Request for Recipe (.308), also info to share

Jicko · #1 10-21-2007, 7:29 PM

Let's start a thread for .308!!

I know a lot of guys are using 175SMK, 155Scenar.... guys, please post your recipe...

Randall, since you have that nice program.... can you please post some "calculated" numbers for 168SMK, 175SMK, 155 Scenar, 155 SMK/Nosler Palma, etc..

Again, the info in this thread is BY NO MEANS a guide..... all this is, is an *idea* for you, so that you can start low and then work up your load.....

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Here is some background info from 6mmbr.com:
http://www.6mmbr.com/308Win.html

Here is the info from Sierra:
http://www.6mmbr.citymaker.com/f/Sierra308Win.pdf

Prc329 · #2 10-21-2007, 7:38 PM

My gun.....

Remington 700 SPS stock 1-12 barrel cut to 22.25 with a muzzle break brings it to 24".

My loads.....

155 Scenars - RL15 46.5g, Winchester Brass, CCI BR2 primers, seated to 2.82 velocities are just over 2900 fps. Something like 2910 to 2920.

175g SMKs - RL15 45.5g, Winchester brass, CCI BR2 seated to 2.8. Velocities are just over 2780 fps.

I may back it down to 45g since that seemed a little to hot. No pressure signs but I want to get as close to 2700 even as possible. Next development range trip will load a selection between 45 and 45.4 to see what is happy.

ocabj · #3 10-21-2007, 7:38 PM

http://www.6mmbr.com/308Win.html

Reading the above article is a lot faster than everyone posting personal loads. Especially some of the loads I use coincide with some mentioned in that above article.

rksimple · #4 10-21-2007, 8:24 PM

Been using the 155 scenars for a while now and see no need to use anything else. 44.8gr Varget, WLR, RA60 brass. Gives me about 2830 avg. out of my 24in 10fp. I'll let you know what it does out of an SPS Varmint I have coming. I decided my R+D build is going to be a .260

sargenv · #5 10-21-2007, 8:51 PM

I dunno, personally I prefer to use the Speer 125 gr HP-TNT's in my Model 700 Synthetic Varmint 308. Less perceived recoil and unless you are shooting much past 200 yards, probably every bit as accurate as any other bullet out there in the expensive bullet category. Super high priced boat tailed bullets are really not needed in the under 200 yard ranges we have local to the bay area. I can shoot sub MOA groups practically all day with my setup and load. My preference is 45 gr of IMR 4895 with the Speer 125's. An older old reliable powder that I actually have a fair amount on hand currently. I think the velocity is up in the 3000 fps range..

Prc329 · #6 10-21-2007, 8:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rksimple

Been using the 155 scenars for a while now and see no need to use anything else. 44.8gr Varget, WLR, RA60 brass. Gives me about 2830 avg. out of my 24in 10fp. I'll let you know what it does out of an SPS Varmint I have coming. I decided my R+D build is going to be a .260

Nice.

halifax · #7 10-21-2007, 9:33 PM

Lately I been having some pretty good luck with Sierra 168gr MK for paper and 165gr GK for flesh both loaded with 44.0gr 748, 250CCI, in Lapua brass.

thmpr · #8 10-21-2007, 9:42 PM

Powder: Varget
175 SMK: 39.9 grains (plinking rounds--> Sub MOA accuracy)
43.0 grains (300 yards and beyond: 100 yards sub MOA accuracy)

Rifle: AR
Primer: CCI34
OAL: 2.800"

1911 in 916 · #9 10-21-2007, 9:47 PM

How about cost per 50 rounds fellows?

Jicko · #10 10-21-2007, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1911 in 916

How about cost per 50 rounds fellows?

You can find all pricing(rough) info on www.powdervalleyinc.com

Do the math yourself. All depends on what you use, new Lapua brass is $0.50 each but you can get N-number of reloads out of it.

Roughly, $.35-.40 each if you have brass.
- premium bullet (eg 175SMK) ~$.25
- powder ~$.10
- primer ~$.02

Can get down below $.30 each if you use cheaper bullets (168Nosler)

Prc329 · #11 10-21-2007, 10:16 PM

I figure I got it to about $0.40 cents a pop for my 155g load. So about $20 a 50. Grafs deal pricing for Lapua 155 factory loads is $24 a box of 20. Black Hills 175 is $20 a box dealer pricing at Midway.

Whitesmoke · #12 10-22-2007, 10:31 AM

I shoot 175 SMK's in my M1a Sub-moa with 42.5 gr of imr 4895, cci 200's in a LC Match case.

I shoot 168 gr SMK's and Nosler custom comps in the same rifle with 41.5 gr of imr 4895, cci 200's, LC Match case all sub-moa.

I've tried up to 43 gr with the above bullets with no pressure signs.

PistolPete75 · #13 10-22-2007, 11:21 AM

you should also ask people to put their rifle, barrel length, and twist rate. results will vary from each rifle.

