LASD revokes permit of guy who defended family... for "yelling"

[ACfixer]

Originally Posted by Paladin

This is a perfect example of why we need a RIGHT to carry, somehow, versus just a PERMIT to carry concealed.

We don't need a right Paladin, we HAVE a right and it's written in stone. We need for our government to quit infringing upon it.

[TrailerparkTrash]

Originally Posted by ZirconJohn

THIS ^^^ is exactly correct - there are NO truer words!

I have friends that are LE, personally know Police Chief and Sheriff of County I live in - NOT personal friends, come over your house and stuff like that - but I am very familiar with them. They are good small town people, and that's all I'll say about that.

However, Law Enforcement Officers are ABSOLUTELY NOT your friend.

Law Enforcement Officers have one job and ONE job only - and that is to collect and document what you say - that can and WILL be used against you...! Even if you have not yet been read your Rights, investigative consensual conversation can and will also be used against you.

They will say - "we are here to help you" ... YA ... help you go to jail!

Law Enforcement is there to GET YOU! - Period.

This sounds like every other criminal sitting in jail and/or prison. Been arrested alot?

[TrailerparkTrash]

Originally Posted by Dan_Eastvale

LASD is way out of line.

They can deny or revoke for whatever reason they choose??

If they demand good cause to issue then they must show good cause to revoke. And they have none!

How do you know? Until we see both sides of the story, we just don?t know. There?s been numerous others that have used a firearm with their ccw credentials and haven?t had their ccw?s stripped from them. Theres got to be more to this story for sure.

Originally Posted by Avocado Toast

Without facts it's all speculation and feeling good about hating LASD.

If the LASD acted wrong, once all the facts are revealed, then let's pound them hard for violating a CCW holder's right. I'll join with you if that's the case but facts, not feelings, matter.

^^^ This.

Originally Posted by eho0925

Ayoob is a former cop? retired captain,

Nope. That’s what he leads everyone to believe. He was a reserve ONLY. Never a full time 40+ hr/week cop. In police/sheriff’s departments, the rank of (reserve) “captain” NEVER outranks a line police officer/deputy sheriff.

Ayoob is nothing more than a scab and a police poser. He’s a book author that has done 4-5 decades of doing nothing but telling other people’s war stories. He has none of his own becasue he was never a real cop. ,,,yet he fools people to believe otherwise.

[discoii]

I would suggest watching the interview Vince did with Noir. My first comment is probably not the best idea to do an interview right after the event.

He openly admitted to not surrendering his firearm.

His IA’s written policy states he needs to do that, then he probably should have.

Not agreeing the responding officers should have demanded he relinquish his firearm, but they were likely following procedure. In his own word it sounds like he was pretty heated exchange, not surprising after what had happened.

It is also a possibility that he failed to contact and inform his IA of the incident, several reasons for informing the IA are in the written policy that would appear to apply.

Not in agreement with the need for a permit, I spend quite a bit of time in Constitutional Carry states and hope one day the Supreme Court makes that national. Mean while I pay for my CA CCW permit and try to abided by the regulations imposed until I leave or the Constitution is upheld.

[PogoJack]

Originally Posted by TrailerparkTrash

This sounds like every other criminal sitting in jail and/or prison. Been arrested alot?

Maybe he was merely paying attention in 2020?

[4SUPER9]

According to the latest Fox News story on this, the LASD recently gave them the following statement:

"The CCW permit may be immediately reinstated as long as the permit holder has also followed all required CCW policies..."

I am looking forward to the outcome of this. From what we know so far (and yes, we do not know the entire story yet), on the face if it, this is not just a violation of his second amendment rights, but his first amendment rights as well. He is being punished for speaking his mind. Doubly whammy.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by ACfixer

We don't need a right Paladin, we HAVE a right and it's written in stone.

While this is true in theory, as a practical matter until we have either the state or federal courts saying that and defending that right against infringement we have no such right.

As long as the courts support LE enforcement of unconstitutional laws, allow prosecution for violating those so-called laws, and those same courts use those same laws to convict Americans exercising that right, there is no such right. It is dead letter law.

If courts won’t defend our 2A rights from the government, we must use our 1st, 2nd and other rights to defend our rights and ourselves from our government.

