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08-08-2013, 7:03 AM
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Livermore Pleasanton Rod & Gun Club Huge Price Increases
What in the Heck is going on at LPRGC? First they raised their annual membership dues by 50% from $100 a year to $150 a year. Then they sent a nasty letter with my renewal that said if it wasn't paid in 30 days I would have to pay another $50 to rejoin the club. Then they never sent me a membership card, I had to ask them for it.
Also they raised the members price for Trap coins from $100-20 to $110-20 and last week raised it again to $120-20. LPRGC is getting outrageous! 
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08-10-2013, 2:38 PM
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Ya no kiddin. 150 .00 a yr... I shoot there 10 times a yr and pay members rate at rifle and pistol range( 7.00)... Thats 22 bucks to shoot. Non members pay 15 bucks.. My membership was up in june and i did not renew... I was a member there 25 yrs and went through all the bad times( no pistol and rifle range 2 yrs )... Then the club reclaimed the lead on trap field and sold it to concord club and not the members of livermore... Such a shame .. A nice club thats being run NOT for the members... Used to be despirate for members just to stay open ( noise problems ).. Such a shame on the board..
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08-10-2013, 3:18 PM
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Wow
 This blows!-g
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08-12-2013, 1:57 PM
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That seems excessive. Chabot is $72/year (first year $40 more) and drops the payment from $14 to $7 and you get some other little benefits (including it's a CMP affiliated club). So it's worth it if you go once a month (small profit at 11 times per year).
Looks like at Livermore it drops the rifle/pistol range from $15 to $7 (for three hours versus all day at Chabot). At $150/year you have to go 19 times. For me it would still be worth it, but I'm guessing they'll lose a lot of regulars.
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08-26-2013, 8:47 AM
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Concord's United Sportmen club is like $40ish the last time I was quoted a price but the facilities are no where near what LPRG club has in terms of trap (but it does have a nice skeet setup and "action" shooting range)....
I hear about some drama going on at the club actually. I've been a member for 5 years now and this is the first year I've actually heard complaints from regulars - not to mention the annual BBQ was canceled due to lack of volunteers too...pretty bad sign. Interestingly, it seems that the Olympic bunker they put in caused a bit of a stir as well (more specifically, that it's supposed to be for members and yet it's never running).
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08-27-2013, 8:28 AM
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http://wheretoshoot.org/index2.cfm http://www.claytargetsonline.com/index.php
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#8
08-28-2013, 8:36 AM
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Compared to local gun clubs, Livermore is one of the highest fees. If you are a trap shooter, Livermore is hard to beat. They offer a full range of activities and heavily discount trap shooting for members. They run the club primarily as a trap club. The President and the bulk of the board are trapshooters.
The rifle/pistol range is nice but no real activities or competitions. Porta-potties remain after the new range has been open for years. The club should be putting in a robust range of activities for the rifle/pistol and archery ranges. Yet the board takes no action. The bunker trap is a nice addition but trap is a dying sport. They continue investing in trap. Sporting clays and action shooting sports are both growing sports. They need to look to the future rather than investing more into trap. I suspect they are raising prices to fund more construction on the rifle/pistol range. Realize many of the voting members and board members are life time members that are not impacted by membership fee increases. For reference, in 2005 membership fees were $50. http://web.archive.org/web/200612142...embership.html Last edited by AAShooter; 08-28-2013 at 9:45 AM..
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08-28-2013, 10:00 AM
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08-28-2013, 4:26 PM
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08-28-2013, 5:24 PM
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In some ways I think the club communications is worse than in the past. Monthly meetings are hardly attended by any members. Very little club business is done in the public portion of the meeting and updates are minimal. Club business is largely done behind closed doors and very little is communicated out to club members as a whole. In the past, meetings were pretty well attended, board meetings were largely done in public with very little done behind closed doors, and the financial situation of the club was publicly disclosed. Last edited by AAShooter; 08-28-2013 at 5:30 PM..