30Cal · #14 10-22-2007, 11:49 AM

For 200yds and less:
125gr TNT, 42.5gr IMR4895, WLR, LC case, 2.75" (2900fps)

For the rest of the way out:
155grSierra/Nosler, 41.0gr IMR4895, WLR, LC case, 2.815" (2800fps)

M1A Supermatch, 1:12" barrel. My rifle isn't picky about loads.

Jicko · #15 01-08-2008, 11:42 PM

Do anyone know the recipe for the Lapua factory load????

Is it VV powder? (they should be using VV powders.....)

And what may the primer be??

ar15barrels · #16 01-09-2008, 10:17 PM

Code:

Cartridge          : .308 Win.
Bullet             : .308, 155, Sierra HPBT Palma MK 2155
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch or 71.12 mm
Barrel Length      : 26.0 inch or 660.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.

Matching Maximum Pressure: 59000 psi, or 406 MPa

or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

60 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 80%. These powders have been skipped.

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
IMR 4895                           102.9     46.7     3.03    2959    99.9    59000    8112   1.141  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748                      95.0     47.5     3.07    2953   100.0    59000    8077   1.155  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B                         103.5     48.1     3.12    2952    99.3    59000    8454   1.162  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15                 103.0     47.8     3.10    2950    98.9    59000    8475   1.162  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11                       103.0     47.8     3.10    2950    98.9    59000    8475   1.162  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031                           100.9     44.8     2.90    2947   100.0    59000    7582   1.158  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11                  105.0     50.3     3.26    2946    99.0    56810    8636   1.166  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan Sp 7                   102.8     51.1     3.31    2946    99.0    59000    8490   1.159  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2                       95.8     48.3     3.13    2933    99.8    59000    8215   1.167  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2520                    96.8     47.9     3.10    2929   100.0    59000    7851   1.173  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320                           101.4     47.9     3.10    2928    99.1    59000    8155   1.150  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9                   100.1     48.0     3.11    2922    99.2    59000    8204   1.162  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516                100.2     49.6     3.21    2919    97.8    59000    8393   1.161  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate XMR 2495                  101.9     45.2     2.93    2917   100.0    59000    7481   1.196  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507                 96.5     46.7     3.03    2917    99.8    59000    7990   1.164  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC                         95.8     46.7     3.02    2916    99.8    59000    7971   1.164  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321                        95.6     47.3     3.07    2916    99.9    59000    8032   1.170  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335                        92.3     46.6     3.02    2915   100.0    59000    7801   1.163  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150                    103.8     47.7     3.09    2909   100.0    59000    7479   1.166  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341                        99.3     49.1     3.18    2904    99.1    59000    8002   1.163  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                    105.0     50.9     3.30    2903    97.2    53096    8877   1.203  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202                          100.1     45.7     2.96    2902   100.0    59000    7593   1.171  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208                        101.1     47.2     3.06    2901    98.7    59000    8094   1.161  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 10                   89.8     44.6     2.89    2899   100.0    59000    7539   1.169  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 508                 89.8     44.6     2.89    2898   100.0    59000    7530   1.169  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201                          100.0     45.7     2.96    2896    99.8    59000    7851   1.180  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET                      99.5     46.5     3.01    2894    99.2    59000    7946   1.162  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     105.0     51.4     3.33    2894    94.3    53345    8874   1.196  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064                           102.3     46.5     3.01    2894    98.9    59000    7929   1.165  