The ongoing C&R Vendor Report.

[Kodemonkey]

Originally Posted by BOFH

Emailed a PDF copy of my FFL to DealerSales@MidwayUSA.com along with my account number and other personal information last night, this AM my account had been updated.

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I just sent them an email and 19 minutes later I got a response email and my account has already been updated.

[beemaze]

Originally Posted by ai6pg

I placed an order with Bud's Gunshop for a Mosen Nagent Hex receiver 7.62x54R rifle. These are 5 round rifles. I already have a Mosen Nagent sniper rifle. They are C&R. I am an FFL03. They wanted an FFL01. I cancelled the order.

from noreply@budsgunshop.com

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PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS EMAIL.

Peter Grace,

A customer support staff member has replied to your support request, #532924 with the following response:

Due to the strict laws within your state and the fact that we do not deal with many of the C&R license eligible firearms we will only ship to a type 01 FFL at this time. I am not familiar with the DOJ's ruling on C&R's and we can not afford to risk our license on a shipment at this time. We apologize for the inconvenience.

We hope this response has sufficiently answered your questions.

Thank you for the business,
Derek
Budsgunshop.com

Bud's is a bulk seller, highly discounted new guns. They are too busy to deal with all of the nuances of CA law.

They will not even ship off list modern pistols to an 01FFL in CA regardless if that pistol is being sold to an exempt individual i.e. LEO.

No "black rifles" either.

Don't waste time with Bud's if you're shopping for C&R's. There are better deals to be had elsewhere.

[dogfood]

Originally Posted by ai6pg

from noreply@budsgunshop.com

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PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS EMAIL.

Peter Grace,

A customer support staff member has replied to your support request, #532924 with the following response:

Due to the strict laws within your state and the fact that we do not deal with many of the C&R license eligible firearms we will only ship to a type 01 FFL at this time. I am not familiar with the DOJ's ruling on C&R's and we can not afford to risk our license on a shipment at this time. We apologize for the inconvenience.

We hope this response has sufficiently answered your questions.

Thank you for the business,
Derek
Budsgunshop.com

in short "we're willfully ignorant. too bad for you."
that's a poisonous mentality. now that i know this i'm going to avoid them on principle.
thanks for the info, i'll be sure to tell others.

[salazar44]

this is awesome... excellent reporting!

[Rocnwilly]

Becky and the people at EMF are great to deal with and the prices were excellent. If they have what you are looking for. Many thanks to Calguns and this post. I spent $630 less than retail on the four guns purchased.

[Ima2Avoter]

what are the benefits of providing a copy to Midway or some of these places? Do they give discounts on product or is it just for reasons of expediency?

[Kodemonkey]

Originally Posted by Ima2Avoter

what are the benefits of providing a copy to Midway or some of these places? Do they give discounts on product or is it just for reasons of expediency?

Discounts. It varies from 5% to sometimes 25%. I paid for my C&R license in one order to midway.

[Quinc]

Originally Posted by Ima2Avoter

what are the benefits of providing a copy to Midway or some of these places? Do they give discounts on product or is it just for reasons of expediency?

I found that the best discounts are at grafs.com. Midway is about the same as using one of the discount codes.

[Ima2Avoter]

Originally Posted by Kodemonkey

Discounts. It varies from 5% to sometimes 25%. I paid for my C&R license in one order to midway.

Originally Posted by Quinc

I found that the best discounts are at grafs.com. Midway is about the same as using one of the discount codes.

Gentlemen, thank you for your additional knowledge.

[sszeto]

Can someone add YHM to the list?

[h0use]

Originally Posted by sszeto

Can someone add YHM to the list?

what kind of discounts do you get from yhm?

[Quinc]

what is yhm?

South ohio has m44's/m39's/etc in stock.

[h0use]

I think it's yankey hill machinery?

[Silverone858]

Originally Posted by lakai

Heres a .doc file containing a letter with addresses for 62 C&R vendors you can send. Its Approx. 62 pages. I find it very useful.

http://people.cs.vt.edu/wchiang/C&R-FFLs.doc

Great format on these letters now I just have to send em and get out my check book lol

[salazar44]

Originally Posted by Quinc

what is yhm?

