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She might have a leg or three to stand one after what happened in Illinois to the Synagogue President in her own driveway probably on her way to Sunday service.
New York makes California seem like a free state. The councilwoman will not slide, especially after Governor Hochul personally tweeted about this specific incident.
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Maybe the good governor might reconsider after what happened at the Whitehouse this last weekend.
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Bruen said that "public carry" was a right protected under the 2nd. It never specified Open vs Concealed when it came to exercising that right. What it said was that historically the only laws that were unconstitutional were were BOTH open and concealed were banned. It never said that open had to be offered even if concealed was a choice. It also said that "reasonable" licensing schemes that were objective could be placed on public carry. This is even applicable to open carry as several states have license restrictions on open carry.



Can you point me towards the Historical Tradition of Firearms Regulation during the Founding Ear that banned the Open Carry of Firearms.
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I am not sure SCOTUS gave specific examples when they talked about it in Bruen. I'll look at it when the Rahimi livefeed is done.
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Maybe the good governor might reconsider after what happened at the Whitehouse this last weekend.
What are you referencing?
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Maybe the good governor might reconsider after what happened at the Whitehouse this last weekend.
The Governor don't got nothing to do with this.
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I don't care about what's in her waistline...I'm interested in what she's packin' higher up in that top!
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When is her court date. It would be interesting to follow the continuances and backroom deals to see where this goes.
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When is her court date. It would be interesting to follow the continuances and backroom deals to see where this goes.
Local media outlets are following her case. Thankfully, Councilwoman Inna Vernikov won reelection to her New York city council seat merely yesterday.
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Yes I am happy for her glad she has been reelected.
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Good luck to her.

I bet she pleads guilty to a misdemeanor (drop from felony possession).
Unfortunately, this case will be meaningless in terms of it's effect on the CCIA and the general public in terms of carrying.
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Local media outlets are following her case. Thankfully, Councilwoman Inna Vernikov won reelection to her New York city council seat merely yesterday.
I hope she fully realizes how wrong and stupid was the very law that got her arrested.
I hope she champions 2nd amendment rights insofar as she can.
As a Councilwoman, there's probably not a lot she can do, but her voice
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I hope she fully realizes how wrong and stupid was the very law that got her arrested.
I hope she champions 2nd amendment rights insofar as she can.
As a Councilwoman, there's probably not a lot she can do, but her voice
is important and as a Councilwoman, louder than us non-politicians.
There is a lot that she can do, although at greater personal legal risk than she should be exposed to.

She can demur to the charges.

By filing a demurrer, and claiming that the charges she is being subjected to are unconstitutional, specifically that the breadth of "sensitive places" as used in the New York statute is overly broad, she can force a decision on the statute in advance of trial, and can do so on a "direct route."

We saw the same with a gentleman who successfully demurred to CCW charges in the Sacramento Superior Court. Of course, the California Court of Appeals held against the use of demurrer in similar cases that followed, effectively ending that approach in California.
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The New York judiciary abhors the right to keep and bear arms even more than the one in California, so I would not blame Councilwoman Vernikov for pleading down and avoiding the long litigation slog.
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On the otherhand, she may have done all of this for just this fight. I believe she was well aware of where she was, what the law stated and what she was doing. Time will tell.
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On the otherhand, she may have done all of this for just this fight. I believe she was well aware of where she was, what the law stated and what she was doing. Time will tell.

I think you might be right. If true we need more like her who have the resources to fight back.


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On the otherhand, she may have done all of this for just this fight. I believe she was well aware of where she was, what the law stated and what she was doing. Time will tell.
I certainly wish her the best if she decides to pursue a constitutional challenge.
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I certainly wish her the best if she decides to pursue a constitutional challenge.
I do as well. My new saying: "If wishes were horses, then freedom would ride."
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https://www.politico.com/news/2023/1...opped-00127825

A gun possession charge against City Council member Inna Vernikov is set to be dropped because there was no proof the gun could fire, Brooklyn District Attorney Eric Gonzalez's office said Friday.

Vernikov, a Republican, was arrested in October the day after she was filmed wearing a gun at her waist while counterprotesting a pro-Palestinean rally outside Brooklyn College. Newly passed state gun laws specify that it is illegal to carry a gun at a protest.

But Gonzalez wouldn't be able to prove the charge in this case, his office said.

"The firearm recovered by the NYPD in this case was unloaded and missing the recoil spring assembly, rendering it inoperable, according to the NYPD's lab report," spokesperson Oren Yaniv said in a statement. "In order to sustain this charge, it must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the weapon in question was capable of firing bullets. Absent such proof, we have no choice but to dismiss these charges."

Yaniv said the case will formally be dropped at the next court date, which is currently scheduled for Jan. 24, but may be rescheduled to an earlier date. The decision was first reported Friday by The City.

Vernikov is Jewish and an outspoken advocate of Israel. In a statement provided first to POLITICO, she framed her gun-carrying counterprotest as a response to Hamas' attack on Israel.

"I'm glad this is behind me and I look forward to the next two years working for my constituents," she said. "Ever since Hamas has unleashed a massacre on the people of Israel on Oct. 7th, Jewish New Yorkers have been facing an unprecedented rise in hate and violence on our streets and on our college campuses. I will continue to be a fearless fighter against antisemitism and for the public safety of all New Yorkers."

Vernikov declined to answer whether she had ever fired the gun before, and whether the spring had been removed.

A progressive Democratic colleague, City Council member Chi Osse, blasted the way "VerniGlock received soft on crime treatment from the NYPD" in a lengthy statement posted to X.