[NorCalBusa]

Originally Posted by 4SUPER9

According to the latest Fox News story on this, the LASD recently gave them the following statement:

"The CCW permit may be immediately reinstated as long as the permit holder has also followed all required CCW policies..."

I am looking forward to the outcome of this. From what we know so far (and yes, we do not know the entire story yet), on the face if it, this is not just a violation of his second amendment rights, but his first amendment rights as well. He is being punished for speaking his mind. Doubly whammy.

Wow, the painful construct of that sentence boggles the mind.
1. The CCW permit may be immediately reinstated- if conditions must first be met, there is no immediacy to be had.

2. required CCW policies- so some policies are optional? Which ones?

[4SUPER9]

Originally Posted by NorCalBusa

Wow, the painful construct of that sentence boggles the mind.
1. The CCW permit may be immediately reinstated- if conditions must first be met, there is no immediacy to be had.

2. required CCW policies- so some policies are optional? Which ones?

Not so boggling. Reading between the lines, I think that the LASD realized their mistake under the scrutiny of their actions, and is trying to cover their *****es. They are likely going to reinstate it very quickly, but create some dog and pony show of formality where he has to once again agree to abide by the basic tenants of the rules, blah, blah, blah.

[XDJYo]

Originally Posted by 4SUPER9

According to the latest Fox News story on this, the LASD recently gave them the following statement:

"The CCW permit may be immediately reinstated as long as the permit holder has also followed all required CCW policies..."

I am looking forward to the outcome of this. From what we know so far (and yes, we do not know the entire story yet), on the face if it, this is not just a violation of his second amendment rights, but his first amendment rights as well. He is being punished for speaking his mind. Doubly whammy.

Here is a news article (Yahoo) with a complete quote from the Sheriffs dept.
https://news.yahoo.com/california-no...091909683.html
The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department has since released the following statement in response:

"We recognize that this incident was extremely traumatic and startling for the Ricci family and we hope the individuals responsible for this crime are arrested and held accountable.

The Department of Justice (DOJ) establishes guidelines for CCW permits and the Sheriff?s Department must follow the DOJ parameters in accordance with the law.

The CCW permit may be immediately reinstated as long as the permit holder has also followed all required CCW policies (i.e. proper notifications, use of properly documented weapon, etc.).

The DOJ has been notified and there are avenues for Mr. Ricci to re-apply for his permit. We have been in contact with the Ricci family and have been providing information to them about CCW protocols and guidelines in an effort to ensure their Second Amendment rights are protected.

The Sheriff's Department respects the rights of individuals to exercise their Second Amendment rights and continually processes over thousands of CCW permit applications and renewals every year. The Sheriff?s Department CCW Unit works diligently to track, process, and manage individuals who possess or seek CCW permits in Los Angeles County."

[9Cal_OC]

So he’d have to reapply?!

[rice_man]

Originally Posted by 9Cal_OC

So he?d have to reapply?!

I wonder how an encounter like this would affect a first time application. Sounds like good cause to me - even thought that is no longer a requirement. No charges were file his background check should be clean, right?

So all of this hubub is happening with LASD because he happens to have a valid CCW? If he didn't this would be a good shoot since this occured on his property, correct? I imagine he would have been asked to relenquish his firearm for the investigation even if he wasn't a CCW owner.

And through this all I'm wondering if he ever considered CCW insurance. It currently doesn't look like he has any representation.

[CBR_rider]

If he is so worried about a) being victimized again/specifically targeted and b) protecting himself from any potential civil/criminal cases he should be keeping a much lower profile for a time IMO. It doesn’t make right/wrong what has happened to him regarding his permit; but he has now announced that he has no permit and is making statements that will absolutely be scrutinized if his actions during that not so very long ago incident come up in court.

[MajorSideburns]

Originally Posted by XDJYo

The Sheriff's Department respects the rights of individuals to exercise their Second Amendment rights

If that was true they wouldn't enforce these illegal California laws infringing on our constitutional right to keep and bear arms. There is absolutely no constitutional basis for a CCW permit to be required, let alone the mountain of money and bureaucracy needed to obtain one.

[drdanno84]

I spoke with a couple of law enforcement friends in the LAPD, ostensibly Mr Ricci's CCW permit was revoked after the recorded fottage was viewed and evaluated by the detectives. Mr. Ricci chased and continued to fire his gun at the assailants after they ran away, thus violating CCW protocol.