South ohio has m44's/m39's/etc in stock.

YHM = Yankee Hill Machine Co.

[warbunker]

This is a great thread with tons of info, thanks to everyone who contributed.

[Breadfan]

tag

[microwaveguy]

Century Arms

Well FINALLY got setup with an account today ............ Emailed a copy of my license June 10 and heard nada back. Another email plus three phone calls and I have an account.

[CEDaytonaRydr]

Originally Posted by mcubed4130

Classicarms (NC) - http://www.classicarms.us - faxed, called no answer and no voicemail, tried to email no address available, on and off I tried calling on Fridays (my 1 day of the week I can call - no answer during posted work hours) - now nearly 3 months later, I happened to call (not-on a Friday), and actually SPOKE to someone! WOW... They confirmed, they do NOT have voicemail, and they do NOT do email, and in general they do NOT work on Fridays during the summer - as it's too hot? Anyway, they did say they now are again working on Friday's till 1pm EST; and they have no plans to add voicemail or email. So if you want to reliably contact them, call Monday-Thursday, 9am-5pm EST. Oh, and yes - they did have my FFL I faxed to them on file from 3 months before; but I guess they don't contact people either. Seems like a rather odd way to do business, but I guess they get enough business to survive operating in this way.

I'm surprised you've had so many issues with Classic. They have been "good as gold", in my experience.

[fizux]

Originally Posted by mcubed4130

Midwayusa - http://www.midwayusa.com - faxed w/email followup, online acct modified with dealer page by morning next day.

I sent my 03FFL, CoE, and my MidwayUSA account number to:
customerservice@midwayusa.com
They upgraded me to a dealer account and confirmed by e-mail in 7 minutes. Too easy...

[billmaykafer]

Originally Posted by mcubed4130

Added a "family friendly warning to - IO Inc." I think sometimes they think they are in the women's underwear selling business instead of the firearms business.

-M3

well if your sweetie fired some russian surplus out of my 1944 Izhevsk MN M44 she may need a change of underwear.

[TacticalPlinker]

What is the best way to send out my C&R (and COE when I get it)???

Fax? Mail? Scan & E-mail?

Or does it depend on the actual vendor?

Also, besides a signed copy of the C&R/COE and cover letter, anything else I should send along with it? Like copy of my drivers license?

Thanks!


EDIT: If you use that .doc file with 60 something C&R vendors, please check the contact information before printing the letters or mailing your C&R to those vendors. I found several vendors (at least 9) where the address and/or phone numbers vary from what is currently posted online and what is in that .doc file! So there is chance your C&R may not reach its desired destination if the address is no longer valid.

[MrTokarev]

I always snail mail mine in, I just find it easier than trying to figure out who needs the hard copy and who'll accept an email. Then, a couple weeks after I mail em out, I'll call if they haven't contacted me and just verify that they have it.

And definitely +1 to Classic Arms. I've done the bulk of my C&R shopping through them and they've always been great to but from. Their website used to be a little difficult to use but they've re-done it recently. Personally, I like to call in my order since I can verify that something is in stock.

Originally Posted by TacticalPlinker

What is the best way to send out my C&R (and COE when I get it)???

Fax? Mail? Scan & E-mail?

Or does it depend on the actual vendor?

Also, besides a signed copy of the C&R/COE and cover letter, anything else I should send along with it? Like copy of my drivers license?

Thanks!


EDIT: If you use that .doc file with 60 something C&R vendors, please check the contact information before printing the letters or mailing your C&R to those vendors. I found several vendors (at least 9) where the address and/or phone numbers vary from what is currently posted online and what is in that .doc file! So there is chance your C&R may not reach its desired destination if the address is no longer valid.

[707electrician]

Has anyone tried natchez or powdervalley?

[0321jarhead]

Concering Bud's, one year ago this month I had ordered a Lyman Great Plains .50 cal. black powder rifle. I paid for it buy credit card. It was ready to be shipped. But, wait! They insisted that it had to go to an FFL/01 dealer. Not to my house. I cancelled the order and bought one from http://thegunworks.com/ Not a prolem. Sent to my house the next day. Nice folks there. So, screw Bud's for anything.