"By failing to hold Council Member Vernikov and the NYPD officers who failed to arrest her on site accountable, we are setting a precedent allowing firearms at protests and college campuses," he said.

Though she's a Republican, Vernikov has often found herself aligned with Democratic Mayor Eric Adams' administration. She met with Adams' chief advisor, Ingrid Lewis-Martin, just a few days after her arrest - though the meeting had been previously scheduled.

Vernikov posted a photo of the two of them to X, writing, "I can say with unequivocal certainty that we have true friends in this administration."

Vernikov's lawyer, Arthur Aidala, is also an ally of the mayor and hosted a campaign fundraiser for him in September.

Carrying a gun and counterprotesting against pro-Palestinean students, did not appear to hurt Vernikov politically in her southern Brooklyn district covering neighborhoods including Sheepshead Bay and Brighton Beach.

She won reelection last week with 67 percent of the vote.
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Has a 2A organization stepped up to help with her defense in this situation?
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The state dropped the charges due to certain back-channel maneuvers, in typical New York fashion.
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Well, I'm glad she got off. But OTOH, this smells like politics.
Would we ordinary peons get off on the same charge?
I'm thinking not.
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Well, I'm glad she got off. But OTOH, this smells like politics.
Would we ordinary peons get off on the same charge?
I'm thinking not.
Nope

Even the serialized frame would still be considered a “firearm”
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Even the serialized frame would still be considered a "firearm?."
Absolutely. Councilwoman Vernikov leveraged her close relationship with Mayor Adams to achieve this result. New York would hit any ordinary person with so many felony charges, his/her head would spin in multiple dimensions.
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Would have made a pretty good court case against sensitive places. Still happy she got off, even though if it were anyone of us we would have be fighting this out for years in the courts while remaining incarcerated.
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Glad to see that even the contrarian members of the King's court receive special dispensations when needed.
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If Councilwoman Vernikov did not have a close working relationship with Mayor Eric Adams, I bet the legal jeopardy would have been far greater.
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She openly carried an unloaded gun with no recoil spring, right? It makes zero sense. If she chose to draw the gun, the unsupported barrel would likely shifted and hung out of the slide. If it was a stunt and she wasn't going to draw it ever, it would be much safer to bring all-plastic training replica gun.

I smell something there. Not saying NYPD is corrupt, but....
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She openly carried an unloaded gun with no recoil spring, right? It makes zero sense. If she chose to draw the gun, the unsupported barrel would likely shifted and hung out of the slide. If it was a stunt and she wasn't going to draw it ever, it would be much safer to bring all-plastic training replica gun.

I smell something there. Not saying NYPD is corrupt, but....
It doesn't pass the smell test. I don't think we have all the details.
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She openly carried an unloaded gun with no recoil spring, right? It makes zero sense. If she chose to draw the gun, the unsupported barrel would likely shifted and hung out of the slide. If it was a stunt and she wasn't going to draw it ever, it would be much safer to bring all-plastic training replica gun.

I smell something there. Not saying NYPD is corrupt, but....
We can speak freely. Illinois, New Jersey, and New York are objectively the most corrupt states in America.

This is not baseless simple hatred against Democrats. Politically neutral organizations that track public corruption do not show states such as California, Oregon, and Washington, leftism notwithstanding, as bad offenders.

States like New Jersey reach an entirely new level. Just look at Senator Robert Menendez and his million dollars in straight cash and gold bars.
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She openly carried an unloaded gun with no recoil spring, right? It makes zero sense. If she chose to draw the gun, the unsupported barrel would likely shifted and hung out of the slide. If it was a stunt and she wasn't going to draw it ever, it would be much safer to bring all-plastic training replica gun.

I smell something there. Not saying NYPD is corrupt, but....

She was not arrested on the spot. She turned herself and the pistol in at a later date. No one can prove what the condition of the pistol was when the pics were taken. I imagine she was advised by her lawyer before that happened.
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If they'd just checked Hunter Biden more closely. That actually was a recoil spring in his pocket!
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She was not arrested on the spot. She turned herself and the pistol in at a later date. No one can prove what the condition of the pistol was when the pics were taken. I imagine she was advised by her lawyer before that happened.
NYPD readily agreed to believe she intentionally carried a dysfunction gun. Any average Joe (well, Jill in this case) wouldn't get such an easy ticket out. Not saying NYPD is corrupt, but ...
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NYPD readily agreed to believe she intentionally carried a dysfunction gun. Any average Joe (well, Jill in this case) wouldn't get such an easy ticket out. Not saying NYPD is corrupt, but ...



Plausible deniability...
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NYPD readily agreed to believe she intentionally carried a dysfunction gun. Any average Joe (well, Jill in this case) wouldn't get such an easy ticket out. Not saying NYPD is corrupt, but ...
The two-tiered system of justice turns its wheels.
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To me this reads as "Ghost of Caetano." I think some folks realized that trying to justify the prosecution of a member of a religious minority group that has been subjected to many hate crimes is going to be untenable for the state. Almost as bad as prosecuting a domestic violence victim with a restraining order that was violated.
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Nonetheless, no ordinary New Yorker, Jewish or otherwise, would have been able to carry a quasi-concealed gun to a college campus protest, complete with strong photographic evidence, and had all charges dropped.
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Nonetheless, no ordinary New Yorker, Jewish or otherwise, would have been able to carry a quasi-concealed gun to a college campus protest, complete with strong photographic evidence, and had all charges dropped.
Agreed.
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