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219                         89.9     43.1     2.79    2893   100.0    59000    7295   1.163  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322                        92.8     43.1     2.79    2893   100.0    59000    7295   1.163  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902                      100.4     45.9     2.97    2892    99.8    59000    7820   1.181  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       103.0     51.5     3.33    2891    92.0    59000    8578   1.171  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate XMR 4064                  105.0     47.2     3.06    2890   100.0    55528    7797   1.221  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2460                    95.1     46.6     3.02    2885   100.0    59000    7615   1.185  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator                90.7     43.7     2.83    2885   100.0    59000    7333   1.171  ! Near Maximum !
Nitrochemie A/S 0300                87.1     41.5     2.69    2883   100.0    59000    6995   1.171  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                      102.2     49.5     3.21    2882    94.7    59000    8333   1.173  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901                       96.4     43.5     2.82    2880   100.0    59000    7465   1.191  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N135                    103.7     46.1     2.98    2879   100.0    59000    7105   1.174  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot BigGame                    105.0     49.0     3.18    2876    98.4    52185    8471   1.209  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355                       105.0     47.7     3.09    2874   100.0    57277    7407   1.190  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140                    102.2     46.5     3.02    2874   100.0    59000    7300   1.170  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2230                    92.4     45.7     2.96    2871   100.0    59000    7471   1.182  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540                    100.5     48.7     3.15    2870    99.2    59000    7960   1.174  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073                          90.8     44.5     2.88    2862   100.0    59000    7065   1.181  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12                  95.3     45.1     2.92    2860   100.0    59000    7157   1.171  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210                         90.6     43.4     2.82    2859   100.0    59000    7379   1.173  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S060                          98.4     44.7     2.90    2857    99.7    59000    7472   1.170  ! Near Maximum !
ADI BM2                             88.6     43.8     2.84    2849    99.9    59000    7321   1.174  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                      105.0     47.7     3.09    2849    99.1    51802    8212   1.236  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark                   95.6     43.9     2.84    2848    99.9    59000    7312   1.174  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x                 87.7     40.7     2.64    2846   100.0    59000    6797   1.183  ! Near Maximum !
SF-033 fl                           89.9     42.6     2.76    2846   100.0    59000    6664   1.188  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                      105.0     47.7     3.09    2845    99.0    51716    8206   1.236  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2200                       84.7     41.5     2.69    2843   100.0    59000    7089   1.172  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206                         98.4     45.2     2.93    2839    99.4    59000    7429   1.173  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate XMR 2015                   97.9     42.5     2.75    2835   100.0    59000    6764   1.189  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     105.0     51.9     3.37    2832    94.3    49515    8781   1.234
ADI AR 2206H                        97.4     45.2     2.93    2831    99.3    59000    7388   1.173  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895                       98.5     45.2     2.93    2831    99.3    59000    7388   1.173  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S335                        99.7     45.3     2.93    2827   100.0    59000    6971   1.187  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 200                           87.2     40.5     2.62    2822   100.0    59000    6608   1.199  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2700                   103.8     50.8     3.29    2816    94.2    59000    7749   1.183  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                       105.0     50.3     3.26    2810    92.5    51665    8428   1.234  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N133                     97.2     43.2     2.80    2808   100.0    59000    6556   1.178  ! Near Maximum !