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08-28-2013, 5:46 PM
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08-28-2013, 5:59 PM
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It feels like the board could use some help.
Is this a club with an elected board? Are there positions that you can run for or is it a business with owners? On a side note- look what an indoor range in so cal costs Membership a 6 month $175.00 1 year $250.00 Family $375.00
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08-28-2013, 5:59 PM
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It feels like the board could use some help.
Is this a club with an elected board? Are there positions that you can run for or is it a business with owners? On a side note- look what an indoor range in so cal costs Membership a 6 month $175.00 1 year $250.00 Family $375.00
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Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs) Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT (thanks to Jeff Cooper)
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#15
08-28-2013, 6:14 PM
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The club has a two-tier membership with very few regular members. 80% or so of the membership is associate members. Associate members can not run for the board. Associate members most met a variety of requirements and apply the board to be upgraded to a regular member. Most members never bother for whatever reason. That said, those running for the positions are normally recruited by the existing board. Last edited by AAShooter; 08-29-2013 at 8:22 AM..
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08-29-2013, 1:43 AM
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I really enjoy the livermore range... Great place to shoot outside (not inside range)... And usually recommend it over other local clubs to most people...plus its 15 mins away... On the other hand chabot 25 mins away... Havent been there in years but have friends that are members there and they are happy with it... Ive heard about lots of shoots there but have yet to make one... I guess nows the time....
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08-29-2013, 6:27 AM
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AAShooter, thanks for the updates. I also enjoy this range; wish they would clean up there act.
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08-29-2013, 9:15 AM
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I would like to see Livermore move in this direction--offering a robust set of clays sports instead of focusing on trap. Sporting clays is much more popular than some of the others.
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08-29-2013, 11:57 AM
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"I would like to see Livermore move in this direction--offering a robust set of clays sports instead of focusing on trap. Sporting clays is much more popular than some of the others."
How about some "action-type" pistol events, steel, holster, pistol training,...etc.
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08-29-2013, 12:18 PM
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The club does offer a robust set of NRA training classes for novice shooters and those interested in becoming NRA instructors. This is a successful program with good reviews. However, I think training should be expanded to include some guest instructors. Several of the ranges around host "big name" instructors to hold classes and I believe Livermore could benefit from doing the same. Organized shoots and competitions would bring the rifle/pistol range on par with the robust set of activities offered for trap shooters. Trap shooters can participate in club, local, regional and state shoots through the club. Yet, the club seems reluctant to embrace activities for the rifle/pistol/archery range. Compare the activities offered by the clubs at USI compared to Livermore and it is sad to see. (Some of Diablo Rod and Gun activities can be seen here: http://diablorodandgun.com/calendar/...ec_posterboard ) Clearly action pistol is a growing sport and attracts many shooters. Livermore is again reluctant to embrace action pistol. This is partially due to their no blue sky range but I think more could be done in this area. Livermore has such potential to be the best gun club in the Bay Area but they have to get all aspects of the club firing on all cylinders. The club has done a great job at establishing a Scholastic Clays Youth program. Some of those kids can really shoot and place well on the state level. They are working towards a youth rifle league and getting a range established for that program. I believe they even got NRA funding to help with the range. Last edited by AAShooter; 08-29-2013 at 1:35 PM..
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08-30-2013, 2:35 PM
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Livermore needs to evaluate their competitive position. They appear to be one of the most expensive clubs in the Bay Area to become a member. They have more than doubled their membership fees over the last few years. The question is: Have they provided more value to their members to justify the increase?
A few years back they mentioned they had nearly 1700 members. I suspect this latest round of membership fee increases will have some folks reconsidering. Last edited by AAShooter; 08-30-2013 at 2:46 PM..
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08-31-2013, 4:37 PM
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08-31-2013, 7:56 PM
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Obviously the club is better off with a strong volunteer base so hopefully they benefit from this new policy. Last edited by AAShooter; 09-01-2013 at 4:40 AM..
