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09-08-2013, 5:04 PM
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I joined back in July as an Associate member. At the members meeting they said I'd be contacted by the end of the week about volunteer work. I've never heard from them - which kind of sucks because I'd be happy to sweep up brass and clean up after some of the slobs that can't be bothered to grab a broom.
The meeting was pretty lax - no groveling or anything. There were perhaps 6 people turning in their applications and fees and the board basically just voted us all in. All we really had to do was say hello to everyone as we walked up to the front to hand them our check. I had a little introductory speech prepared but didn't have to use it. I heard the guy who maintains their website lost the files and they had to revert to an older version (which I think has a simpler layout) so maybe some of the info is still out of date. 
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09-08-2013, 5:15 PM
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I recently joined a Bay Area club. As part of their process, you have to go to an information session and panel interview with some of the high level folks at the club. It was a little frustrating since it was not particularly convenient but I felt at least after getting there it was a worth while interchange after getting there. It is interesting the process each club decides to put their new members through.
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09-09-2013, 8:33 AM
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09-23-2013, 10:00 AM
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Anyone else get screwed over Sunday morning when there was only one Range Officer on duty?
They only opened 14 lanes due to a club rule (14 lanes per RO) which is fine by me but because they only had one RO, the rest of the lanes were left unused though...like 20+ people in line including myself got screwed and were forced to wait on someone to leave. I am a non-associate member of LPRG and I'm putting together a complaint so I'd like to hear if others have had this happen to them (this is the second time for me).
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#45
09-23-2013, 10:08 AM
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The Rifle/Pistol Range is generally run by volunteer RSOs. My guess is they only had one volunteer RSO on hand, for whatever reason. Perhaps someone had a personal emergency or illness. Maybe they could only get one volunteer.
This is part of the reason they continue to push for people to volunteer. Personally, I agree with them that one RSO can not manage the entire range safely. I expect the response to your complaint will be to ask you to volunteer or find more volunteers to adequately staff the range.
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09-23-2013, 10:17 AM
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09-23-2013, 10:25 AM
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It would encourage membership but make it tougher for non-members to get a bench.
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09-23-2013, 10:29 AM
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09-24-2013, 7:09 PM
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Hey AA.... You a board member or what ???? You sure can stick up for THE ruling party !!!!...I guess we assoc. members ( or prior members). Can just suk it right. ??? Guess the only paid workers work the trap range for you ???.... So all you pistol and rifle people can just wait... And you wonder why members are leaving in droves ????... DUH....
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#51
09-25-2013, 8:21 AM
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That is part of the PROBLEM! Members are treated poorly! The club hounds them to volunteer and asks for more money, more money!
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09-26-2013, 5:41 AM
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Livermore has done a great job on continuing to develop their facility. They have not done the same with managing the people aspects of the club. In my mind this has gone down hill. This is part of the reason they struggle to attract and retain volunteers. There is very little social aspect to the club, especially the rifle/pistol/archery range since there are not activities/leagues to bring people together. I believe this decline started when the monthly membership meetings went away and the board started conducting more and more business in private session. Not quite sure what you mean by "Guess the only paid workers work the trap range for you ???". No one works for me. I believe both the trap and rifle/pistol/archery range have paid help. The trap range might have more paid help during events/shoots. This doesn't really apply the rifle/pistol range since they don't have events. Members leaving in droves?? Don't know if that is true or not . . . do you have information on that claim? Or are you assuming that due to the membership fee increase? So what constructive suggestions do you have for Livermore to address the problems? Although I am not sure any of the club's leadership is active on Calguns or would ever see this thread. I hope I addressed your concerns. Last edited by AAShooter; 09-26-2013 at 7:54 AM..
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09-26-2013, 7:47 AM
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09-26-2013, 9:50 PM
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Until the old boy network and the 'member' --- associate member class B.S. is eliminated at lprg there is not much hope .. You cant have zero posibility of change in thinking and policys if 80 percent ot the club cant vote... Trap priorty is king at lprc... Chabot is just the opposite... Trap shooters there are the low priorty ... So look around at many clubs before putting out your memb. Dues... Hard to relalize and finally figure out clubs arent interested in members input and best interests...
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09-27-2013, 11:13 AM
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09-27-2013, 11:23 AM
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I think the combination of the "Old Boys Network" and the board's practice of doing business in Executive Session not open to the public is dangerous. This is especially true when the minutes are brief or written to discourage transparency into the board's decisions. If nothing else it leaves the membership in the dark and makes them wonder what is happening. This feeds the rumor mill. Even worse, it can allow for inappropriate actions by the board and avoids the accountability to the club members.
I, for one, think having open board meetings (with rare executive sessions to deal with things like personnel issues, etc) would be healthy for the club, help squash the rumor mill, and allow for more club member input. I also would like to see the detailed minutes from the meetings accessible on the web for club members. The current practice of posting minutes is lacking and only make them available to the most motivated members.
