can move TODAY but I am researching the small things before I make the move..

maybe lease for the first year... to see how everything plays out..
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It will get progressively harder to hide from the socialists, even in a current free state. Socialists have built a welfare state (voter base) that now numbers nearly 60 million. There are another 25 million or so human infrastructure (Nadlers term for illegals) soon to be added to the welfare state (voting block). Presto, 90 million or so voters that dependably vote to keep welfare checks coming = any candidate with a "D" next to the name.

How long will free states be able to overcome the resettlement of millions of both current and potential welfare recipients now streaming across the border? Texas is the #1 target because once they have enough welfare recipients there, they'll never lose another national election. Although we may already be at that point with their Dominion machines. Then spread the socialist plague, coming to a free state near you.
you just proved my point that we need to circle the wagons WHERE WE CAN STILL HAVE DUE PROCESS...

its not here in CA
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How unfortunate that the GOP officials don't see it the same way you just laid it out. That's what I'm saying; they're not getting into those "supermajority Black areas", making their case to them, and actually listening to them as well.



If you assume that, then you're making an *** of you, not of me, because I'm not elated about that at all. The Democrats are doing that crap here in Virginia as well, as I previously pointed out. Unfortunately, the Republicans here, and in other states, are making themselves unpalatable with the stuff I previously mentioned, and that's a big reason why they lost here, too.



Why? Because you're next. Virginia demonstrates that. Up until very recently, VA was largely Republican-run. Well, that mindset of "The South Shall RAAAAAAHHHHHHSE Again!" doesn't work anymore, and now it's run by Democrats. Way to go, GOP. The GOP has to do better than that if they don't want what's currently going on in San Francisco to end up in your neighborhood as well.



All the more reason for you, and the rest of the GOP, to get into those majority-Black and majority-Latino neighborhoods, make your case to them, and listen to them. You start by showing up. I don't understand why there's so much GOP resistance to doing this....

well, half the Repubs are Rumsfeld types.. just looking to get on major boards of any fortune 500 that's the elephant in the room..
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so badly want to move, but we have no mortgage and wife says as long as kids are here and we can afford it we are staying. She agrees we will move someday, but I fear it may be too late by then.
it will be too late.. there will be a HUGE acceleration of conservative migrants solidifying red states.... the housing market there will show this and it will be even that much more expensive.. and it will happen RAPIDLY.. people are just frozen right now not really making major moves ... but they will...
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Leaving the state is about as loser as it gets.

So the idea is to leave the state, consolidate in another state and right some battle. Ok, to do what exactly? What battle are you going to fight in some other state - a battle for California? You left so you can't fight diddly squat, you ran away thinking anyone else wants you when all they see is another semi-conservative loser who bugged out, just the way it is.

You are willing to admit and concede an entire state because you can't compete? Then you expect people in another state to say welcome to the team? No one wants losers on their team or anyone who runs away.

You are admitting what the democrats did you cannot?

Why don't a large number of conservatives from other states move into California and help change the politics? You see it works both ways but instead of admitting you aren't as capable as the democrats you called for reinforcements. What braintrust thinks retreating is the way to win anything? No matter what state you bug out to they will follow and do there what they did here. Instead, reinforce California, do what they did - you're not up to it or are acknowledging you are less than they are?

If the same number of people who leave instead come to California the politics could change - it isn't like we have hurricanes, tornadoes and huge floods, blizzards and rain most of the year. Earthquakes? Get real, there are many more hurricanes tornadoes flooding and such destruction in other states than there are here and Idaho now has fires too.

Be the quitter because that is how California got to where it is - the quitters stayed home and didn't vote, they sat around watching some ball game.

There is so much talk around here about the Founding Fathers and the intent and the 2nd/A and all that yet you will give up a part of the union because you can't stand up and instead tuck your tail and run and then think you are any better than a refugee from some third world country looking for someone else to save you?

The faster all the quitters bug out the better. Eventually only the strong will remain and if all is eventually lost then so be it but not because the strong ran like cowards but because the cowards ran.

Coward is a strong term. Just what do you call someone who runs and then says they will take up the good fight somewhere else when all they really think about is some AR build they can make because it's all they have?
You're crazy if you think we can fight our way to conservatism here in CA... you're literally fkking crazy no offense ... we are on the same team... I know how you feel... trust me
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I cannot see one valid reason why a person would not register and influence the Republican Party. Democrats registration is at 42% GOP @24%
What I see are flat out cowards and chicken ****s afraid to be put down by the vicious democrat machine.
Bu Bu But Ja there are RINOs who will not stand up to the man.

Not one brainless, illiterate, dummy who registers Libertarian or Independent has ever read the Republican or democrat platform.
That being said every democrat, will praise you 3rd party types, as being a good boy deserving a pat on the head.

Every person who leaves this state, leaves for a REPUBLICAN led state ! Let that sink in you 3rd party dunces!
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You know, the Republicans do have some good ideas. Not all of them, of course, but there are some. Lower government involvement in private lives is one of those.

Here's why they keep failing in states like California. It's similar to why they are now failing in my current state of residence, Virginia. And the Republicans can change this if they really want to.

First, many, many minority voters, especially Black voters, consider the Republican Party the modern-day equivalent of George Wallace and Bull Connor. And there are very good reasons why that is. The Republicans actually seem *afraid* of especially Black people, to the point that they're unwilling to go to where large populations of them live, talk (and *LISTEN*) with them, and make their case. The Democrats do that. The Republicans...don't.

