Have an Old Winchester?

[BruceR]

Thank Trap!

With better than 13,000 made that year, I guess my '94 isn't so terribly rare . . .

[TRAP55]

Originally Posted by BruceR

Thank Trap!

With better than 13,000 made that year, I guess my '94 isn't so terribly rare . . .

Bruce, bad guess.
13,000 was a relatively low production number for 94's, and think about how many have survived the last 88 years.
To give you a better idea, from 1894 to 1963, they produced 2,600,500!
Ist year of 1894 only 1,674 were made.
Lowest number made between 1894 and 1963 was 0 in 1943.
The previous year of 1942, 29,882 were made, 1944 only 13 were made.
1948 saw the highest number produced of 147, 934!
So yeah......IMHO, 1 of 13,000 made 88 years ago is rare enough, especially a SRC!.

[thedonger]

Model 1894 - 452522 - 32WS

[TRAP55]

Originally Posted by thedonger

Model 1894 - 452522 - 32WS

1909, 19,345 made that year, PR records yours.
1909 was a year of low production, the previous 5 years were all 40-50,000, and later 6 years from 30-102,000.

[thedonger]

Originally Posted by TRAP55

1909, 19,345 made that year, PR records yours.
1909 was a year of low production, the previous 5 years were all 40-50,000, and later 6 years from 30-102,000.

One database I found reported 1908, don't remember what it was based on.

[TRAP55]

Originally Posted by thedonger

One database I found reported 1908, don't remember what it was based on.

Like I said in the start, all the info that has been available, was based on the Madis information. It's been know for years that his info was incorrect, but until now, no one has done anything to correct it.
Even now, The Blue Book still refuses to correct their data. For all the problems Madis caused by knowingly listing false information, Winchester collectors of the world owe him a debt of gratitude. He was the guy that salvaged all the records from a dumpster, where Winchester had tossed them!

[freonr22]

Such a valuable resource!

[GMG]

Tagged!

[capricedanny]

Model 94, serial # 1932XXX...30-30..thanks!

[bruceflinch]

Tagged for later! Wow, didn't realize how old this thread was. Thanks for the Necropost, Freon! And Thank You Trap55!!

[TRAP55]

Originally Posted by capricedanny

Model 94, serial # 1932XXX...30-30..thanks!

1952, with 85,000 made that year.

[brownfeathermedic]

I found a wall hanger at a Pawn shop that just came in and hasn't been priced yet. It was a 1886 Winchester Deluxe model 45-90. The gun showed poor storage but could be cleaned up. the action was SWEET!!!!!! What are these going for these days?
This Ol Boy would love to have her.

[aghauler]

tagged.

I'll have to dig out the '97 in a couple of days.

[bruceflinch]

Alrighty then! One my Dad gave me. He bought it used & took many a rabbit with it.
62A s/n 259614X, yes there really is an X in the s/n..

.22 short, long or long rifle, tube fed slide action. Real fun to shoot! I think it sold for about $17 new in the 50's.

Thanks in advance Trap55!

[TRAP55]

Bruce, I'll have to ask Bert about your serial number to be sure, but I "think" some of those may have been parts clean up.
Right now I have early 1949, with 20,860 made that year.

[TRAP55]

Originally Posted by brownfeathermedic

I found a wall hanger at a Pawn shop that just came in and hasn't been priced yet. It was a 1886 Winchester Deluxe model 45-90. The gun showed poor storage but could be cleaned up. the action was SWEET!!!!!! What are these going for these days?
This Ol Boy would love to have her.

See if they'll let you take pics, condition and features on a deluxe can swing price a big chunk either way. 45/90 is a plus, majority were special order too.
If you're serious about buying it, get me the serial, and I may be able to find out what it was shipped with for factory options. That way you can bargain the price down if something has been changed.

[freonr22]

hey Trapp55,
I wasnt trying to make more work for you, the service and responses you gave in my opinion are priceless to the community at large. I want to express a sincere thank you.

[TRAP55]

freonr22, if I didn't enjoy it, I wouldn't have made the offer.
It's surprising sometimes what the actual date is, as opposed to what the owner thought, or was told it was.
Bert comes down from WA for every spring and fall for the Big Reno Show. If you go, bring your Winchester for Bert to look at. I can only give you the DOM, he can usually tell you that, the month made, and probably a few more things even the Winchester factory has forgotten. He'll give you a honest appraisal too.
If you are shopping for something specific, be it rifle or parts, he already knows who has it, where in the show to find it, and most times haggle the price for you too.

[bruceflinch]

Originally Posted by TRAP55

Bruce, I'll have to ask Bert about your serial number to be sure, but I "think" some of those may have been parts clean up.
Right now I have early 1949, with 20,860 made that year.

Parts clean up? Like extras lying around?

The S/N is stamped on the bottom of the reciever where the barrel mates & on the bottom of the trigger guard.

Thanks!

[JTecalo]

Trap55,
checking Win 1897 12 ga. ser # 483362 online indicates might be 1911 vintage.

thanks,
Jim

[TRAP55]

Originally Posted by JTecalo

Trap55,
checking Win 1897 12 ga. ser # 483362 online indicates might be 1911 vintage.

thanks,
Jim

Jim, early 1910 with 39,832 made that year.

[TRAP55]

Parts clean up? Like extras lying around?

Bruce, exactly that. Some models at the end of production where assembled from bins full of parts. Some early production of an newer model would have a mix of old and new parts.
Not real sure on the 62A, but I'll be talking to Bert soon, and I'll see what he says about yours.

[JTecalo]

Originally Posted by TRAP55

Jim, early 1910 with 39,832 made that year.

Thanks Trap55, older than I am by 40 years, how about that!