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#57
09-27-2013, 5:21 PM
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Obviously MY opinion is in reality meaningless!
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#59
09-28-2013, 11:32 AM
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By the way, the elections are coming for three board members. Three board seats are up for grabs.
If you are a regular member or know one that would help fix the club, encourage them to run for the board.
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09-29-2013, 7:15 AM
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09-29-2013, 7:58 AM
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While AA plays apologist, he might also take the criticism that's being communicated and HELP FIX THE PROBLEMS.
After 20 years of the ups and downs I finally gave up on LPRGC about 2 years ago. I was once an RSO there and that enlightened me about how little they'd thought out policy and procedure and how non-existent the training on those matters was and how little thought has been put into the whole matter of operations. The rifle/pistol range is crippled, only half can be used while the rest has been reduced to a fallow parking lot that holds 3 times as many cars as the range holds people. Rangemasters are either nothing but walking and talking clocks or are yelling FUD machines. 3:5 are either full of FUD and stupidity or are always in someone's grill but both seem to be failing entirely to manage the firing line at all. They lack command presence. Pricing for member and non-member does not reflect the constant reduction in available shooting options. The regular staff quality has been in a downward spiral ever since Dave got the boot a decade ago and they can't keep any volunteers that are worth a wet damn. Membership prices have skyrocketed and you get less for it. The place is a complete burn-out which is a shame since I live less than a mile from there. At this point I just drive to some public land to shoot now. I don't care if it is a 2 hour drive, at least I can enjoy myself safely and the cost is a wash and nobody yells across a crowded firing line causing every muzzle in the place to suddenly point left. The trap range is half the problem. The rifle range is the other half. There's been a power struggle going on since the 1990's with the trap range people and the rifle range people not managing to understand they're part of the same organization. What a waste.
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09-29-2013, 11:39 AM
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I try to communicate suggestions for improvement to the powers to be in the club but it is just one more opinion along with all the other member opinions.
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#63
09-29-2013, 12:46 PM
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Would be a shame to lose a firearms range.
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#64
09-29-2013, 1:17 PM
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The gun club I belong to has had their insurance premium skyrocket!
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09-29-2013, 2:00 PM
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Personally I don't expect any changes... I would love to be proven wrong!
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09-29-2013, 2:30 PM
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I agree. Making the club operations more transparent would be a good start. I would like to see an annual plan from the board with some clear goals so the club's direction is clear. Finally the whole issue of volunteers is a problem that has been in place for several years. They need to put a person in charge of the volunteer effort--attracting, managing, rewarding and retaining volunteers. Doing the same old thing is not working. In my view, this latest plan of requiring volunteer hours to join the club not only discourages membership but drives shooters to other clubs. Last edited by AAShooter; 09-29-2013 at 3:47 PM..
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10-05-2013, 6:19 PM
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I'm not a member at Livermore, but AA Shooter has been nothing but open & honest. No need to take it out on him. You should look in the mirror. You aren't a full member, but have done nothing/little to improve the situation. You could leave the Club, I'm sure no one would notice.
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#68
10-05-2013, 10:11 PM
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Its obvious you have never been a member... Or accociate member like 80 % ( or more) of US... Who have no vote OR say about any club business... You know absolutely nothing about lprg... So move on to what you might know something about . ..
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#69
07-31-2021, 10:04 PM
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The last post was 2013, can I ask for opinions here in 2021 is it worth to join Livermore? website says $150 "initiation fee" with $150 annual dues. That is quite pricey. I am mainly rifle/pistol shooter, occasional trap. Thanks!
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08-04-2021, 1:04 PM
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Others join to support the club, even when it may not save you money. It is a personal call. Personally, I am a member of several clubs in the never save enough in shooting fees to pay for the memberships.
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#71
01-05-2023, 9:44 AM
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Welcome to 2023!
Looks like they raised their prices again... Membership Fees now $200 annually w/ $200 initiation. Ranges Fees also increased by $5: https://www.lprg.org/rifle-pistol-ranges Club Members: $15.00 All Shooters 6 yrs and older $25.00 Active Miltary with ID: $15.00 Law Enforcement $15.00 Metcalf will be my "go-to" range henceforth...
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Thanks for the update. Good to know.
I am OK with the $25 fee. Prices have gone up on everything since Bidenflation. My post COVID experience at Livermore is more positive than the pre COVID experiences. My previous go-to outdoor range was Chabot, so Livermore is the next closest. I have been to Metcalf only once, but it's an hour drive for me.
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01-05-2023, 4:34 PM
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You look at it as 50%, they look at it as $50. Which equates to less $5 more per month. It's not cheap to run a shooting range, nor are they immune to the crazy prices jumps you're seeing in other industries.
The target sticks Richmond uses for its action range usually costs about $3k/year. Last year it was $10k for the same quantity.
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