SOB accused of killing 4 U of I folks in Moscow caught...

[-hanko]

...in Pennsylvania.

Swat team caught the guy with charges from Idaho.

He's going straight to hell as capital punishment still exists here.

Details on TV and radio already at 1300 Idaho time today. It's going to be the lead story on radio and TV news tonight, and for quite a while.

[bigbossman]

Ph.D. in Criminology candidate. Cripes.

[kingransom]

Perhaps you missed the part where they said they arrested a "suspect". If he truly did commit the murders he should burn, but not only your thread title but your post as well have already condemned somebody without ever seeing any of the evidence or going to trial. Please never serve on a jury

[Dan_Eastvale]

Originally Posted by kingransom

Perhaps you missed the part where they said they arrested a "suspect". If he truly did commit the murders he should burn, but not only your thread title but your post as well have already condemned somebody without ever seeing any of the evidence or going to trial. Please never serve on a jury

You can often tell someone’s bad news just by their looks and behavior

[kingransom]

Behavior yes, looks no. As somebody who walks the beach with a 145 lb jet black Cane Corso everyday, I can't tell you how many times I've had people call the police just because my dog looks a certain way. They don't know that he's a licensed service dog with his canine good citizenship certification, they've never seen another dog attack him and he walks away from it without even batting an eye, but they perceive him in a certain way because of the way he looks. Now if he exhibited certain types of behavior then it would be justifiable to draw conclusion, but you can't prejudge something based off of the way you perceive that it looks. Just my thoughts

[covingtonhouse]

Just reading the news about it. Indeed the SUSPECT is in PA, awaiting his extradition hearing to answer for four counts of capital muder, and burglary. Here's hoping the prosecutors cross their t's and dot their i's in this case. Also, Latah County is a blue county in Idaho, so the suspect will probably push to keep the trial in Latah if he's smart. Either way, if he did it, I doubt many bleeding heart types on the jury will be willing to overlook the evil in the crimes committed.

[-hanko]

Originally Posted by kingransom

Perhaps you missed the part where they said they arrested a "suspect". If he truly did commit the murders he should burn, but not only your thread title but your post as well have already condemned somebody without ever seeing any of the evidence or going to trial. Please never serve on a jury

I served in San Mateo County criminal court.

Gang banger defendant was charged with murder as he missed another gansta and the bullet went through a fence gate. A 5 year old kid was behind the fence. He died instantly.

We chatted for around an hour and the found him guilty unanimously...it only took one vote

Defendant was give 25 to life, and that was before California's easy-off process.

[-hanko]

Originally Posted by kingransom

Perhaps you missed the part where they said they arrested a "suspect". If he truly did commit the murders he should burn, but not only your thread title but your post as well have already condemned somebody without ever seeing any of the evidence or going to trial. Please never serve on a jury

You may have missed the part about the FBI getting the "suspect's" DNA all over the place. Read a few of his 4Channel comments and you'll want to skip dinner.

[-hanko]

Originally Posted by kingransom

Behavior yes, looks no. As somebody who walks the beach with a 145 lb jet black Cane Corso everyday, I can't tell you how many times I've had people call the police just because my dog looks a certain way. They don't know that he's a licensed service dog with his canine good citizenship certification, they've never seen another dog attack him and he walks away from it without even batting an eye, but they perceive him in a certain way because of the way he looks. Now if he exhibited certain types of behavior then it would be justifiable to draw conclusion, but you can't prejudge something based off of the way you perceive that it looks. Just my thoughts

I'd say no such thing as inherently bad dogs...only bad owners.

Check my sig line about dog owners.

[sghart]

Let's not get in such a hurry. I say we give him a fair trial before we hang him.

[Spanky8601]

I would imagine cutting up 4 individuals would have the possibility of being cut yourself. So there most likely is a lot of DNA left at the crime scene. Just my opinion.

[kingransom]

Originally Posted by -hanko

You may have missed the part about the FBI getting the "suspect's" DNA all over the place. Read a few of his 4Channel comments and you'll want to skip dinner.