ar15barrels · #17 01-09-2008, 10:19 PM

Code:

Cartridge          : .308 Win.
Bullet             : .308, 155, Lapua Scenar GB491
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch or 71.12 mm
Barrel Length      : 26.0 inch or 660.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.

Matching Maximum Pressure: 59000 psi, or 406 MPa

or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

59 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 80%. These powders have been skipped.

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
IMR 4895                           103.6     46.0     2.98    2946    99.9    59000    7908   1.146  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748                      95.8     46.7     3.03    2942   100.0    59000    7879   1.159  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B                         104.4     47.3     3.07    2941    99.2    59000    8238   1.167  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15                 103.8     47.1     3.05    2938    98.8    59000    8256   1.167  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11                       103.8     47.1     3.05    2938    98.8    59000    8256   1.167  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031                           101.7     44.1     2.86    2938   100.0    59000    7396   1.162  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan Sp 7                   103.6     50.3     3.26    2934    98.8    59000    8270   1.164  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2                       96.5     47.6     3.08    2922    99.8    59000    8011   1.172  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2520                    97.6     47.2     3.06    2919   100.0    59000    7661   1.177  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320                           102.2     47.1     3.05    2915    99.0    59000    7940   1.155  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11                  105.0     49.2     3.18    2911    98.6    55282    8360   1.184  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9                   100.9     47.2     3.06    2910    99.1    59000    7992   1.167  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate XMR 2495                  102.8     44.6     2.89    2909   100.0    59000    7299   1.199  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516                100.9     48.7     3.16    2906    97.6    59000    8167   1.167  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507                 97.2     46.0     2.98    2905    99.7    59000    7789   1.169  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321                        96.4     46.5     3.02    2905    99.8    59000    7833   1.174  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC                         96.6     45.9     2.97    2905    99.8    59000    7771   1.169  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335                        93.0     45.8     2.97    2904   100.0    59000    7612   1.168  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150                    104.7     46.9     3.04    2900   100.0    59000    7296   1.169  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202                          100.9     45.0     2.92    2892   100.0    59000    7407   1.175  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341                       100.1     48.3     3.13    2891    99.0    59000    7792   1.168  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 10                   90.5     43.8     2.84    2889   100.0    59000    7355   1.174  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208                        101.9     46.4     3.01    2888    98.6    59000    7880   1.166  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 508                 90.5     43.9     2.85    2887   100.0    59000    7346   1.174  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201                          100.8     44.9     2.91    2884    99.7    59000    7654   1.185  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322                        93.5     42.4     2.75    2883   100.0    59000    7115   1.167  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219                         90.6     42.4     2.75    2883   100.0    59000    7115   1.167  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET                     100.3     45.7     2.96    2882    99.1    59000    7740   1.167  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064                           103.1     45.7     2.96    2882    98.7    59000    7720   1.170  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902                      101.2     45.1     2.92    2880    99.7    59000    7623   1.186  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       103.7     50.6     3.28    2876    91.6    59000    8327   1.176  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator                91.5     43.0     2.79    2875   100.0    59000    7152   1.176  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2460                    95.9     45.8     2.97    2874    99.9    59000    7427   1.189  ! Near Maximum !
Nitrochemie A/S 0300                87.8     40.8     2.65    2874   100.0    59000    6822   1.175  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N135                    104.6     45.3     2.94    2870   100.0    59000    6929   1.178  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901                       97.2     42.8     2.78    2869   100.0    59000    7282   1.196  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                      102.9     48.7     3.15    2868    94.4    59000    8096   1.179  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                    105.0     49.7     3.22    2867    96.7    51552    8575   1.223  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140                    103.1     45.8     2.97    2863   100.0    59000    7120   1.175  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2230                    93.1     45.0     2.91    2860    99.9    59000    7284   1.187  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540                    101.2     47.9     3.10    2858    99.1    59000    7753   1.179  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate XMR 4064                  105.0     46.0     2.98    2857   100.0    53868    7582   1.240  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     105.0     50.2     3.25    2856    93.7    51894    8551   1.216  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073                          91.6     43.8     2.84    2851   100.0    59000    6890   1.185  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12                  96.0     44.4     2.88    2850   100.0    59000    6979   1.175  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210                         91.3     42.7     2.77    2847    99.9    59000    7194   1.178  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S060                          99.1     43.9     2.85    2845    99.6    59000    7279   1.176  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355                       105.0     46.6     3.02    2844   100.0    55684    7197   1.208  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot BigGame                    105.0     47.9     3.10    2841    98.0    50799    8193   1.227
SF-033 fl                           90.7     42.0     2.72    2838   100.0    59000    6499   1.193  ! Near Maximum !
ADI BM2                             89.3     43.1     2.79    2837    99.9    59000    7136   1.179  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x                 88.4     40.1     2.60    2836   100.0    59000    6628   1.188  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark                   96.3     43.2     2.80    2836    99.9    59000    7128   1.179  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2200                       85.3     40.8     2.64    2831   100.0    59000    6912   1.178  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206                         99.1     44.4     2.88    2826    99.3    59000    7234   1.179  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate XMR 2015                   98.7     41.8     2.71    2826   100.0    59000    6595   1.194  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895                       99.1     44.5     2.88    2819    99.2    59000    7192   1.179  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H                        98.1     44.5     2.88    2819    99.2    59000    7192   1.179  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S335                       100.4     44.5     2.89    2816   100.0    59000    6797   1.192  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                      105.0     46.6     3.02    2815    98.8    50283    7954   1.256
Norma 200                           88.0     39.9     2.58    2813   100.0    59000    6443   1.204  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                      105.0     46.6     3.02    2811    98.6    50204    7946   1.256
Accurate No.2700                   104.5     50.0     3.24    2801    93.9    59000    7522   1.189  ! Near Maximum !

