Lets see your .223 California Legal Self Loading Rifle!

[phobos512]

People on this forum run out of ammo? I've never heard of such a thing

What range was that (distance, not where you were shooting)?

[asintado]

Originally Posted by iridesportbikes

My Kali self-Loaders

What kind of fore grip is that on your SU-16?

[Jon]

You mean Kel-Tec's compact forend conversion kit?

http://www.kel-tec.com/su16_accessories.html

[kick Z tail out]

Originally Posted by Morelli

model 1 sales XM177 style CAR kit
yhm free float rail
bsm red dot
laser
forend grip
(tactical light on the way)

You bastard! You copied me to the letter with that upper.

[Santa Cruz Armory]

That was at 50 yds on the first day sighting it in with open sights. I ran out of ammo because I am waiting for my shipment of ammo from an internet order, It kills me to pay $7.50 a box (20) at my local GS.

The second day I just ponied up the $23 (3 boxes) and sighted it in with the scope. I still had fun either way. It was raining the second day and friggin' freezing so the longer range stuff is gonna happen later. But for me, it's all about having fun.

Originally Posted by phobos512

People on this forum run out of ammo? I've never heard of such a thing

What range was that (distance, not where you were shooting)?

[jmlivingston]

Not quite to the letter, but that XM-177 from Model 1 is what I'm thinking about as well! I really like that long flash suppressor with the holes, looks quite Tacticool.

Questions though...

1. How's the fit & finish from Model1?
2. You have a fixed stock, will the collapsable stock not meet the 30" length requirement?
2. Have you fired it yet, and with that short barrel is it moderately accurate out to 100, 200, and 300 yards?
3. What was their turn-around time to ship you the kit?

Thanks!
John

[Santa Cruz Armory]

I had a great experience with Model 1 Sales. There ship time was about a week maybe less? good deal and the gun shoots great. (although is not the XM-177 your looking at) mine is a A3 with a couple extra goodies. The finish is nice also.

I am looking at the XM-177 as well due to its "tacticoolness" for my second build.

pic:

[kick Z tail out]

I guess I better hurry up and get my order in since now everyone is jumping on the Model 1 XM177 bandwagon


Hmmm... come to think of it, that would be a pretty fun bandwagon though. We could all ride around and shoot from the wagon, wouldn't that be pretty neat?

[kick Z tail out]

Okay, since you guys backed me into a corner, I just ordered my kit.


Guys that have ordered before, about how long did it take to receive your order from Model 1?

[superhondaz50]

Who wants to give me $500 bucks so I can order one!

[kick Z tail out]

Originally Posted by Morelli

Whoo...I think it took almost 3 weeks for mine to come in if I remember correctly.

DOH! I want it NOW!!!!


Oh well, at least I finally gave the proverbial ball a push.

[kick Z tail out]

Nice. I love the laser... Do you have it dialed in? Who makes it? What did it set you back?

Like the M1A too. My Dad recently bought a SOCOM 16. I got him to slap on an Aimpoint Comp C and a Harris bipod.

[Jon]

LMT 16" Upper
Troy MRF-C
ARMS #40L-SP
Magpul MIAD grip and trigger guard
VLTOR stock
Fulton Lower
RRA lower parts
Pinned Bushy 10 rounder

[sintax]

Stag lower
Stag LPK
CMMG 14.5" M4 profile w/ M4 feedramps (extended)
ARMS #40L sp
Generic 6pos stock
Bushmaster 10rd

[Victor]

Primer is your mag fixed or is that a registered aw?

[Jicko]

What lower reciever and what "fix-mag-kit" did you use?

Originally Posted by primer510

Del-Ton Flat-top upper
DPMS HBAR 1:9
ACE ARFX
ERGO GRIP
YHM FlipUp
...pretty basic...dissipator being built as we speak!

[TonyM]

Originally Posted by JickoRicko

What lower reciever and what "fix-mag-kit" did you use?

Appears to be the same Magazine that was in my fixed mag Vulcan lowers by the looks of it. But my Vulcans don't have Safe/Fire markings on the right side of the lower.....

[Jicko]

Originally Posted by Victor

Primer is your mag fixed or is that a registered aw?

Good question.... (seems to me that the magazine is not fixed.... hence, even with the fixed-stock, without the flash-hider.... there is *still* 1 "evil" feature too much on that rifle...)

Or.... maybe primer doesn't live in CA(PRK)!!!!

[GTKrockeTT]

Originally Posted by JickoRicko

Good question.... (seems to me that the magazine is not fixed.... hence, even with the fixed-stock, without the flash-hider.... there is *still* 1 "evil" feature too much on that rifle...)

Or.... maybe primer doesn't live in CA(PRK)!!!!

or, maybe the pistol grip is just a photoshop.

[Red Flag]

Well I finally got all the parts together...







The parts list...
Stag Lower and Upper
Cav Arms stock
Badger Charging handle extender
Magpul MADI, rail protectors and trigger guard
Bushy 10 Rounder w/ cal kit
MI P/Rail system
Tango Down Battle grip
Vltor Surefire E2E mount w/ Surefire E2E

All painted up with Norrells Molly resin.
I just got to get my Eotech,muzzle brake and a OD green stock and then she will be all set.

Chris

[Senna]

primer510 does that refer to an unpainted datsun?
anyway what type of buttstock is that and is it longer than 4 or 6 position buttstock

[visualnewbie]

Keep up with the pictures... I love looking at everyone's creations/masterpiece. Bad thing about looking at everyones is that I'm getting ideas on my next build. Shame on all of you.

[Boarding-Team-Leader]

[Jicko]

Originally Posted by Senna

primer510 does that refer to an unpainted datsun?
anyway what type of buttstock is that and is it longer than 4 or 6 position buttstock

ACE FX fixed stock.