I understand that there was evidence and probable cause to arrest him, but you people are already pumping electricity through his body. Virtually none of the evidence that they have has been released yet. They don't even have a murder weapon. So to make a snap judgment and say that this guy is absolutely the killer is asinine. We don't know if there were other people involved, and We don't know under what circumstances his DNA might have been at the scene.

[Dan_Eastvale]

Originally Posted by sghart

Let's not get in such a hurry. I say we give him a fair trial before we hang him.

Courts fail
OJ was GUILTY

Inadmissible evidence? Phooey

[M1NM]

I always love that COPS show disclaimer - all suspects are considered innocent..... They need to finish the sentence - until we play this tape in court.

[M1NM]

Originally Posted by Dan_Eastvale

Courts fail
OJ was GUILTY

Inadmissible evidence? Phooey

Reasonable doubt can be created if you spend enough on attorneys. DNA was new and confusing. The DA over detailed the evidence and turned off the jury. Lots of reasons OJ is out walking around. I don't think he would be if tried today.

[Dan_Eastvale]

Glad they got that SOB!

[BAJ475]

Originally Posted by M1NM

Reasonable doubt can be created if you spend enough on attorneys. DNA was new and confusing. The DA over detailed the evidence and turned off the jury. Lots of reasons OJ is out walking around. I don't think he would be if tried today.

DNA was not the cause of the glove not fitting or Mark Fuhrman lying on the stand.

[BAJ475]

Originally Posted by Dan_Eastvale

Courts fail
OJ was GUILTY

Inadmissible evidence? Phooey

How did the court fail? It was the jury that acquitted OJ.

[BAJ475]

Originally Posted by Dan_Eastvale

Glad they got that SOB!

How do you know that they got the right person? None of the evidence as been made public and will not be made public until the accused is arraigned in an Idaho court.

[-hanko]

S...is good to go. On the news earlier this morning.

[Rotnguns]

I've read that the suspect was identified as the owner of the white elantra that drove away from the scene, and that DNA on the elantra was a match for DNA at the crime scene. That little house was party central, so this by itself doesn't mean much. Hopefully there's much more evidence that hasn't been released yet.

[-hanko]

...apparently not enough caffein this morning.

[Flyron]

He has done criminal studies and surveys on murders and how those who committed them felt. Heard he was currently pursuing a Phd in Criminology at Washington State?

[M1NM]

Originally Posted by BAJ475

DNA was not the cause of the glove not fitting or Mark Fuhrman lying on the stand.

The glove didn't fit because OJs attorney insisted OJ wear a latex glove so his DNA was not transferred to the glove. If you look at the pictures you'll see that glove was too small and didn't allow the glove to fit down all the way making it appear too small.

Furman did not lie about the OJ case. He didn't admit on the stand that he had used racial slurs in the past. OJs lawyers were able to leverage that into him being after OJ due to his race and lose his credibility for not admitting he had called the Amish Amish.

Both these show that the high priced attorney was able to create reasonable doubt that paid off for OJ.

During the trial, claims were made that Fuhrman frequently used a racist epithet toward African Americans during the 1980s, which Fuhrman denied. In response, Simpson's defense team produced recorded interviews with Fuhrman and witnesses showing that he had repeatedly used racist language during this period. As a result, the defense claimed that Fuhrman had committed perjury and was not a credible witness.

[covingtonhouse]

Originally Posted by M1NM

The glove didn't fit because OJs attorney insisted OJ wear a latex glove so his DNA was not transferred to the glove. If you look at the pictures you'll see that glove was too small and didn't allow the glove to fit down all the way making it appear too small.

Furman did not lie about the OJ case. He didn't admit on the stand that he had used racial slurs in the past. OJs lawyers were able to leverage that into him being after OJ due to his race and lose his credibility for not admitting he had called the Amish Amish.

Both these show that the high priced attorney was able to create reasonable doubt that paid off for OJ.

During the trial, claims were made that Fuhrman frequently used a racist epithet toward African Americans during the 1980s, which Fuhrman denied. In response, Simpson's defense team produced recorded interviews with Fuhrman and witnesses showing that he had repeatedly used racist language during this period. As a result, the defense claimed that Fuhrman had committed perjury and was not a credible witness.