[NorCalBusa]

Originally Posted by 4SUPER9

Not so boggling. Reading between the lines, I think that the LASD realized their mistake under the scrutiny of their actions, and is trying to cover their *****es. They are likely going to reinstate it very quickly, but create some dog and pony show of formality where he has to once again agree to abide by the basic tenants of the rules, blah, blah, blah.

The "boggle" to which I was referring is the abuse of the English language, not the CYA effort.

[Rustlin’ Jack]

Originally Posted by drdanno84

I spoke with a couple of law enforcement friends in the LAPD, ostensibly Mr Ricci's CCW permit was revoked after the recorded fottage was viewed and evaluated by the detectives. Mr. Ricci chased and continued to fire his gun at the assailants after they ran away, thus violating CCW protocol.

If we all watched the same video, this is a narrow-minded judgment made in haste. The criminals had him trapped in the alcove at his front door. Shooting at them forced them to retreat so he could move to the safest spot in his yard to defend himself. As Ricci moved out of the kill zone, the criminals were shooting at him.

It wasn?t like he ran down the street chasing their car while continuing to crank off rounds.

It wasn?t the first rodeo for these suspects, they have done this before and will do it again. I wonder how many people they have already killed or injured, and how many more will be victimized?

[ZirconJohn]

Originally Posted by TrailerparkTrash

This sounds like every other criminal sitting in jail and/or prison. Been arrested alot?

Five (5) DUI in the span of about 20 years from '75 to around '95

But - I'm clean/sober now since '99 and wise enough to know that Law Enforcement is NOT YOUR FRIEND!

But wait, there's more - You don't have to be arrested for 5 DUI's to know that Law Enforcement Police, Deputy, etc. have one job and one job only and that is to collect information that "...can and WILL be used against you in a Court of Law" - I mean they tell you right there that's what they are doing and yet ... what do people do? Cop says "tell me what happened, I can make it easy on you, I'll help you if you tell me"

Hhhahahaha ... ohhh okay, you are going to help me

So now how about you ... how long you been a COP?

[XDJYo]

Originally Posted by drdanno84

I spoke with a couple of law enforcement friends in the LAPD, ostensibly Mr Ricci's CCW permit was revoked after the recorded fottage was viewed and evaluated by the detectives. Mr. Ricci chased and continued to fire his gun at the assailants after they ran away, thus violating CCW protocol.

Originally Posted by Rustlin’ Jack

If we all watched the same video, this is a narrow-minded judgment made in haste. The criminals had him trapped in the alcove at his front door. Shooting at them forced them to retreat so he could move to the safest spot in his yard to defend himself. As Ricci moved out of the kill zone, the criminals were shooting at him.

It wasn?t like he ran down the street chasing their car while continuing to crank off rounds.

It wasn?t the first rodeo for these suspects, they have done this before and will do it again. I wonder how many people they have already killed or injured, and how many more will be victimized?

LAPD are a bunch of idiots. Pure and simple. If they taught ANY LEO to stay in a fatal funnel that has zero cover or concealment when the robbers are known to have firearms and are shooting at you, then they need to go out in the streets and stand by it, put their money where their mouth is. No vests, no gun, no cover, no concealment. No. Shooting. Back. if they're running away.

And, they weren't even watching the whole video. IMHO, they're grasping at straws for excuses since they stepped deep in the SH*T. They revoked his CCW because of their feelz. They were getting raked over the coals over how they handled this guys cases and they wanted to get back at him, actiing like a jilted schoolgirl. What p*ssies.

[CSACANNONEER]

Why would LASD publicly admit to a civil rights violation like a 1st Amendment retaliation case? I sure hope this ends up in Federal court.

[broadside]

Vince even said he chased the guy around the back because he was worried he would try to enter the house with his wife and baby inside from the back. Seems reasonable to me

[Kyle1886]

Originally Posted by broadside

Vince even said he chased the guy around the back because he was worried he would try to enter the house with his wife and baby inside from the back. Seems reasonable to me

According to one video it shows one of the perps going on the left side of the parked car at about the same time you could see a round hit the wall just to the left of the gate.

I have to assume that round was fired by Mr. Ricci. Shortly after Mr. Ricci appears on the right side of the auto.

It does "appear" that the perp was going to the rear of the complex but out of camera view.

