2022 08 01 Boland V Bonta - Handgun Roster : Appeal to 9th 3-27 - Page 36

Offwidth · #**1401** 11-09-2023, 2:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ar15barrels

We are not seeing any handguns come off the roster under the 3-for-1 provision because the 3-for-1 provision requires the newly rostered handgun to have microstamping.

After January it does not. New law signed in does not require microstamping until 2028, so 3 : 1 will go into effect.

TruOil · #**1402** 11-09-2023, 2:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Offwidth

After January it does not. New law signed in does not require microstamping until 2028, so 3 : 1 will go into effect.

What effect does Renna have on this issue? I understand that the trial court's finding of unconstitutionality is up on appeal and the writ of mandate was stayed, but isn't this the same issue? And if so, how does the State justify the law without admitting that its purpose is to eliminate semi-auto firearms in the state over time, in direct contravention of the 2A and despite the fact that the three removed presumptively satisfy the requirements of the Roster law?

splithoof · #**1403** 11-09-2023, 2:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ugimports

Not really...before these new rostered P365s the off-roster were still selling for < $2k in the marketplace.

The figure of ten thousand dollars was a troll. But it wouldn?t surprise me after seeing what a Stacatto or Taran Tactical Glock can fetch hahaha

AlmostHeaven · #**1404** 11-09-2023, 5:00 PM

The worst part about the handgun roster is law enforcement getting to sell off-roster guns for profit.

ugimports · #**1405** 11-09-2023, 5:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AlmostHeaven

The worst part about the handgun roster is law enforcement getting to sell off-roster guns for profit.

You can sell an off-roster gun for profit too though.

Dvrjon · #**1406** 11-09-2023, 5:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AlmostHeaven

The worst part about the handgun roster is law enforcement getting to sell off-roster guns for profit.

That has been somewhat quelled by recent legislation and the arrest/prosecution of LEOs for flipping off roster guns.

AlmostHeaven · #**1407** 11-09-2023, 6:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dvrjon

That has been somewhat quelled by recent legislation and the arrest/prosecution of LEOs for flipping off roster guns.

I see. My position is that law enforcement officers and ordinary civilians should live under the same gun laws.

Dvrjon · #**1408** 11-09-2023, 6:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AlmostHeaven

I see. My position is that law enforcement officers and ordinary civilians should live under the same gun laws.

That is a different argument with which I agree. But it does not track with your earlier comment:

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Originally Posted by AlmostHeaven

The worst part about the handgun roster is law enforcement getting to sell off-roster guns for profit.

The laws favor LEO in acquisition of off-roster firearms, not their sales.

As noted by others, we can also sell off-roster guns for a profit. I have a number of off roster guns but I elect to keep them.

The inequity is access to inventory not sales.

So, I would posit that the most egregious part of the roster is the inequitable restriction on inventory which is fully slanted to LEO.

Offwidth · #**1409** 11-11-2023, 7:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TruOil

What effect does Renna have on this issue? I understand that the trial court's finding of unconstitutionality is up on appeal and the writ of mandate was stayed, but isn't this the same issue? And if so, how does the State justify the law without admitting that its purpose is to eliminate semi-auto firearms in the state over time, in direct contravention of the 2A and despite the fact that the three removed presumptively satisfy the requirements of the Roster law?

State does not justify anything. They can, and they do. They elected not to fight microstamping right now, to increase their chances not to be slapped with a preliminary injuction on entire roster (worked, apparently), but just adopted a new law. that can not be currently challenged that will add it back "if feasible" by 2028. Side effect is that 3:1 can go into effect in January.

ExuberantRaptorZeta · #**1410** 11-16-2023, 4:26 PM

A bunch more just added to the roster thanks to this case!!

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/certifie...recently-added

Definitely gonna pick up a S&W M&P9 2.0.

Drivedabizness · #**1411** 11-16-2023, 4:43 PM

Nice but the so-called "Roster" is still unconstitutional on its face. Law abiding citizens are entitled to state of the art weapons of their choice

ExuberantRaptorZeta · #**1412** 11-16-2023, 4:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Drivedabizness

Nice but the so-called "Roster" is still unconstitutional on its face. Law abiding citizens are entitled to state of the art weapons of their choice

Completely agree, but gotta celebrate the little wins along the way back to full freedom.

Sgt Raven · #**1413** 11-16-2023, 5:04 PM

New roster pistols. I wish it was the Hellcat Pro instead of the Hellcat.

Offwidth · #**1414** 11-16-2023, 5:06 PM

I will never buy a gun with magazine disconnect safety. Well, I do own one currently - Walter P22 I got for my son, and it is the worst idea ever.

ASD1 · #**1415** 11-16-2023, 5:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sgt Raven

New roster pistols. I wish it was the Hellcat Pro instead of the Hellcat.

the pro is also on the list

Sgt Raven · #**1416** 11-16-2023, 5:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Offwidth

I will never buy a gun with magazine disconnect safety. Well, I do own one currently - Walter P22 I got for my son, and it is the worst idea ever.

I haven't changed my 1st gen M&P .45 with a mag disconnect. All I need is a spring S&W used when it doesn't have the mag disconnect. I can get the OEM part needed for $10 on eBay. Posts about it has prompted me to look into doing it. There are YouTube videos on how to change it.

Sgt Raven · #**1417** 11-16-2023, 5:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ASD1

the pro is also on the list

Damn this is going to cost me money. When it came out, I gave my son the money to buy one for his birthday present last year. I thought, if I can't have one, I could carry & shoot his when I visit them.

