Have an Old Winchester?

[shovel80]

Thanks Trapp!

I sent some photos too your e-mail!

Terry

[TRAP55]

WOW that's nice! You have to start a thread here, and post those pics for bragging rights!

[shovel80]

Hey Trapp, Here are the Photos of the rifle I picked up today!

Terry

[GMG]

Trapp I have one for you.

My son picked up a model 74 22lr. Winchester semi auto. Serial # L04774.

Any info would be appreciated...........Thanks!

[TRAP55]

Originally Posted by GMG

Trapp I have one for you.

My son picked up a model 74 22lr. Winchester semi auto. Serial # L04774.

Any info would be appreciated...........Thanks!

It shows as 1939, with 30,890 made that year. Made 1938 to 1959, but my data shows no info for 1938, and ends at 1955. I would safely guess yours was 1938 with a serial number that low.

[GMG]

TRAPP. As always, thank you for the info.

[TRAP55]

GMG, I had one briefly, in .22 short. Used it for shooting rats in the chicken barns, dead on accurate. Sadly one of those guns you kick yourself for selling years later.

[smokinstang65]

Hrmmm, I got my Grandad's Winchester Model 88, Serial #15559. All I know is he bought it in the 50's or 60's new.

[TRAP55]

Originally Posted by smokinstang65

Hrmmm, I got my Grandad's Winchester Model 88, Serial #15559. All I know is he bought it in the 50's or 60's new.

Made in 1955, first year of production, 18,378 made that year.

[smokinstang65]

Hey sweet, thanks. Didn't realize it was a first year model.

[CrazyED]

Trapp55:
Looking for some help on 2 Winchester 1897s. My grandfather just ran across these 2 guns, his lady friend has them and wants to get rid of them. they were her dads and I guess are apparently in pristine condition. Wood, bore and all metal is mint condition. Are these guns worth anything? I believe they are the standard edition but i'm not totally sure.

#482197
#338084 D

Thanks.

[TRAP55]

#482197 was made in early 1910, with 39,832 made that year.
#338084 D was made in 1906, with 42,645 made that year.
The "D" was to indicate a production change, could have been something as simple as changing one screw size, or even how the screw was made. There isn't to my knowledge, any real info concerning the letter prefix/suffix on Winchester serial numbers, and the production change they would indicate.

Value? "pristine" and "mint" can easily describe a refinished gun to the untrained eye, or an unmolested safe queen. There are some versions of the 1897 that bring a premium, some a BIG premium! With the cowboy action shooting, many have been re-finished and/or chopped, so even Field grade guns have come up in value.
Even with pics, I can only guesstimate. Bert Hartman prefers a hands on evaluation, but with good quality pics, he will give you an honest appraisal with current fair market price.
You can email him at: Win1885@msn.com
Tell him Trap sent you, and be sure to put "1897 Winchester" in the subject line.

[CrazyED]

Thanks so much for the response!

[DC45]

Hi Trap...
I have a few, if you don't mind.
Win 1895 SN 419927 Caliber? Barrel says .30, but is that .30-06, .30-30, .30-40, .303?
Win 1892 SN 11188
Win 61 SN 99181
Win 1897 135292 C
Thanks.

[TRAP55]

Originally Posted by DC45

Hi Trap...
I have a few, if you don't mind.
Win 1895 SN 419927 Caliber? Barrel says .30, but is that .30-06, .30-30, .30-40, .303?
Win 1892 SN 11188
Win 61 SN 99181
Win 1897 135292 C
Thanks.

Win 1895 SN 419927 was made early in 1924, only 1144 made that year, with serial numbers from 419731 to 420874. Marked ".30 Army" would be a 30/40, too late a production to be a 30-03, so marked ".30", it has to be a 30/06. The 06 was the only rimless of those choices with the 30/03 exception, bolt face will confirm that.

Win 1892 SN 11188 was made in 1893, with 15,683 made that year.

Win 61 SN 99181 was made in early 1948, with 24,175 made that year.

Win 1897 135292 C was made in 1901, with 34,209 made that year.

[irish7734]

Hey ya Trap,
model 12
240223

thanks,
Irish

[TRAP55]

Originally Posted by irish7734

Hey ya Trap,
model 12
240223

thanks,
Irish

Irish, that one was made early in 1920, with 50,959 made that year.