ar15barrels · #18 01-09-2008, 10:20 PM

Code:

Cartridge          : .308 Win.
Bullet             : .308, 168, Sierra HPBT MatchK 2200
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch or 71.12 mm
Barrel Length      : 26.0 inch or 660.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.

Matching Maximum Pressure: 59000 psi, or 406 MPa

or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

61 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 80%. These powders have been skipped.

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
SNPE Vectan SP 11                  105.0     48.7     3.16    2847    99.5    58684    8260   1.195  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895                           101.9     44.8     2.90    2830   100.0    59000    7669   1.186  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B                         102.5     46.1     2.98    2824    99.6    59000    8022   1.209  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11                       102.0     45.8     2.97    2823    99.3    59000    8050   1.209  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15                 102.0     45.8     2.97    2823    99.3    59000    8050   1.209  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748                      94.0     45.4     2.94    2822   100.0    59000    7627   1.201  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan Sp 7                   101.9     49.0     3.17    2820    99.3    59000    8067   1.205  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031                            99.8     42.9     2.78    2811   100.0    59000    7159   1.206  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                    105.0     49.2     3.19    2810    98.1    54989    8539   1.232  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2                       94.8     46.3     3.00    2805    99.9    59000    7782   1.214  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     105.0     49.7     3.22    2803    95.6    55112    8571   1.225  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320                           100.5     45.9     2.97    2802    99.5    59000    7747   1.196  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2520                    95.8     45.9     2.97    2798   100.0    59000    7412   1.221  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9                    99.2     46.0     2.98    2795    99.5    59000    7792   1.208  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516                 99.3     47.5     3.08    2795    98.3    59000    7999   1.207  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507                 95.6     44.8     2.90    2789    99.9    59000    7567   1.211  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321                        94.7     45.3     2.94    2788   100.0    59000    7607   1.217  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC                         94.9     44.7     2.90    2788   100.0    59000    7548   1.211  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate XMR 4064                  105.0     45.6     2.96    2786   100.0    57600    7395   1.249  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335                        91.4     44.6     2.89    2785   100.0    59000    7377   1.210  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate XMR 2495                  100.7     43.3     2.80    2782   100.0    59000    7061   1.244  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot BigGame                    105.0     47.4     3.07    2780    99.1    53907    8122   1.239  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341                        98.4     47.1     3.05    2778    99.4    59000    7598   1.210  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150                    102.7     45.6     2.96    2777   100.0    59000    7073   1.213  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208                        100.2     45.3     2.93    2776    99.1    59000    7702   1.207  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       102.1     49.4     3.20    2773    92.9    59000    8229   1.216  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202                           99.1     43.8     2.84    2772   100.0    59000    7178   1.218  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET                      98.6     44.5     2.89    2769    99.5    59000    7551   1.208  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064                           101.3     44.5     2.89    2769    99.3    59000    7535   1.212  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 10                   88.9     42.7     2.76    2768   100.0    59000    7126   1.216  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201                           99.0     43.8     2.84    2768    99.9    59000    7435   1.228  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 508                 88.9     42.7     2.77    2767   100.0    59000    7117   1.217  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355                       104.9     46.1     2.99    2765   100.0    59000    7033   1.223  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902                       99.4     43.9     2.85    2764    99.9    59000    7405   1.228  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                      101.3     47.5     3.08    2763    95.5    59000    7977   1.219  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219                         88.9     41.3     2.67    2761   100.0    59000    6896   1.211  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322                        91.8     41.3     2.67    2761   100.0    59000    6896   1.211  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2460                    94.2     44.6     2.89    2757   100.0    59000    7193   1.232  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator                89.8     41.9     2.71    2754   100.0    59000    6932   1.219  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                      105.0     46.1     2.99    2753    99.6    53693    7847   1.265  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                      105.0     46.1     2.99    2750    99.5    53598    7847   1.266  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901                       95.4     41.7     2.70    2750   100.0    59000    7053   1.239  ! Near Maximum !
Nitrochemie A/S 0300                86.1     39.7     2.57    2748   100.0    59000    6609   1.220  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540                     99.6     46.7     3.02    2747    99.5    59000    7575   1.221  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N135                    102.6     44.1     2.86    2747   100.0    59000    6713   1.222  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     105.0     50.2     3.26    2745    95.6    51095    8493   1.263
Vihtavuori N140                    101.2     44.6     2.89    2744   100.0    59000    6903   1.218  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2230                    91.4     43.8     2.84    2743   100.0    59000    7059   1.230  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S060                          97.5     42.8     2.78    2732    99.9    59000    7085   1.218  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210                         89.8     41.6     2.70    2731   100.0    59000    6982   1.220  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073                          89.9     42.6     2.76    2731   100.0    59000    6675   1.229  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12                  94.3     43.2     2.80    2730   100.0    59000    6771   1.219  ! Near Maximum !
ADI BM2                             87.8     42.0     2.72    2722   100.0    59000    6928   1.221  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                       105.0     48.7     3.16    2722    93.9    53410    8164   1.264  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark                   94.7     42.1     2.73    2721   100.0    59000    6921   1.221  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206                         97.5     43.3     2.81    2715    99.7    59000    7056   1.220  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2200                       83.9     39.7     2.57    2714   100.0    59000    6702   1.220  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x                 86.8     39.0     2.53    2712   100.0    59000    6426   1.233  ! Near Maximum !
SF-033 fl                           88.9     40.8     2.64    2711   100.0    59000    6296   1.239  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H                        96.5     43.4     2.81    2708    99.6    59000    7020   1.220  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895                       97.6     43.4     2.81    2708    99.6    59000    7020   1.220  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate XMR 2015                   96.9     40.7     2.64    2703   100.0    59000    6393   1.239  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2700                   102.9     48.8     3.16    2700    95.0    59000    7419   1.229  ! Near Maximum !

ar15barrels · #19 01-09-2008, 10:27 PM

Code:

Cartridge          : .308 Win.
Bullet             : .308, 175, Sierra HPBT MatchK 2275
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch or 71.12 mm
Barrel Length      : 26.0 inch or 660.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.

Matching Maximum Pressure: 59000 psi, or 406 MPa

or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

62 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 80%. These powders have been skipped.