[GTKrockeTT]

Originally Posted by primer510

you guys gotta chill...i live at my own discretion. i usually travel with the mag locked and then decide when i arrive, what i want to do. when you have to break the upper from the lower on an AR to load it, man, thats like kissing your sister....

Lauer (LCW) lower
Armalite 10rd mag

it's one thing for you to manufacture an AW in privacy, it's another to blatantly post pictures of it on a public forum that the DOJ routinely frequents. talk about incriminating yourself...guess who gets the bonehead of the year award.

what's worse is that everyone that purchases these off-list lowers represents the whole of us in some way or another. you creating an assault weapon looks poorly on all of us. and, yes...you now are a felon. i think i'd rather kiss my sister.

edit: removing pic

[Senna]

Here it is my first build one small foopa (the missing detent)
High Standard lower

RRA complete rifle kit
forged A4 upper
16" R4 willson chome lined barell
A2 flash hider/muzle break
NM 2 stage trigger
BM 20 rnd mag blocked to 10 rnd

[primer510]

i publicly accept bone head of the year award. it was a mistake, period.

[TacFan]

Originally Posted by primer510

i publicly accept bone head of the year award. it was a mistake, period.

you should have just told everyone it was registered.

It's kind of late for than now. I suggest you repost pics with the mag fixed.

[primer510]

good, eh?

Hey Primer510, since that rifle doesn't have a flash hider or telescopic/folding stock you should make a grip substitute so you can also run a detachable mag version.

Both of my off-list rifles have threaded barrels so I can replace the hider with a brake and pull off the pistol grip when I want to shoot them in a match.

Yeah, it blows to have to go gripless, but it's not as bad as it seems.

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by primer510

you guys gotta chill...i live at my own discretion. i usually travel with the mag locked and then decide when i arrive, what i want to do. when you have to break the upper from the lower on an AR to load it, man, thats like kissing your sister....

Lauer (LCW) lower
Armalite 10rd mag

You're way to arrogant my friend... As Tony said breaking the law in a public forum is at the very least a lack of common sense!!!

[primer510]

guys, thank you for beating me down. if im not here next week (like incarcerated), i think you might know why enough is enought tho. thanks.

[hiyabrad]

Originally Posted by primer510

guys, thank you for beating me down. if im not here next week (like incarcerated), i think you might know why enough is enought tho. thanks.

I totally agree with you, honestly, what personal info did you give this message board that the Feds are going to track you down with? Oh, your email? First they have to get a court order, then give it to Calguns, and then Calguns would have to comply to giving up that info (chances are that would end up in a court battle if Calguns has any balls, which they probably do), which if anyone who has registed will remember is nothing except for an email. Then, say they do get the court order because so and so does not have a fixed mag or something like that (like they are going to waste their time on that one) and Calguns does not put up a fight and just hands over the email address. THEN they have to go and get another court order for your ISP, who does have your real personal info (unless your a hotmail account or something like, where you did not have to give real info). And then your ISP will have to cough up the info (has anyone read today's LA Times about Google and the US GVT)?

Who can tell us the last time (or first time) they heard a story about one guy getting tracked down, court order after court order due to a firearm?

You always need to be careful in life, but please, some people are way to paranoid here. On the other hand, no reason to wave your come and get me flag.

Just one person's humble opinion.

[Jeff Rambo]

hiyabrad,

Actually to answer your last question... recently if I recall correctly. Some kid on MySpace was posing with various firearms and his local police department was issued a warrant for his residence.

Furthermore it would not be the e-mail address, but rather the IP address of the poster which we log on every post.

[primer510]

well, im sure that some people do have those horror stories and really, im not sure i want to hear them. im on edge now because of all this attention. time to move on?

[Jicko]

I guess... some of us just want to point out what is OK, and what is NOT OK....

Bill and a couple of other good guys put in a LOT of effort in posting the detailed FAQ, and listing out what is OK and what is NOT.... it would suck if some newbie look at this cool "show me your rifles" thread... and build JUST in that very same configuration... and bring that to some public range.... sure that is plain stupid... yet...

[tpliquid1]

[primer510]

nice to see things are back on track and ricko, thanks for what could be the 100th lecture so far.... i understand what you are saying. no more silliness from me.

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by hiyabrad

I totally agree with you, honestly, what personal info did you give this message board that the Feds are going to track you down with? Oh, your email? First they have to get a court order, then give it to Calguns, and then Calguns would have to comply to giving up that info (chances are that would end up in a court battle if Calguns has any balls, which they probably do), which if anyone who has registed will remember is nothing except for an email. Then, say they do get the court order because so and so does not have a fixed mag or something like that (like they are going to waste their time on that one) and Calguns does not put up a fight and just hands over the email address. THEN they have to go and get another court order for your ISP, who does have your real personal info (unless your a hotmail account or something like, where you did not have to give real info). And then your ISP will have to cough up the info (has anyone read today's LA Times about Google and the US GVT)?

Who can tell us the last time (or first time) they heard a story about one guy getting tracked down, court order after court order due to a firearm?

You always need to be careful in life, but please, some people are way to paranoid here. On the other hand, no reason to wave your come and get me flag.

Just one person's humble opinion.

***Cough*** Patriot Act***Cough*** They don't need court orders any more my friend...

I think I'm one of those paranoid type of guys but don't you belive that just because this is the internet you are protected by anonymity. If you have the time to read the 73 pages of this thread: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=399203 You can learn how regular folks can track someone over the Internet. That thread gives you a very good idea how the Internet anonymity is a thing of the past! YMMV

[Uberdummy]

High Standard Lower
Del-Ton M4 Upper
6-pos Stock
RRA 2-Stage Trigger
Lowes fixed mag.
A.R.M.S. #40A2

I love this thing.