ETA: I just checked and the Pro version isn't on the roster right now. Just the regular Hellcat.

AlmostHeaven · #**1418** 11-16-2023, 6:00 PM

The Smith & Wesson M&P 2.0 series is fantastic. These are some excellent additions to the roster, especially the Smith & Wesson M&P9 Shield M2.0.

ritter · #**1419** 11-16-2023, 7:12 PM

Are M&P 1.0 and 2.0 mags compatible?

Sgt Raven · #**1420** 11-16-2023, 9:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ritter

Are M&P 1.0 and 2.0 mags compatible?

According to this video they are.

ritter · #**1421** 11-17-2023, 6:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Sgt Raven

According to this video they are.

Thanks. Late night googling confirms.

ugimports · #**1422** 11-17-2023, 7:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Sgt Raven

Damn this is going to cost me money. When it came out, I gave my son the money to buy one for his birthday present last year. I thought, if I can't have one, I could carry & shoot his when I visit them.

ETA: I just checked and the Pro version isn't on the roster right now. Just the regular Hellcat.

If your son lives out of state he can gift you any off roster pistol you want that isn't an AW.

xCaliChris · #**1423** 11-17-2023, 7:37 AM

Cmon glock 40! Want a long slide 10mm

Poltergeist · #**1424** 11-17-2023, 8:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sgt Raven

Damn this is going to cost me money. When it came out, I gave my son the money to buy one for his birthday present last year. I thought, if I can't have one, I could carry & shoot his when I visit them.

ETA: I just checked and the Pro version isn't on the roster right now. Just the regular Hellcat.

The Pro is on list. Do a search for Hellcat. It will show the Pro and the Micro.

ugimports · #**1425** 11-17-2023, 8:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Poltergeist

The Pro is on list. Do a search for Hellcat. It will show the Pro and the Micro.

9Cal_OC · #**1426** 11-17-2023, 8:37 AM

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Originally Posted by xCaliChris

Cmon glock 40! Want a long slide 10mm

Glock won?t do the necessary changes to get their firearms on the roster.

Can?t blame them. Hopefully S&W steps up.

Sgt Raven · #**1427** 11-17-2023, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ugimports

I looked yesterday afternoon and it wasn't there. It was updated after 5:45 PM yesterday.

Offwidth · #**1428** 11-17-2023, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 9Cal_OC

Glock won?t do the necessary changes to get their firearms on the roster.

Can?t blame them. Hopefully S&W steps up.

Good for Glock. Shame on S&W for bending over. I guess what one can expect after the Hillary Hole.

Sgt Raven · #**1429** 11-17-2023, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Offwidth

Good for Glock. Shame on S&W for bending over. I guess what one can expect after the Hillary Hole.

S&W has had mag disconnect for years on some of their pistols. Long before it was a requirement to sell. It's something Gunnies have been arguing about since the Browning High Power came out.

AlmostHeaven · #**1430** 11-17-2023, 1:00 PM

Why does every gun have an expiration date of January 1, 2024?

ExuberantRaptorZeta · #**1431** 11-17-2023, 1:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AlmostHeaven

Why does every gun have an expiration date of January 1, 2024?

All guns on the roster expire at the end of each year. It's like $20 to re-add them each year, which every manufacture always does.

AlmostHeaven · #**1432** 11-17-2023, 3:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ExuberantRaptorZeta

All guns on the roster expire at the end of each year. It's like $20 to re-add them each year, which every manufacture always does.

I see. The state certainly does not miss any opportunity to charge another de facto tax on the firearms industry.

Jodykid · #**1433** 11-17-2023, 4:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sgt Raven

S&W has had mag disconnect for years on some of their pistols. Long before it was a requirement to sell. It's something Gunnies have been arguing about since the Browning High Power came out.

Just FYI my S&W 659 made from the early seventies to the early eighties has a mag lock so it's nothing new to S&W.

Joe

Sgt Raven · #**1434** 11-17-2023, 4:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jodykid

Just FYI my S&W 659 made from the early seventies to the early eighties has a mag lock so it's nothing new to S&W.

Joe

Before posting about it, I had to go search to be sure. The S&W Model 39 from 1954 had a magazine disconnect safety. That was what I remembered but I wanted to find something to back it up.

JiuJitsu · #**1435** 11-19-2023, 7:15 PM

So when can we expect a ridiculous opinion from the hostile 9th Circus motions panel denying the two roster preliminary injunctions and completely ignoring Heller and Bruen? Not that I want that at all of course, but this IS the 9th with a long history of this stupidity.

I fully expect no common use test, no THT, asserting the plaintiffs are not likely to succeed on the merits, and vast amounts of interest balancing balancing to justify it all.

I hope I?m wrong and this PI gets fully upheld. Hopefully we hear something soon.

AlmostHeaven · #**1436** 11-20-2023, 10:00 AM

I reckon we will not see anything until 2024. The handgun roster microstamping requirement is tricky to uphold, even for shameless progressive activists.

TruOil · #**1437** 11-20-2023, 1:40 PM

I got an email today that the Springfield Hellcat has joined the roster.

Oneaudiopro · #**1438** 11-20-2023, 1:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sgt Raven

Before posting about it, I had to go search to be sure. The S&W Model 39 from 1954 had a magazine disconnect safety. That was what I remembered but I wanted to find something to back it up.

5906 as well