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Just like trapp said. Probably some oil added. But definitely not refinished. I picked up a 92 carbine in 25-20 not too long ago. Paid 1500. I'll post pics. Mirror bore!!!
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Where are you guys finding brass and/or ammo for 25/20?
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Model 94 Serial #1918510
Model 94 Serial #4629915
9422M Serial #F263415
Model 63 Serial # 175430

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Third shelf down, on the right.
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Model 94 Serial #1918510, made 1938, with 39,570 made that year.

Model 94 Serial #4629915, made in 1978.

9422M Serial #F263415 made in 1976.

Model 63 Serial # 175430, check your numbers, last made was ser# 174692
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So - serious answer......

Back when Speer was making the 75gr Hot-Cor flat nosed jacketed bullet for this caliber, it was a "seasonal only" offering. I kept my notifications active, and when Midway sent the notification I bought 1500 of them. Good thing, too.... because Speer never made them again. I have about 1,000 left, but after that......

No one makes the brass anymore, either. I've been lucky enough to find brass on the secondary market here and there, and have about 400 cases. Reforming from 32-20 is possible but the loss rate for me is about 30%, because the brass is so thin at the neck.
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So.... since I’m in your neck of the woods this week, let me know when you won’t be home, and I’ll help myself!

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No one makes the brass anymore, either. I've been lucky enough to find brass on the secondary market here and there, and have about 400 cases. Reforming from 32-20 is possible but the loss rate for me is about 30%, because the brass is so thin at the neck.
That's why I asked, I'm hearing this all over for 25/20, and 32/20 as well.
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So.... since I?m in your neck of the woods this week, let me know when you won?t be home, and I?ll help myself!
Why don't you stop by when I am home, and say hi? I'm right on the border of Ada and Gem county, just over the hill from Emmett. Emmett has a decent range too, if you want ot go shoot.

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That's why I asked, I'm hearing this all over for 25/20, and 32/20 as well.
I thought Starline was still making 32-20 brass? I know I've called them a few times to get them to make 25-20 brass, but they steadfastly insist that there is no market. I tried to explain (to no avail) that the SASS crowd and the lever gun silhouette crowd would line up to buy all they made.
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In my shed! hahahaha
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That's why I asked, I'm hearing this all over for 25/20, and 32/20 as well.
Have you tried Steve from https://loadxammo.com/

I ordered 500 rounds of 25-22 and 218bee from him. Starline brass. I'm pretty sure he as 32-20 as well.
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Thanks Manny, forgot about them! Passed the link along to the friends that were looking.
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Nope.

Checked there, he says "no longer being made". If he has the brass, he ain't admitting it let alone selling it.
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...I thought Starline was still making 32-20 brass? I know I've called them a few times to get them to make 25-20 brass, but they steadfastly insist that there is no market. I tried to explain (to no avail) that the SASS crowd and the lever gun silhouette crowd would line up to buy all they made.
Did you ask them what the minimum order would need to be in order for them to set up a production line?

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Checked there, he says "no longer being made". If he has the brass, he ain't admitting it let alone selling it.
I may have got the last run of them from him then. I ordered 500 rounds about a year ago.

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I may have got the last run of them from him then. I ordered 500 rounds about a year ago.

No worries, I have 300 loaded rounds and 250 pieces of new brass in reserve.
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Just for you, Trap.

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Made early in 1913, 53,082 made that year. Nice! Finally found that .44/40 you been looking for!
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...for a price I was willing to pay. I've had my hands on others, including an antique one. But the sellers and I could not come to terms.

This one is a decent example, and the bore is so shiny I need sunglasses to look at it. I hope it's a shooter!
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I thought Starline was still making 32-20 brass? I know I've called them a few times to get them to make 25-20 brass, but they steadfastly insist that there is no market. I tried to explain (to no avail) that the SASS crowd and the lever gun silhouette crowd would line up to buy all they made.
You might try Load-X ammunition in Santa Rosa, Ca. They seem to have a lot of rare and difficult to find calibers.
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You might try Load-X ammunition in Santa Rosa, Ca. They seem to have a lot of rare and difficult to find calibers.
Actually, I did call them just to see. They said "no" for selling just brass.

It's OK though - I'm flush with all the brass and bullets I need for the foreseeable future.
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1886 Winchester question.. A neighbor just got a 1886 Winchester from his Father. It's in 45-70 and has a 26" octagon barrel and a factory nickel receiver. It was made in 1892 according to it's SN.

It's in it's original condition. There is about 65% of the original nickel finish remaining on the receiver and lever.

