New .360 Buckhammer cartridge

[plumbum]

Looks like Remington is getting into the straightwall cartridge game by stuffing .358 projectiles into .30-30 brass. Henry already has it chambered but not many ammo choices yet - a little more oomph than the .350 Legend.

https://www.remington.com/360buckhammer.html

[DrewN]

180s at 2400 / 200s at 2200 ain't too shabby. Inside 150 yards this looks like it'll kill most things you'd want it to.

[19K]

Originally Posted by DrewN

180s at 2400 / 200s at 2200 ain't too shabby. Inside 150 yards this looks like it'll kill most things you'd want it to.

A modern 30-40 krag lol

[DrewN]

Originally Posted by 19K

A modern 30-40 krag lol

.35 Remington.

[tuna quesadilla]

What does this do that the straightwalled .375 Winchester doesn’t? 200gr @ 2200fps is exactly the purview of .375 Winchester. I guess maybe just that it’s an older cartridge now and you don’t really see rifles chambered for it? Got to come up with a new wildcat that does exactly the same thing as an existing cartridge so you can sell more guns?

[jwb28]

It's for states with straight wall restrictions. Yea it duplicates a bunch of other cartridge ballistics, so what. If rifles were chambered only in rounds we need, nothing newer than 1950 would exist and most of the ones before then would be gone also.
Don't like AR's or want a lever action. this will do everything the 350 legend will do and more.
35 rem brass is hard to get, but the 360 BH can be made with 30-30, so if it flops at least brass will be available.
Yea it's not "needed", so what. I may get one when ever thay are available.

[Fjold]

The 350 Legend will fit into an AR15 rifle, this new cartridge won't.

[jwb28]

I guess henry could have chambered their rifles for the legend, but a lever action "needs" a rim. Tradition and all that. Not everyone wants to hunt with an AR type rifle. Why they used a 9mm dia for the legend I cant figure. way more choice in .358.
In the end buy what you want. Needs got nothing to do with it.
Kind of glad Henry helped bring out a cartridge. To bad they didn't call it the 360 Henry.

[sigstroker]

Originally Posted by jwb28

It's for states with straight wall restrictions. Yea it duplicates a bunch of other cartridge ballistics, so what. If rifles were chambered only in rounds we need, nothing newer than 1950 would exist and most of the ones before then would be gone also.
Don't like AR's or want a lever action. this will do everything the 350 legend will do and more.
35 rem brass is hard to get, but the 360 BH can be made with 30-30, so if it flops at least brass will be available.
Yea it's not "needed", so what. I may get one when ever thay are available.

Eventually local laws will catch up. Those laws aren't in place because they hate the shape of a bottleneck, it's because they want to limit the energy and reach.

[plumbum]

The .350 wouldn't do well in a tubular magazine due to the lack of a crimp and pointy bullets. This rimmed cartridge can take a healthy crimp and is within the regulations for the "straight-wall only" states.

[bigbossman]

Originally Posted by DrewN

.35 Remington.

Or 38-55.

[justMike]

I've read where in the 'Good Ol' Bad Days' of the Great Depression, it was not uncommon for a shot out 30-30 rifle barrel to be rebored - rifled to 35 caliber.
Known as the .35-30. Was a lot cheaper than replacing the barrel with a new one. Not much new under the Sun, eh?

[RNE228]

Not all levers are tubular. Browning BLR, Henry Long Ranger, and in past Savage 99 or Win 88 are just a few box or rotary magazine levers...

Originally Posted by plumbum

The .350 wouldn't do well in a tubular magazine due to the lack of a crimp and pointy bullets. This rimmed cartridge can take a healthy crimp and is within the regulations for the "straight-wall only" states.

[Sandspider500]

I think this has been done before, but I'll take one.

[Bladewurk]

interesting, I have a Savage 99 in .358 Winchester that’s similar ballistics but not straightwalled obviously.

I think I’m gonna sell it.

[Sandspider500]

Probably stuff it full of 1680 and let er rip.

[Cowboy T]

I'll just stick with the .357 Magnum or .44 Magnum leverguns for deer and hogs, respectively, and call it a day.

[Imageview]

The single shot guys in straight wall states are excited about it, nice to have a rim. Can stretch out a bit longer than 357 max, but in states where you would need a straight wall there isn’t much need for that stretch. I prefer the ergonomics of a lever or single to an ar, so if I lived in a place with straight wall restrictions but where 45-70 or 444 was prohibited due to length and I didn’t own a couple 357 max rifles it would be pretty compelling.

[ar15barrels]

Originally Posted by DrewN

180s at 2400 / 200s at 2200 ain't too shabby. Inside 150 yards this looks like it'll kill most things you'd want it to.

https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/r...erevolution#!/
I'm pretty sure that load has been around for 10+ years now.
With a 200yd zero, it's 3" high at 100yds.
It really falls apart past 200 though.

[DrewN]

Originally Posted by ar15barrels

https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/r...erevolution#!/
I'm pretty sure that load has been around for 10+ years now.
With a 200yd zero, it's 3" high at 100yds.
It really falls apart past 200 though.

What, you don't hunt with a forward observer?

[jwb28]

Originally Posted by DrewN

What, you don't hunt with a forward observer?

The base plate ruins the ergonomics.

[LightfootE]

375 Winchester already exists. They should have just revived that. I’ve got a Marlin 375 and it’s a cool cartridge. But I guess Remington wouldn’t be interested in re marketing a Winchester product so there’s that.

[hermosabeach]

I'll add this next to all the WSSM rounds

Created by a marketing department

Not created to fill an gap in the market

Hunting gap

Target shooting niche

Self defense need


I like the .458 socom but it's a reload caliber

[Sandspider500]

360 buckhammer=41.1gr? Whomp whomp
30-30=44gr
32-40=41gr
38-55=52gr

[plumbum]

Here is the Michigan definition of a straight wall cartridge:

A .35 caliber or larger rifle loaded with straight-walled cartridges with a min. case length of 1.16 inches and a maximum case length of 1.80 inches.

and for Illinois:

For handguns, a bottleneck centerfire cartridge of .30 caliber or larger with a case length not exceeding 1.4 inches, or a straight-walled centerfire cartridge of .30 caliber or larger, both of which must be available as a factory load with the published ballistic tables of the manufacturer showing a capability of at least 500 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle. Note:There is no case length limit for straight-walled cartridges.

Companies are playing the legal game to reach out to hunters within these legal parameters.

[ar15barrels]

Water capacity should be measured with a fireformed case so it will be more than shown in the video after the case actually fills the chamber.

Originally Posted by Sandspider500

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360 buckhammer=41.1gr? Whomp whomp
30-30=44gr
32-40=41gr
38-55=52gr

[Sandspider500]

Ahhh I see, derp. Perfect time to revive the 401wsl.

[Sandspider500]

Well, someone was reading my thoughts, where's the RIM????

https://saami.org/tag/400-legend/

[ar15barrels]

Originally Posted by Sandspider500

Well, someone was reading my thoughts, where's the RIM????

https://saami.org/tag/400-legend/

That really is close to a 401wsl.
Rimless makes more sense of course since they feed from box magazines better than rimmed cartridges.
I'll have to get one of these to go with my 350 legend so I will own both of them in case they don't stay popular.