[Steve467]

Hi Trap,
My dad handed down to me a ,
Winchester Model 64, Serial #11303XX, 32 ws 24 in barrel, found a number 36 stamped
in-front of the trigger. Are papers available showing who ordered the rifle? either my grandfather or his dad. Back in 1937 it's a toss up.
any information greatly appreciated.

Thank you, Trap
Steve,

[TRAP55]

Originally Posted by Steve467

Hi Trap,
My dad handed down to me a ,
Winchester Model 64, Serial #11303XX, 32 ws 24 in barrel, found a number 36 stamped
in-front of the trigger. Are papers available showing who ordered the rifle? either my grandfather or his dad. Back in 1937 it's a toss up.
any information greatly appreciated.

Thank you, Trap
Steve,

Steve, Made in 1937.
The Model 64 serial numbers were in the Model 1894 range, so I don't have the production number of 64's for that year. They were made from 1933 to 1957, with an approximate total of 66,783 made.
Bert Hartman is doing a survey on the 64's, and has access to the Cody records, he can tell you if there is a letter available. "IF" there is, it can show as little as to when it was shipped, or show that, and where it was shipped, and can include the business it was shipped to, like a hardware store. Special order rifles "may" sometimes include for who, but very rare.
Any special features the rifle had when shipped will be noted, and any repairs or alterations done, if sent back to Winchester for the work.
You can contact Bert at Win1885@msn.com , tell him Trap sent you, and be sure to put "Winchester Model 64" in the subject line. He'll want good clear pics too!

[arsilva32]

Originally Posted by TRAP55

SN. 424766B, made 1892, 35,969 made that year
SN. 295951B, made 1889, 38,651 made that year, PR records on both.

Looking at this list of sterilized numbers, really gets you thinking.
Pretty amazing when you think how primitive things were in 1889, how complex an 1873 is, and they still produced over "38 THOUSAND" rifles that year!
And 122 years later, it was made well enough that it's still here, and probably in working condition. Think about it for a minute, how many other tools in your house right now are 122 yrs old?

no doubt! very well made rifles.i bet there are not many modern firearms that will survive that long.


great thread!

[Steve467]

Thanks again Trap. Will contact Bert H. have to figure out wife's camera,lol. Getting this one nailed down is great. Only six more guns to research....btw I love the this forum a great resource to have available. And a great read too..

Thanks again, take care.
Steve

[J-rod39]

Trap when you get a minute I have a few Winchesters for you to check if you don't mind.
94 SRC #596559
94 SRC #941693
94 SRC #986087
94 #2217463
94 #1067528

1895 #20627
1895 #40598

Model 12 16ga Black Diamond #162050

Thanks!

[TRAP55]

Originally Posted by J-rod39

Trap when you get a minute I have a few Winchesters for you to check if you don't mind.
94 SRC #596559
94 SRC #941693
94 SRC #986087
94 #2217463
94 #1067528

1895 #20627
1895 #40598

Model 12 16ga Black Diamond #162050

Thanks!

A FEW??? I want your gun safe!

94 SRC #596559 made early 1913, 54,023 made that year.
94 SRC #941693 made 1922, with 15,722 made that year.
94 SRC #986087 made late 1925, with 13,027 made that year.
94 #2217463 made early 1956, with 55,500 made that year.
94 #1067528 made 1930, with 10,521 made that year.

1895 #20627 made early 1899, with 4,744 made that year. 699th C&R 1895 made in 1899.
1895 #40598 made 1903, with 4,504 made that year.

Model 12 16ga Black Diamond #162050 made early in 1917, with 33,649 made that year. You owe me a pic of this one!

[J-rod39]

LOL! You can have the safe but the guns stay with me! All my over time at work lately has caused me to have an issue with my safe suddenly being too small

The model 12 has seen quite a few rounds of trap from the looks of it but it still functions well. I got lucky when I bought it the gun store had no clue what they had and I got it for about 1/6 of what its worth! I almost felt bad.....almost. I will try to get you some pics this weekend.

Thanks for all the great info!!!

[finloq]

Trap, how about:
'94 #2321552

[highpower]

Great thread! Thanks for taking the time to answer all these posts. OK now I have one for you 1897 serial# 631271. Currently configured as a trench gun, but I believe that it came out as a riot gun.

[TRAP55]

Originally Posted by finloq

Trap, how about:
'94 #2321552

Finloq, your '94 was made in late 1958, with 55,500 made that year.