The remaining metal is blue with approx 75% of the original finish remaining. The bore is bright and shiny. the action is smooth and functions smartly as it should. Nicks and dings in the stock.

I know little about these, but I know the guns with nickel receivers are rare.

I don't have pic's (yet) but am asking about a wide range of values.

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SVT, my bet is, what is perceived as a worn nickle finish, isn't. 1886's were color cased, and when worn and faded, it has a dull silver color.
A factory nickle is extremely rare, special order option only, and almost always was ordered with a host of other options.
There's quite few floating around that have been refinished, with a nickle receiver too. If it is a factory finish, you would need a Cody Letter to prove it, or it's just a cool story with the rifle.
Any pre 64 1886 that shoots, and retains some finish, will bring $1K. Options, and condition, can bring 10-20 times that much.
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SVT, my bet is, what is perceived as a worn nickle finish, isn't. 1886's were color cased, and when worn and faded, it has a dull silver color.
A factory nickle is extremely rare, special order option only, and almost always was ordered with a host of other options.
There's quite few floating around that have been refinished, with a nickle receiver too. If it is a factory finish, you would need a Cody Letter to prove it, or it's just a cool story with the rifle.
Any pre 64 1886 that shoots, and retains some finish, will bring $1K. Options, and condition, can bring 10-20 times that much.
Looking forward to seeing the pics!
It's definitely nickel and original. It's a nice rifle. I will try and get some photos. It's a 26" octagon barrel in 45-70.
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Pic's of the 1886 as well as two others. a 94 in 30WCF and a Marlin 1893 in 32-40.



















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I recently acquired this 1873 .22. At first, due to the lack of a loading gate, I wasn't sure what it was(I hadn't cleaned it up at all at that point). Low and behold, I pick up the latest issue of American Rifleman and there is an article telling the story of the 1873, including the run of 22 Longs. That motivated me to start a little clean up to expose the markings.

My Google fu shows date of manufacture as 1890. But that date comes from the 1873 list. Does anyone know if that would be correct? I couldn't find and reference to the 22 models.

Also, does anyone have a source for a butt stock, preferably original? I plan to hang it on the wall, but it would sure look better complete.
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Pic's of the 1886 as well as two others. a 94 in 30WCF and a Marlin 1893 in 32-40.
1886 was made early in 1893, and it is plated, a long time ago. Now we need to find out if it was one of the 229.
1894 was made mid to late 1909
1893 says 1906 according to Brophy, he did a pretty good job sorting out that mess of Marlin records.
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Heatseeker, that's enough to make a grown man cry!
Who let it get like that?
Between 1873, and 1933, there were 720,610 Model 1873's made. A little more than 19,000 were made in .22 Short, and .22 Long. Introduced in 1884, and discontinued in 1904, it was the first .22 rimfire repeater in the US.
In 75% condition or better, they're a 5 figure rifle! Sold new in 1885 for $20!
That one was made in 1891, with 38,901 1873's made that year.
A while back on another forum, a guy wanted an ID on his grandpa's rusty old .22, that had been in the back of the closet for the last 80-100yrs. Other than some frosty rust that cleaned right off, the gun was in great condition. He figured it was just a $50 wall hanger. He may have crapped himself when I told him what it was, and what it was worth.
I've got a buttstock that a horse chewed off the whole butt plate while it was in the saddle scabbard. Yours if you want it for a wall hanger.
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Trap, I can't really say how it ended up like that. A very close friend of my dad's who has fallen ill had it in his safe. He also has three pristine Weatherbys, a Rock Ola M1 carbine, a 1970's Model 94 and a gorgeous sporterized Winchester 1895 US Model 30. I am helping his wife sell everything off to help offset care costs. She wanted me to have the 1895, which her grandfather brought back from WW1. I will post pics of that one in the near future.

I asked the wife the story on the 73. She said she seems to remember her husband finding it on a hunting trip, but wasn't positive about that. Unfortunately, he couldn't answer any questions when I was there last.

I'd love to have the chewed up stock.
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As previously mentioned, I was gifted this sporterized 1895 US Model 30, serial # 66312. I have finally found a minute to take and post a pic.

It is too bad that the originality of the rifle has been lost, but the sport job really is nicely done. The bluing is beautiful.

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Made in 1909, with 3,768 made that year. Sold for $30 brand new.
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Caliber? That's nice! What did you sell to finance it?
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Meh...... it's OK, if you like that sort of thing.












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Caliber? That's nice! What did you sell to finance it?
25-20 WCF And i have lots of ammo for it!
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