Respectfully
Kyle

[Usual_Suspect]

I didn't think you needed a CCW to carry on your own property. I wonder why DOJ included this in their statement, "proper notifications, use of properly documented weapon, etc". I wasn't there, have no first hand knowledge of what was said by whom.
Now that he has to reapply, LASD will now tell him he needs to apply at LAPD since he lives in the City of Los Angeles, and not in the unincorporated area, or a contract city. That gets the Sheriff off the hook, Luna will say it's LASD Policy applicants that are residents of the City of Los Angeles, must apply with LAPD. If LAPD denies it, Luna can just say it's LAPD's decision, and refer everyone to LAPD.

[MajorSideburns]

Originally Posted by drdanno84

I spoke with a couple of law enforcement friends in the LAPD, ostensibly Mr Ricci's CCW permit was revoked after the recorded fottage was viewed and evaluated by the detectives. Mr. Ricci chased and continued to fire his gun at the assailants after they ran away, thus violating CCW protocol.

If that's indeed how they decided to revoke his CCW, that's a load of horse$h!t. You can clearly see in the video he is desperately looking for cover and a better vantage point to see where the threats are when he leaves that little enclosed walkway. He stays inside his gated property the entire time. What did they want him to do, stay inside a blind spot tunnel while the bad guys stick their arms around the corner and unload? Turn his back to the armed criminals while he fumbles around with some keys in the dark trying to unlock his front door? He has every right to secure the premises of his home while his helpless family is still inside. Not to mention, a CCW is not even REQUIRED to carry a firearm on your own property. One of the top 2A lawyers who post on this site needs to take this up immediately pro-bono.

[SkyHawk]

Originally Posted by drdanno84

I spoke with a couple of law enforcement friends in the LAPD, ostensibly Mr Ricci's CCW permit was revoked after the recorded fottage was viewed and evaluated by the detectives. Mr. Ricci chased and continued to fire his gun at the assailants after they ran away, thus violating CCW protocol.

He was trapped in a coffin - his choice was to turn his back to the attackers to try and unlock his door and get in the house, or to get out of the coffin. It is ridiculous they of all people would try and Monday-morning quarterback this event, when they are *always* given wide latitude and benefit of the doubt when they have to pull the trigger.

[XDJYo]

Originally Posted by MajorSideburns

If that's indeed how they decided to revoke his CCW, that's a load of horse$h!t. You can clearly see in the video he is desperately looking for cover and a better vantage point to see where the threats are when he leaves that little enclosed walkway. He stays inside his gated property the entire time. What did they want him to do, stay inside a blind spot tunnel while the bad guys stick their arms around the corner and unload? Turn his back to the armed criminals while he fumbles around with some keys in the dark trying to unlock his front door? He has every right to secure the premises of his home while his helpless family is still inside. Not to mention, a CCW is not even REQUIRED to carry a firearm on your own property. One of the top 2A lawyers who post on this site needs to take this up immediately pro-bono.

LAPD probably watched the video the same way they train their officers to shoot...with their eyes closed!!!

[Avocado Toast]

If what drdanno posted is correct, that strongly suggests that Ricci only released selected portions of his security footage.

The footage is his to control and release, and he might have released just the to favorable stuff to KTLA, who I think had the exclusive.

If the totality was turned over to the LAPD and then to LASD and it shows him playing John Wayne, yes, he's going to lose the permit.

My LA LEO contacts told me the same thing - he went to pursue them after the threat to him was over.

Now let's ask Ricci to release the entire footage and since everything is recorded, there's likely neighbor footage too.

Yelling was the revocation grounds? Hardly.

This is his Jussie moment and it's unraveling.

[4SUPER9]

It sounds like some people have seen the video. Is the posted online somewhere? Everyone (including me) is up in arms about him losing his CCW, but maybe there is good reason. Given the statements from the LASD, maybe they are prepared to give it back pending further discussion and clarification.

[eho0925]

Originally Posted by Avocado Toast

If what drdanno posted is correct, that strongly suggests that Ricci only released selected portions of his security footage.

The footage is his to control and release, and he might have released just the to favorable stuff to KTLA, who I think had the exclusive.

If the totality was turned over to the LAPD and then to LASD and it shows him playing John Wayne, yes, he's going to lose the permit.

My LA LEO contacts told me the same thing - he went to pursue them after the threat to him was over.