[Quinc]

Originally Posted by fizux

I sent my 03FFL, CoE, and my MidwayUSA account number to:
customerservice@midwayusa.com
They upgraded me to a dealer account and confirmed by e-mail in 7 minutes. Too easy...

midwayusa sucks. much better discounts at brownells, plus you can use coupon codes for free shipping etc.

[707electrician]

My midway account was setup quickly but looking through the website, all the prices that say "dealer price" are exactly the same as their normal prices!

[Pthfndr]

Originally Posted by 707electrician

My midway account was setup quickly but looking through the website, all the prices that say "dealer price" are exactly the same as their normal prices!

Did you sign in? I get different prices when I sign in vs when I don't. Same thing at Graf and Brownell's.

[707electrician]

Originally Posted by Pthfndr

Did you sign in? I get different prices when I sign in vs when I don't. Same thing at Graf and Brownell's.

Yeah Im signed in. I am only seeing discounts on a select few items and I mean very few

[Drabnor]

Just got this from J&G Sales:

"We only accept original ink signed copies of 03 (C&R) FFLs via mail."

[Bumslie]

This is the link I used for those who want to email their C&R in. It provides the website and the email address to contact.

http://www.ar15.com/mobile/topic.html?b=6&f=14&t=295487

I created an account at Brownelles. Emailed them 5 minutes later, and within 20 minutes I was contacted and my account was updated to show the discounted price. Love it.

-Mike

[Bobby Ricigliano]

Here's my recent experience:

J&G only accepts signed copies sent via snail mail. However they updated my account within 5 days or so of me mailing it. I then ordered my items no problem.


Classic Arms accepted my 03 via
email and I placed an order within one day.

Both places had comparable prices on the same items and provided excellent communication and tracking information.

[beemaze]

Originally Posted by Bobby Ricigliano

Here's my recent experience:

Classic Arms accepted my 03 via
email and I placed an order within one day.

Both places had comparable prices on the same items and provided excellent communication and tracking information.

+1 on Classic Arms

[microwaveguy]

I got set up with Samco Global last month. Uploaded a scanned / signed copy of my FFL03 without an issue .............. took some convincing that it was legal to ship the M1 carbine without the evil 15 rnd mag

[CEDaytonaRydr]

Originally Posted by Bobby Ricigliano

Here's my recent experience:

J&G only accepts signed copies sent via snail mail. However they updated my account within 5 days or so of me mailing it. I then ordered my items no problem.

That happened to me too.

I wonder why they do that. It says right on the document that copies are okay.

[morrcarr67]

Originally Posted by CEDaytonaRydr

That happened to me too.

I wonder why they do that. It says right on the document that copies are okay.

Old school. Century does the same thing.

[dseom]

Originally Posted by GSequoia

Yes, sticky for sure!

Recoil on any 12-gauge, while far from horrible, is far greater than a .308, let alone a 5.56 or 7.62×39, and many shooters, men and women (whether those shooters will admit it or not) are incredibly intimidated by the perceived recoil of the “mighty twelve.” I’ve watched grown men, weighing far more than my 210 pounds, who were physically much stronger, clench up in anticipation of the recoil in an 870 or 500. As any moderately good marksmanship instructor will gladly inform you, anticipating recoil this way is a sure way to shoot like ****. The idea that a shotgun is simpler to operate than a fighting rifle or carbine is, to put it simply, wrong. Anyone who argues otherwise either A) does not know how to run a fighting rifle properly, or B) has not actually thought about what they’re preaching in a rational manner.

Fire Hoses

[lakersefa]

Originally Posted by rsrocket1

Correct. You have to be an informed shopper with Midway and their coupon codes. Sometimes, its cheaper to go that way rather than log in as yourself and get the "dealer discount".

Great to know. Thanks!

[ThemBastards]

So these dealer benefits - I signed up with Midway and noticed that the price of ammo went up when I was logged in as opposed to when I was logged out. A 16.29 box of x54r became $16.49 when I was logged in. what the hell

[TacticalVantage]

I found Centerfire systems the easiest to work with