[TRAP55]

See! There is something to be said about pre '64 models like us!

[JTecalo]

Originally Posted by TRAP55

See! There is something to be said about pre '64 models like us!

Sometimes more like pre '34, other times 64 sounds about right!!

Enjoy the holidays!

[bruceflinch]

Originally Posted by JTecalo

Thanks Trap55, older than I am by 40 years, how about that!

You & your Winchester are a pair of C&R's, J!

[JTecalo]

Originally Posted by bruceflinch

You & your Winchester are a pair of C&R's, J!

C&R= crotchety and reeking?

[TRAP55]

Wife says creaky and a relic.

[aghauler]

Originally Posted by TRAP55

I have the newly updated dates of manufacture, and production numbers for Winchesters. Larry Shennum and Bert Hartman just compiled these dates from the Winchester Polishing Room records, and miles of microfilm converted to jpg. files.
The dates in the Blue Book, and any you find online, are based on the Madis data, and are severely flawed. Your "Antique" may be a C&R, or visa versa!
Post the model and serial number, use X's if you're worried about that stuff, but give me at least the first 3 digits, and I'll give you the DOM, and production numbers if I have them. A few models were not serial numbered, and a few there are no serial number records, but both have production numbers and the years produced.
Models list:
Henry Rifle, 1886, 1873, 1876, Hotchkiss Rifle, 1885, 1886, 1887, 1890, 1892, 1893, 1894, 1895, 1897, 1900, 1901, 1902, 99 Thumb Trigger, 1903, 1904, 1905, 1906, 1907, 1910, 1911, 12, 20, 21, 24, 25, 36, 37, 40, 41, 42, 43, 47, 50, 52, 53, 54, 55 Lever, 55 .22, 56, 58, 59 .22, 59 shotgun, 60, 60A, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 67, 677, 68, 69, 697. 70, 71, 72, 74, 75, 77, 88, 100, 190, 250, 270, 290

TRAP55
Here is the info on my Model 97 Take Down, FULL choke, serial number looks like E over 80604B (?). We've had this thing in the family since around 1948 after it was found in an attic up in Weott. Last time is was shot was 1957. Safe to shoot with modern ammo? Been thinking about making it into a riot or trenchgun configuration.
Thanks,

Bob B.

[TRAP55]

Weott? Man, that brings back some old memories, none of which I could post here.
80604 would be 1899, if that "B" is an "8", it would be 1925.
I'm an advocate of "it's your gun, you can do what you want to it" (with a few exceptions), But chopping up old Winchesters, does make me cringe. If you just want a room broom HD 12ga, for the love of Winchesters, trade it to me for a ported 20"bbl 870 Express!
What gauge is is it?
Does the bbl have a chamber marking?
Does it say nickle steel or fluid steel?

[TRAP55]

Originally Posted by bruceflinch

Alrighty then! One my Dad gave me. He bought it used & took many a rabbit with it.
62A s/n 259614X, yes there really is an X in the s/n..

.22 short, long or long rifle, tube fed slide action. Real fun to shoot! I think it sold for about $17 new in the 50's.

Thanks in advance Trap55!

Bruce, the X is part of the serial. The 62 "A" came out in 1940 with a breech bolt change from the 62. The 62 was a updated version of the earlier 1890 and 1906. That's where the parts bin carry over occurred.
Your pump slide should be longer than the 62 and have more grooves. 8" long and 17 grooves.

[aghauler]

Originally Posted by TRAP55

Weott? Man, that brings back some old memories, none of which I could post here.
80604 would be 1899, if that "B" is an "8", it would be 1925.
I'm an advocate of "it's your gun, you can do what you want to it" (with a few exceptions), But chopping up old Winchesters, does make me cringe. If you just want a room broom HD 12ga, for the love of Winchesters, trade it to me for a ported 20"bbl 870 Express!
What gauge is is it?
Does the bbl have a chamber marking?
Does it say nickle steel or fluid steel?

Ok, So I was working off a file photo of the '97. Now that I've actually dug it out the Serial number is 806043. The barrel markings only show Model 97-Winchester - 12 G.A. FULL. The other side has the patent dates last one of July 5 1910. The buttstock was shortened probably back in the 1940's and I remember it having a dark brown slip on recoil pad which rotted off years ago. Odd thing is it has a Remington buttplate on it! Seems like a pretty soild shotgun, blued part of the finish has turned plum. My folks owned the Auto Court at the south end of Weott back in the late 1940's before moving to Lancaster. That Auto Court was wiped out in the floods of the early 1950's. You're in Dixon? I was just in Woodland the past few days and at Mary's Pizza Shack in Dixon, one of our favorite places to go when we're down that way. I worked for a Dixon trucking company back in the 1990's

[John Browning]

How about an 1873 serial number 129306? Thanks.

[TRAP55]

scobun, made 1883, 37746 made that year.

[emcon5]

Old and not so old:

1897: 411xxx

Mod94: 3590xxx

[TRAP55]

1897: 411xxx
Early 1908, 39667 made that year.

Mod94: 3590xxx
3,000,000 was assembled in 1970, the data I have for the 1894 is all Pre-64

[TheExpertish]

Thanks Dave for clearing up the fact that my 1897 was actually 2 years older than I though. Proud owner of a 1915 Winchester 1897. We need to keep this thread as a sticky or something.

[Yemff]

1873 serial 41688

[TRAP55]

Originally Posted by Yemff

1873 serial 41688

163rd rifle made in 1880, safe bet to say, in Jan of 1880, with 23475 made that year.

[VooDooV]

I love these threads, And thanks Trap for your efforts its nice to see what others have and some of the histories.

I myself have
1873 44WCF octagnal S/N 20217B action and sadly the stock has another S/N G 347214