Now let's ask Ricci to release the entire footage and since everything is recorded, there's likely neighbor footage too.

Yelling was the revocation grounds? Hardly.

This is his Jussie moment and it's unraveling.

Cope a little harder for LE on this one? I don?t think the fans in the nosebleeds can hear you over the slobbering? if there was an ?issue? with use of deadly force, after? as you said, the threat was indeed ?over??. Wouldn?t that justify criminal charges against Ricci? no?

A sound use of force/deadly force expert can and will shoot holes in LA-Pee-dee?s claims he played ?John Wayne??

This is smelling of contempt of cop?

[Avocado Toast]

It's easy to be a Ricci enthusiastic over this and I'm pretty sure that you've convinced yourself that Ricci is 100% in the right and did nothing wrong in any of his action or post-action interaction with LEO. Is that about it?

Ricci controls the video. No one else does and did he release just the good parts and not the stuff where he's not wearing his white hat?

The permit is issued with Terms and Conditions. Every CA County has them. Do they or don't they apply? Ricci gets to decide which ones? The few seconds of video we all saw aren't the entire story.

[MajorSideburns]

Originally Posted by Avocado Toast

If what drdanno posted is correct, that strongly suggests that Ricci only released selected portions of his security footage.

The footage is his to control and release, and he might have released just the to favorable stuff to KTLA, who I think had the exclusive.

If the totality was turned over to the LAPD and then to LASD and it shows him playing John Wayne, yes, he's going to lose the permit.

My LA LEO contacts told me the same thing - he went to pursue them after the threat to him was over.

Now let's ask Ricci to release the entire footage and since everything is recorded, there's likely neighbor footage too.

Yelling was the revocation grounds? Hardly.

This is his Jussie moment and it's unraveling.

Can you ask your contacts for clarification on what they meant by "he went to pursue them after the threat to him was over."? Did he actually leave the premises of his home and gated driveway? And was he firing wildly at men while they were running away as he was chasing them or was he safely carrying his weapon to continue to defend himself if needed, while trying to observe if the bandits were fleeing to a getaway car so he could document and report the license plate and descriptions to law enforcement, as he has every right under the law to do? Because those are two very different things, so I would like clarification on that if they know.

[XDJYo]

Originally Posted by Avocado Toast

It's easy to be a Ricci enthusiastic over this and I'm pretty sure that you've convinced yourself that Ricci is 100% in the right and did nothing wrong in any of his action or post-action interaction with LEO. Is that about it?

Ricci controls the video. No one else does and did he release just the good parts and not the stuff where he's not wearing his white hat?

The permit is issued with Terms and Conditions. Every CA County has them. Do they or don't they apply? Ricci gets to decide which ones? The few seconds of video we all saw aren't the entire story.

New here eh? 10 posts and 8 of them in this thread. Oh, and you're an attorney. Enjoy your stay here.

[RustyIron]

Originally Posted by TrailerparkTrash

That?s what he leads everyone to believe.
Ayoob is nothing more than a scab and a police poser. He?s a book author that has done 4-5 decades of doing nothing but telling other people?s war stories. He has none of his own becasue he was never a real cop. ,,,yet he fools people to believe otherwise.

This might be off-topic, but I have to chime in. When I was a youngster a half century ago, my uncle gave me all his gun magazines. I remember reading articles from this guy called Ayoob and thinking, "Damn, this dude is the real deal!"

Cut me some slack, I didn't even shave yet. Youngsters are easily fooled by phonies.

Eventually I got gray hair and lines on my face, and I realized this dude is still writing articles. WTF? Is he 120 years old?

It was then that I realized that whatever experience this guy claimed to have was minimal. His REAL experience is in telling people that he has real experience.

I'm not commenting on his intelligence, expertise, or wisdom, only that he's not what he wants us to believe.

[L84CABO]

Originally Posted by drdanno84

I spoke with a couple of law enforcement friends in the LAPD, ostensibly Mr Ricci's CCW permit was revoked after the recorded fottage was viewed and evaluated by the detectives. Mr. Ricci chased and continued to fire his gun at the assailants after they ran away, thus violating CCW protocol.

Ran away? How exactly did Mr Ricci know that they were running away at the time?