Republican refusal to repudiate the Confederacy is another big one. The Germans did the right thing by repudiating Nazism. But for some reason, many (especially White) Republicans hang on to this "Lost Cause of Dixie" mindset. As the son of a Black man, there's no way in Hell that any of my family, myself includes, is going to vote for a Confederacy-worshiper. The Republicans need to drop that.

In the case of Latinos, it's this automatic assumption that I constantly see that anyone who "looks Hispanic" and happens to speak Spanish is here illegally. I've eye-witnessed this happen far, far too many times to count. "Goddam illegal..." I keep hearing muttered or outright said a lot of times when a brown-skinned, Native American-looking family happens to walk by. Make no mistake, they are well aware of that mindset. They also know those folks with that mindset tend to vote Republican.

Finally, in order to effectively "be allowed" to run as a Republican, you've got to be a CHREEESCH-CHUN! No non-Christians allowed! How do I know this? By going to local Republican Party gatherings and talking with the people there. That sort of bigotry's just gotta go, folks. We are a secular nation, not a "Christian nation", and given the Salem Witch Trials back when we were officially a "Christian nation", I hope we always remain a secular nation.

I know, you don't like hearing this, and, well, the truth hurts sometimes. You've still got to face it and fix it, though, if you want the hope of ever winning states like California again.

This is why the Republicans lost Virginia. This is why Bloom-boy's influence actually worked here. And the same thing is happening in the states of Washington and Oregon as well. Just look.
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Before you move, RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH... research the state... the governor.. the D.C. politicians.. the mayors.. city councils.. the sheriff of the county ... crime rates etc.. that's what I am doing currently.. this is my last year here.. i'll be gone by next summer.. I can move TODAY but I am researching the small things before I make the move..

maybe lease for the first year... to see how everything plays out..
I will bet you are a 3rd party loser , who will pollute the next state you move into !
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What shocks me is the SOS reports there were 9,137,428 votes cast in the recall with a total of 22,047,448 (https://ballotpedia.org/Gavin_Newsom) registered voters. That's about ~42% of the total registered voters actually voted.
This isn't surprising at all. Special Elections historically have lower registered voter turnout than presidential or midterm elections, with only the 2003 gubernatorial recall (which was a different animal) having anything resembling midterm or presidential election numbers. See the historical voter registration and participation table:

https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/sov...ticipation.pdf
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Maybe the Republicans are so convinced that the "one person, one vote" concept has been so hijacked by the Democrats that even identifying as a Republican puts a bullseye on their ballots. It's just safer to not identify as any party and then vote in person for the candidate you choose, instead of having a candidate chosen for you.
Of course is safer to not identify as a Republican and hiding is a great American tradition.
Remember when the British demanded John Paul Jones surrender ? His reply " I have not yet began to hide" ..
Or Patrick Henry. " Give Me Liberty, or Give Me a Hiding Place .

Thomas Jefferson " The strongest reason too retain the right to hide, is to protect yourself against Tyranny in govt".

Those who refuse to identify as Republican out of fear, thats every 3rd party coward. Should realize living in fear of majority elected, will not end well for them or their posterity.

I would think even the dumbest cal gunner can figure out that democrats going after RKBA is only the 1st step to a life so horrible, if you were armed you would shoot them.

Its ONLY the Republican Party that is stopping this diabolical plan.
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Republicans have run out of excuses. They are as powerless and irrelevant as the Whigs were in the early 1850's.

All their so called platforms are now ignored. All they have to offer is "we aren't those other guys".
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All the more reason for you, and the rest of the GOP, to get into those majority-Black and majority-Latino neighborhoods, make your case to them, and listen to them. You start by showing up. I don't understand why there's so much GOP resistance to doing this....
Let's reverse this so that you can see the problem with your line of thinking.

Let's say there is a majority white neighborhood, living not only in poverty, but in a third-world violence levels, drugs everywhere, no families, no education, hostile to others, racist and intolerant of anyone with a different skin color to the point that if anyone non-white walks there he will be heckled based on his race, then likely attacked and possibly killed. Now, let's say they are all Republican, they all voted for Republican policies, they all agree with Republican platform. Further, all of their representatives are white Republicans, from the local community, they all have overwhelming support in every election. Literally everything is local, everything is politically and racially aligned and the people have exactly what they wanted - a white Republican utopia with all the Republican policies and all the consequences of such policies. And, let's say that this has been going on for decades.

Now let's say that this utopian society says "well, our lives and our community suck, it's all Democrats' fault." You look at them as if they have just landed in a spaceship from Mars and ask for clarification. They double down with "if only those Black Democrats, who can't even walk safely down a street here, came here with their ideas that we've been flatly rejecting for decades, maybe they could save us." Save from whom? From yourself? You already have all that you wanted...

That's why it's none of my business to try to win or control Chicago. I don't lose anything by not going where I'm not wanted and by letting people live with the consequences of their choices. My goal is not to control others, my goal is to live my life free of others' interference and mandates.

I'm actually quite surprised that you would think anyone needs to go to those communities and present ideas. Those communities are not controlled from the outside, by outside politics or politicians. Those communities have precisely what they asked for.

Are you saying that Chicago is not a good place to live and that black community needs help? I thought they couldn't get enough of Democrats and their policies. After all, they vote 90%+ for them...
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