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
SNPE Vectan SP 11                  104.7     47.7     3.09    2786    99.7    59000    8034   1.217  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895                           101.5     43.8     2.84    2764   100.0    59000    7434   1.211  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B                         102.1     45.0     2.92    2759    99.7    59000    7792   1.233  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                    105.0     48.3     3.13    2759    98.5    55880    8343   1.249  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15                 101.5     44.7     2.90    2758    99.5    59000    7822   1.234  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11                       101.5     44.7     2.90    2758    99.5    59000    7822   1.234  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan Sp 7                   101.4     47.9     3.10    2756    99.5    59000    7840   1.230  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748                      93.6     44.4     2.88    2755   100.0    59000    7393   1.227  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     105.0     48.8     3.16    2754    96.2    55937    8392   1.242  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031                            99.3     41.9     2.71    2743   100.0    59000    6939   1.232  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2                       94.4     45.2     2.93    2740   100.0    59000    7552   1.239  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320                           100.1     44.8     2.90    2738    99.6    59000    7527   1.221  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2520                    95.4     44.8     2.90    2732   100.0    59000    7184   1.246  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516                 98.9     46.4     3.01    2732    98.5    59000    7786   1.232  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate XMR 4064                  105.0     44.8     2.90    2731   100.0    58559    7184   1.266  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9                    98.7     44.9     2.91    2731    99.6    59000    7571   1.233  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot BigGame                    105.0     46.5     3.02    2729    99.3    54714    7923   1.256  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507                 95.1     43.8     2.84    2724   100.0    59000    7343   1.236  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321                        94.3     44.3     2.87    2723   100.0    59000    7381   1.242  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC                         94.4     43.7     2.83    2723   100.0    59000    7323   1.236  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335                        91.0     43.6     2.83    2719   100.0    59000    7155   1.236  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate XMR 2495                  100.2     42.3     2.74    2715   100.0    59000    6844   1.270  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341                        98.0     46.0     2.98    2714    99.6    59000    7381   1.235  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       101.7     48.3     3.13    2713    93.3    59000    8036   1.241  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208                         99.8     44.2     2.87    2712    99.3    59000    7492   1.232  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150                    102.3     44.6     2.89    2710   100.0    59000    6861   1.239  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202                           98.6     42.8     2.77    2705   100.0    59000    6962   1.244  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET                      98.2     43.5     2.82    2705    99.7    59000    7339   1.234  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064                           100.9     43.5     2.82    2705    99.4    59000    7324   1.237  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201                           98.6     42.8     2.77    2703   100.0    59000    7214   1.253  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                      105.0     45.3     2.93    2702    99.8    54570    7642   1.282  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 10                   88.5     41.7     2.70    2702   100.0    59000    6911   1.242  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                      100.9     46.4     3.01    2701    95.9    59000    7781   1.244  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 508                 88.4     41.7     2.70    2701   100.0    59000    6903   1.242  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902                       99.0     42.9     2.78    2700   100.0    59000    7185   1.254  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                      105.0     45.3     2.93    2699    99.7    54471    7644   1.283  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355                       104.4     45.0     2.92    2699   100.0    59000    6820   1.249  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     105.0     49.3     3.19    2698    96.1    51832    8321   1.280  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219                         88.5     40.3     2.61    2694   100.0    59000    6688   1.237  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322                        91.4     40.3     2.61    2694   100.0    59000    6688   1.237  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2460                    93.7     43.6     2.82    2692   100.0    59000    6972   1.258  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator                89.4     40.9     2.65    2687   100.0    59000    6723   1.245  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540                     99.2     45.6     2.96    2685    99.6    59000    7368   1.246  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901                       94.9     40.7     2.64    2684   100.0    59000    6839   1.265  ! Near Maximum !
Nitrochemie A/S 0300                85.7     38.8     2.51    2680   100.0    59000    6409   1.246  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N135                    102.1     43.1     2.79    2680   100.0    59000    6508   1.249  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140                    100.8     43.6     2.82    2679   100.0    59000    6696   1.244  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2230                    91.0     42.7     2.77    2679   100.0    59000    6843   1.256  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                       105.0     47.8     3.10    2674    94.5    54220    8005   1.281  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S060                          97.1     41.9     2.71    2667    99.9    59000    6878   1.243  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210                         89.4     40.7     2.64    2666   100.0    59000    6773   1.246  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12                  93.9     42.2     2.74    2665   100.0    59000    6569   1.245  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073                          89.5     41.6     2.69    2665   100.0    59000    6471   1.255  ! Near Maximum !
ADI BM2                             87.4     41.0     2.66    2658   100.0    59000    6720   1.247  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark                   94.3     41.1     2.66    2657   100.0    59000    6713   1.247  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206                         97.1     42.3     2.74    2652    99.8    59000    6855   1.246  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2200                       83.5     38.8     2.52    2649   100.0    59000    6501   1.246  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x                 86.4     38.1     2.47    2645   100.0    59000    6234   1.259  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H                        96.1     42.4     2.75    2645    99.7    59000    6822   1.245  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895                       97.2     42.4     2.75    2645    99.7    59000    6822   1.245  ! Near Maximum !
SF-033 fl                           88.4     39.8     2.58    2643   100.0    59000    6104   1.265  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2700                   102.6     47.7     3.09    2640    95.4    59000    7238   1.254  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate XMR 2015                   96.4     39.7     2.57    2637   100.0    59000    6200   1.265  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S335                        98.3     42.4     2.75    2634   100.0    59000    6399   1.261  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350                           105.0     45.8     2.97    2628    94.9    48811    7871   1.316
Norma 200                           85.9     37.8     2.45    2622   100.0    59000    6055   1.276  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate XMR 4350                  105.0     46.3     3.00    2617    97.1    46135    7926   1.359
Vihtavuori N133                     95.8     40.4     2.62    2612   100.0    59000    6015   1.254  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4198                       89.4     36.4     2.36    2600   100.0    59000    5932   1.248  ! Near Maximum !