They could have simply been retreating to cover to regroup and stage a second assault on the house...and it's only because Mr Ricci was still driving at them that they did, in fact, leave. How was Mr Ricci to possibly know what they had planned? How can the Sheriff know what they had planned?

And did Mr. Ricci go chasing them down the street through the neighborhood...or simply to make sure they were, in fact, off his property and truly leaving?

This is complete and utter crap.

[XDJYo]

Originally Posted by L84CABO

Ran away? How exactly did Mr Ricci know that they were running away at the time?

They could have simply been retreating to cover to regroup and stage a second assault on the house...and it's only because Mr Ricci was still driving at them that they did, in fact, leave. How was Mr Ricci to possibly know what they had planned? How can the Sheriff know what they had planned?

And did Mr. Ricci go chasing them down the street through the neighborhood...or simply to make sure they were, in fact, off his property and truly leaving?

This is complete and utter crap.

Not to mention the interview with Colion. If they had a shred of proficiency in investigative work, they would have set aside the 40 minutes to watch it and gain better insight to his thoughts. Something they OBVIOUSLY neglected to do in the first place.

Frickin morons!!!

LAPD and LASD deserves every bit of negative press on this.


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[Rustlin’ Jack]

Originally Posted by Avocado Toast

Now let's ask Ricci to release the entire footage and since everything is recorded, there's likely neighbor footage too.

Yelling was the revocation grounds? Hardly.

This is his Jussie moment and it's unraveling.

Just to be clear, are you suggesting that this whole event was staged, or partially fabricated?

After earlier warning us to reserve judgement until all the facts are known, insinuating it might be fake is a huge leap.

[4SUPER9]

Originally Posted by Rustlin’ Jack

Just to be clear, are you suggesting that this whole event was staged, or partially fabricated?

After earlier warning us to reserve judgement until all the facts are known, insinuating it might be fake is a huge leap.

Maybe he was implying that there may be more to it than "yelling" at the LAPD that resulted in the CCW being suspended? The event definitely took place (unlike Jussie).

Yes, we are all making assumptions. My current guesses that the LASD suspended the CCW based on either 1) the LAPD getting annoyed for being called out on sloppy work and notifying the DOJ, or 2) there was some question about how he handled his firearm in the aftermath, maybe chasing them down and shooting after the threat ended.

I tend to favor the former (1). The LASD already made it publicly clear that there is a rapid path to reinstating his CCW. That means that they are not extremely concerned about his character. If Ricci truly acted in an egregious or reckless manner, I think their response would have been more on the line of "due to serious concerns during the incident, we had no choice to immediately revoke his CCW. We take the issuing of such permits seriously, blah, blah blah."

[9Cal_OC]

Originally Posted by 4SUPER9

Maybe he was implying that there may be more to it than "yelling" at the LAPD that resulted in the CCW being suspended? The event definitely took place (unlike Jussie).

Yes, we are all making assumptions. My current guesses that the LASD suspended the CCW based on either 1) the LAPD getting annoyed for being called out on sloppy work and notifying the DOJ, or 2) there was some question about how he handled his firearm in the aftermath, maybe chasing them down and shooting after the threat ended.

I tend to favor the former (1). The LASD already made it publicly clear that there is a rapid path to reinstating his CCW. That means that they are not extremely concerned about his character. If Ricci truly acted in an egregious or reckless manner, I think their response would have been more on the line of "due to serious concerns during the incident, we had no choice to immediately revoke his CCW. We take the issuing of such permits seriously, blah, blah blah."

Define “rapid path”

[Ewok55]

Some of the clips show more than others, especially in field of view. In the one I saw with more field of view, it appears that the thug on the left points his gun back in Ricci's direction just before Ricci fires the first shot. That, to me says firing at the fleeing guy was justified. Perhaps that has to be sorted out?

[XDJYo]

Originally Posted by Ewok55

Some of the clips show more than others, especially in field of view. In the one I saw with more field of view, it appears that the thug on the left points his gun back in Ricci's direction just before Ricci fires the first shot. That, to me says firing at the fleeing guy was justified. Perhaps that has to be sorted out?

Also as Ricci said in his interview, that LAPD didn't even pickup the empty shell casings outside the gate (evidence that proves that they were shooting at him after they went over the wall). All of that shows that they were still an active threat and he was justified in shooting as they fled.

I think the LAPD is giving BS answers as excuses cuz they're chickensh*t.