[finloq]

Thanks Trap.
Any plans to publish this data? I would imagine that a $5 pamphlet (cheap and easy binding), would do well.

[TRAP55]

highpower, your 1897 serial# 631271 was made late 1915, with 13,100 made that year.
The 1897 is another of Bert's passions, the 1885's are his obsession!
Send him an email and see if it letters, at the very least it should say if it was shipped to the military or law enforcement.

[highpower]

Originally Posted by TRAP55

highpower, your 1897 serial# 631271 was made late 1915, with 13,100 made that year.
The 1897 is another of Bert's passions, the 1885's are his obsession!
Send him an email and see if it letters, at the very least it should say if it was shipped to the military or law enforcement.

I know you must have posted it already, but how do I contact him?

[TRAP55]

Post #220 above on this page, "Winchester" in the subject line, and tell him I sent ya!
Ask him if he can find out what it was issued as(riot or trench) and who it was sent to if he can. Sometimes it will letter, and there's nothing more than how it was shipped, so don't get your hopes up.

[Mark51]

Hi Trap:

Do you have any information on a Model 1873, serial number 567017B?

Thanks!

[TRAP55]

Originally Posted by Mark51

Hi Trap:

Do you have any information on a Model 1873, serial number 567017B?

Thanks!

Made early 1903, with9472 made that year.

[TRAP55]

Originally Posted by finloq

Thanks Trap.
Any plans to publish this data? I would imagine that a $5 pamphlet (cheap and easy binding), would do well.

It's been published and sold out, it's what I'm using to quote from. There's rumor a new updated version may be out sometime this year.

[finloq]

Now, you keep us informed now.

[TRAP55]

Bert should be pretty close to completing the first comprehensive book on the 1885 Winchester too. I think he mentioned it would be a hardcover, and would have color pics. If it does, it would be worth the price, just for the eye candy! He has a couple that far exceed the value of my entire collection.
I'll keep you all posted when the books will be for sale.

[Mark51]

Originally Posted by TRAP55

Made early 1903, with9472 made that year.

Wow, very cool to know!

Just to clarify, are you saying there were only 9,472 total Model 1873's made in 1903 (as opposed to 9,472 rifles of this specific varation)?

Thank you very much for taking the time to look this up for me!!

[TRAP55]

There were only 9,472 total, Model 1873's made in 1903. Total production(1873-1933) numbered 720,610.
The first year of 1873, only 126 were made. The last year of 1933 only 1 was made.
The most made in one year was 1890, with 43,796 made that year.
1920 was the first year 0 were made, and in the next 13 years, only 108 were made, with 102 of those made in 1929. Many years had no production at all.
Made in calibers:
.22 Short
.22 Long
.32/20
.38/40
.44/40

[Mark51]

Wow, thats great - really interesting stuff! It seems like the more information you give me the more questions it seems to bring up!

I wonder how many people they had building rifles back in 1890? If they were only running one shift, that total number works out to a rate of about 21 rifles per hour! Pretty impressive rate for back in those days!

The 1920-1933 production numbers sure seem rather odd. Do you have any idea what prompted the 102 rifles being built in 1929 when only 6 others were made during the other 12 years?

I wonder if these 6 were some sort of comeratives or if back then they just would take an order and build up a single standard rifle?

Thanks again for the details as it is fun to know some of the history surrounding the rifle!

Mark

Originally Posted by TRAP55

There were only 9,472 total, Model 1873's made in 1903. Total production(1873-1933) numbered 720,610.
The first year of 1873, only 126 were made. The last year of 1933 only 1 was made.
The most made in one year was 1890, with 43,796 made that year.
1920 was the first year 0 were made, and in the next 13 years, only 108 were made, with 102 of those made in 1929. Many years had no production at all.
Made in calibers:
.22 Short
.22 Long
.32/20
.38/40
.44/40

[TRAP55]

Mark, production "officially" ended in 1919. I don't know for sure, but my WAG is all those last rifles had to be a special order. The 1892 was a far superior design, and chambered in the same calibers, so you would have to really "want" a 1873 at that time.
The last 1873 was delivered to Abercrombie & Fitch in NY.
With the exception of the Madis reference, here's a pretty good summary of the 1873 production.
http://www.ogca.com/winchestermodel1873s.htm