Jicko · #20 01-09-2008, 10:58 PM

Randall, you are awesome!!!! Thanks 1000!!!

ar15barrels · #21 01-09-2008, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jicko

Randall, you are awesome!!!! Thanks 1000!!!

I got your PM...

crowbar · #22 01-10-2008, 6:07 AM

I use 47.0 grains of a 2006 lot of Hodgdon's Varget in Winchester cases, 210M primers, and Sierra 155's. Average velocity on a really cold day- it was 38 and windy, this is California ; ) - was 2985 fps out of a 30" barrel. ES / SD weren't all that impressive, but the rounds held great elevation at 800, 900, and 1,000 yards. Interestingly, this is the same load I used with a 2002 lot of Varget where the average was 2995 fps.

Stockton · #23 01-10-2008, 7:52 AM

175 SMK
45g Varget
CCI BR2
Win Brass
Fire formed and necksized only
2658 Average on a 10shot spread
20" 1:11

30Cal · #24 01-10-2008, 7:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crowbar

I use 47.0 grains of a 2006 lot of Hodgdon's Varget in Winchester cases, 210M primers, and Sierra 155's. Average velocity on a really cold day- it was 38 and windy, this is California ; ) - was 2985 fps out of a 30" barrel. ES / SD weren't all that impressive, but the rounds held great elevation at 800, 900, and 1,000 yards. Interestingly, this is the same load I used with a 2002 lot of Varget where the average was 2995 fps.

There's been a lot of griping in some circles that Varget is somewhat variable from lot to lot. I've talked to quite a few people that talk about Varget in terms of "New Varget" and "Old Varget."

Jicko · #25 01-10-2008, 8:46 AM

Which is a better primer? CCI BR2 or Fed210M?

Also, are CCI #200 and Fed210, good enough?

Lastly, anyone know what primers do Lapua Ammunition(.308 WIN 155 Scenar) and BHA(.308 WIN 168SMK) use?

wildcard · #26 01-10-2008, 9:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jicko

Which is a better primer? CCI BR2 or Fed210M?

Also, are CCI #200 and Fed210, good enough?

Lastly, anyone know what primers do Lapua Ammunition(.308 WIN 155 Scenar) and BHA(.308 WIN 168SMK) use?

Why bother debating between BR2 and 210M? I'd be really surprised if you got hold of some 210M.

With that said.. I use BR2.. you really can't go wrong. They're supposed to have a harder cup and also be a little wider for a tight(er) fit.

ar15barrels · #27 01-10-2008, 9:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildcard

Why bother debating between BR2 and 210M? I'd be really surprised if you got hold of some 210M.

With that said.. I use BR2.. you really can't go wrong. They're supposed to have a harder cup and also be a little wider for a tight(er) fit.

I have some of the 210M from a while back.
What's the difference between them and BR primers?

Prc329 · #28 01-10-2008, 9:54 AM

From what I was told by the guy at the reloading store in angeles is you won't see much diff between the benchrest primers but you will get a more consistent burn with BR primers vs ordinary primers. Take that for what its worth.

crowbar · #29 01-10-2008, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 30Cal

There's been a lot of griping in some circles that Varget is somewhat variable from lot to lot. I've talked to quite a few people that talk about Varget in terms of "New Varget" and "Old Varget."

Many fellow Palma shooters talk in terms of old / new Varget, and charge weights have gone up a few grains since Varget first became popular; I've heard of using as much as 48 grains ! Hodgdon's website, a great resource, has a maximum of 47.0 with a Sierra 155. I was surprised to find the two lots averaged so closely. In warm weather the '02 lot gave 3,005 fps; I'll check the '06 lot when it gets warm and may up the charge a half grain. I buy 4 jugs of the same lot, when it's time for new powder, it's also time for a new barrel.

ar15barrels · #30 01-10-2008, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crowbar

I've heard of using as much as 48 grains ! Hodgdon's website, a great resource, has a maximum of 47.0 with a Sierra 155.

I recently ran a series of Varget loads with moly coated 155 SMK's through my gun.
46.0, 46.5 and 47.0
On the 47.0 series most showed more primer flattening than I was comfortable with.
There were some slight ejector swipes as well.
I dropped back to 46.5gr as my load to use.

This is with new Varget.

Jicko · #31 01-10-2008, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildcard

Why bother debating between BR2 and 210M? I'd be really surprised if you got hold of some 210M.

With that said.. I use BR2.. you really can't go wrong. They're supposed to have a harder cup and also be a little wider for a tight(er) fit.

Cuz... in my research, may reloaders seems to be very happy with 210M....

But i guess, if they couldn't be found... then.... BR2 it is... in small amount... cost really isn't that big of a difference between BR2 and... #200 and regular Fed210

4 Brigada · #32 01-10-2008, 12:47 PM

Wow 47 grs of varget. What cases do you use? Im using Win match and it start compressing power at 46 (seated for standard COL).

ar15barrels · #33 01-10-2008, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4 Brigada

Wow 47 grs of varget. What cases do you use? Im using Win match and it start compressing power at 46 (seated for standard COL).