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08-31-2013, 10:09 PM
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I enjoyed going to This range, yes it's a bit expensive bit I enjoyed being able to shoot pistols and rifles on the same lane. I was considering membership but no longer after reading this thread. I guys I'll look into a club closer to home.
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09-01-2013, 9:37 AM
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How much is it for non-members to shoot at the rifle pistol lane? Still $13?
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09-01-2013, 2:37 PM
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Here is the info from the website: "Rifle/Pistol range shooting is $15 for non-members, $7 for members, $10 for ages 13 - 17, and $5 for ages 6 - 12. This fee covers the use of the range for a three-hour period. Ten-shoot cards are $60 for members. This is a substantial savings over non-member rates."
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09-01-2013, 7:39 PM
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10 shoot cards ? Ive been to rifle range 4 times in last 2 months... Not on bullutin board at rifle and pistol range... Not on Any of the 3 bulluton boards at the rifle and pistol range.... I know this as i read them all as i wait my hour waiting for a lane to open...not in the members quarterly mailing.... I see trap tokens for members at a discount when buying 20 rounds at trap sign- in window down the hill.... But never discount up the hill at rifle - pistol range window...never mentioned as i pay members rate either...and please dont say on board in clubhouse...why would anyone go in there? Tables and a bar thats rarely open... Restrooms outside... No food either but full kitchen ... WAS a member since the 80s.... Where was all this info ? I grabbed a member application at chabot this last weekend.... Funny- nothing mentioned about groveling in front of the board for a new membership... Or anything about 10 hours ' volunteer work ' per month to be a non- voting member... I think the old buddy 'club ' isnt going to be around to much longer ... Shame... Nice place to shoot...
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09-02-2013, 1:31 PM
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09-03-2013, 9:51 AM
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-just an interesting observation. If they have 1700 members and each is obligated to volunteer 40 hrs/year, that is the equivalent of 1700 man-weeks annually. Or, about 30 man-years. That is like having 10 full-time employees at the rifle/pistol range, 10 full-time employees at the trap range and 10 full-time employees working on the facilities in general. Lots of man power to organize, manage and track . . . good problems I guess.
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09-03-2013, 12:03 PM
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The membership form appears to apply to new and renewing members. It is interesting to note that life memberships no longer seem to be mentioned in the membership section of the website or on the membership application. I don't know what that means.
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09-03-2013, 3:26 PM
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I've been considering joining, but $150/yr is definitely cost-prohibitive. I did a quick spreadsheet to find look up my break-even point.
20-coins trap, price: $120 (savings over non-member price: $60) 10-round rifle card, price: $60 (savings over non-member price: $90) Annual spend: Membership: $150 20 trap coins: $120 10-trip rifle discount card: $60 Total cost $330 Savings: $150 At this point in life, I really don't shoot enough to justify a membership.
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09-03-2013, 5:30 PM
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09-03-2013, 5:32 PM
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09-05-2013, 8:31 PM
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09-06-2013, 11:02 AM
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There's two tiers of membership, the second tier is the Associate level and the first tier is basically a glorified club use discount card....
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09-06-2013, 1:40 PM
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I have never seen anything regarding transferability but obviously the club does not want members buying discounted coins and punch cards to sell to non-members. However, I don't know if this has been explicitly stated by the club. Last edited by AAShooter; 09-06-2013 at 5:01 PM..
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09-06-2013, 2:09 PM
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"There are two types of memberships: regular and associate. Associate members have the same shooting privileges and access to the facilities as regular members but cannot hold an elected office or vote on club matters. Associate members willing to be more involved with club activities and programs may petition for regular membership in accordance with the club by-laws. Petitions may be filed after two years of associate membership. " It should be noted that the portion of the by-laws containing the requirements for regular membership appears not to be posted on the club's website. Again from the website (http://www.lprg.org/pdf_files/AssociateApplication.pdf), the current membership application for Associate Member states: "*** To Qualify for membership, applicants must agree to fulfill 40 hours a year of volunteer work. ***" Last edited by AAShooter; 09-06-2013 at 3:11 PM..
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