MOLY COATED BULLETS allow more powder due to reduced friction.
Federal GMM brass that's once fired by a friend.
I don't think I am really compressing powder though.
Those 155's are short.

crowbar · #34 01-10-2008, 1:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ar15barrels

I recently ran a series of Varget loads with moly coated 155 SMK's through my gun.
46.0, 46.5 and 47.0
On the 47.0 series most showed more primer flattening than I was comfortable with.
There were some slight ejector swipes as well.
I dropped back to 46.5gr as my load to use.

This is with new Varget.

My fired primers are flatter than new, but the edges are still rounded and I couldn't measure any increased case web expansion from 46.0 to 46.5 to 47.0 grains. 46.5 grains would probably work fine for me too, but I'm more confident with the bullet starting out closer to 3,000 fps.
What kind of velocity are you getting with 46.5 grains and mollied 155's ?
Regards,
Mike

Ahhnother8 · #35 01-10-2008, 5:52 PM

All fired through a 30" Krieger, .3065, Medium Palma contour, Winchester brass, Varget powder (two different lot #'s), jumped .020:

Russian primer, SMK 155, 45.5 gr., .430" group, 2996 fps, 12.6 ES, 7.3 SD - lightest tested
Russian primer, SMK 155, 47.0 gr., .520" group, 3071 fps, 17.2 ES, 10 SD - max. tested

CCI BR primer, SMK 155, 45.75 gr., .500" group, 2988 fps, 26.3 ES, 10.7 SD - lightest tested
CCI BR primer, SMK 155, 46.75 gr., .425" group, 3050 fps, 10.4 ES, 4.4 SD - max. tested

CCI BR primer, Lapua 155, 45.25 gr., .280" group, 3007 fps, 20.2 ES, 8.0 SD - lightest tested
CCI BR primer, Lapua 155, 46.5 gr., .435" group, 3077 fps, 10.6 ES, 5.0 SD - max. tested

These two lots of powder are not too bad, but one is likely 2007 and the other likely 2005. They are pretty similar in burn rate. The best lot EVER was from 2005, and is all gone.

Another lot from 2006 had erratic burn rates and produced terrible SD and ES. It was fine for anything under 800 yards, but was a disaster the further back you shot.

As far as different primers go - I tested Russian, Fed 210M, and CCI BR. The velocities were pretty similar, but each had its own velocity where the groups and SD and ES were best.

I have fired up to 47 1/2 grains at over 3100 fps, but saw no benefit to it. I know others who use 48 grains. I believe that the most recent Nosler manual lists 48 grains as a max load.

For this weekend's matches, I will load 46 grains of Varget, a SMK 155, and CCI BR primers. It shoots at 3013 fps, .335" groups, 10.1 ES, 5.5 SD. Should work just fine, but a Lapua 155 is my favorite load of all time.

Hope all of this typing is helpful to someone...
Lane

PistolPete75 · #36 01-10-2008, 10:34 PM

i heard that molly bullets are bad for your barrel from a reputable gunsmith. i rather stick with the good ol' copper jacketed bullets.

ar15barrels · #37 01-10-2008, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PistolPete75

i heard that molly bullets are bad for your barrel from a reputable gunsmith.

Do you believe everything you hear?
There are people saying they are good and other people saying they are bad (about ANYTHING).
I guess you just have to choose who to listen to...

4 Brigada · #38 01-11-2008, 4:14 AM

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i heard that molly bullets are bad for your barrel from a reputable gunsmith.

I guess any bullet going down the barrel would be bad for it

I dont use moly coated bullets, but its because of convenience(lazy). From what I have read you need different solvents to remove the build up in the barrel and its a longer procedure. And now, to tell you the truth with the way my MK.I eyeballs are going in the cr***per and the lack of practice I wouldnt be able to to tell if it makes a difference anyway. There use to be treatment for the barrel, so instead of adding the moly, shooting would remove it just had to reapply every so many shots, dont think it worked to good cause it didnt last to long on the market. My recipe for my M1A and .308 Garand is 155 SMK palma, Win match case, 43 gr of varget, fed 210 primers.(200 and 300 yd)

crowbar · #39 01-11-2008, 5:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 4 Brigada

Wow 47 grs of varget. What cases do you use? Im using Win match and it start compressing power at 46 (seated for standard COL).

I use the Winchester cases that weigh around 156 grains. I only neck size the cases so once they're fire formed to the chamber, they may hold a wee bit more Varget. 47.0 grains comes up almost to the top of the shoulder and leaves plenty of room for a Sierra 155. Lapuas are a different story tho'.
Regards,
Mike

crowbar · #40 01-11-2008, 5:12 AM

Lane,
My current stock of Varget is the 2006 lot and while the ES/SD numbers were not impressive, the load appears to hold great elevation at 1,000; it better work, I have 24 pounds to go thru.
Regards,
Mike

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