Well I have Mark Fuhrman to thank for highlighting the North idaho area way back in the mid 90's. I never thought at the time i would be living here, but his involvement in a high-profile trial and subsequent look into his background, brought Sandpoint and surrounds into the public view. Aside from that, the guy was a typical smug-azz cop. I don't know if he was as scummy as the OJ attorneys claimed, but he was obviously a throwback to a time when cops were regularly railroading suspects and "helping" cases to get convictions.

[-hanko]

Originally Posted by kingransom

I understand that there was evidence and probable cause to arrest him, but you people are already pumping electricity through his body. Virtually none of the evidence that they have has been released yet. They don't even have a murder weapon. So to make a snap judgment and say that this guy is absolutely the killer is asinine. We don't know if there were other people involved, and We don't know under what circumstances his DNA might have been at the scene.

I'd suspect it wouldn't be a miracle that the murder weapon got lost somewhere Idaho and Pennsylvania.

[covingtonhouse]

Originally Posted by -hanko

I'd suspect it wouldn't be a miracle that the murder weapon got lost somewhere Idaho and Pennsylvania.

You're more than likely exactly right about the murder weapon, but I think the gist of his comment was about due process, or, in the Calguns common vernacular, "I think I'll wait for more info before I pass judgement". Not too far of a stretch to ask that is it? If indeed this mutt is the actual killer, then by all means, fry his azz. Or whatever means Idaho takes to complete the death sentence here. But until then, give him a fair trial by a jury of his peers here in free America. I think he'll find Idahoans a little less forgiving than the folks in WA where he went to school.

[kingransom]

Hanko
You stated earlier in a post that you served in the San Mateo county courts. Which quite honestly makes the rest of your posts completely pathetic.

There's not one person who's posted on this thread that doesn't want this to be the killer, hopes he acted alone so that there's not others out there involved in this, and hopes that the courts can convict him properly and Fry his ***. I think that's something that we can all agree upon. I don't know what capacity you served in the courts, but you've already imposed a death sentence upon this person and they've yet to be brought to trial, and little to no evidence has been presented yet. You seriously need to check yourself. You act as if this is a Salem witch hunt, accuse and burn! Why don't you sit back and chill for a while and let this thing unfold properly before you 100% condemn a human being for a situation which you have absolutely ZERO first-hand knowledge

[BAJ475]

Originally Posted by kingransom

Hanko
You stated earlier in a post that you served in the San Mateo county courts. Which quite honestly makes the rest of your posts completely pathetic.

There's not one person who's posted on this thread that doesn't want this to be the killer, hopes he acted alone so that there's not others out there involved in this, and hopes that the courts can convict him properly and Fry his ***. I think that's something that we can all agree upon. I don't know what capacity you served in the courts, but you've already imposed a death sentence upon this person and they've yet to be brought to trial, and little to no evidence has been presented yet. You seriously need to check yourself. You act as if this is a Salem witch hunt, accuse and burn! Why don't you sit back and chill for a while and let this thing unfold properly before you 100% condemn a human being for a situation which you have absolutely ZERO first-hand knowledge

Yes, some of us want to see the evidence, not some news reports from the press that we know lies, before arriving at a conclusion.

I see two problems with what has been reported. The year of the white Elantra that was seized does not match what was earlier reported and given that the house was apparently party central could easily explain his DNA being in the house. Under one of the victim's fingernails, would be a different thing. But we do not know that and if only under the fingernails of one of the victims, it would not rule out an accomplice.

By the way, on Friday in one of the Patriot Front cases a judge declared that Idaho's disturbing the peace statute is unconstitutional because it includes conduct that is protected by the First Amendment and in another case I expect that she will rule that the ISP unlawfully stopped the U-Haul van, once the Idaho State Trooper who ordered the stop testifies. So far the testimony has been that law enforcement had no idea of who was in the van when the ISP decided to stop it and no officer had seen any unlawful conduct by any of the Patriot Front members before they were stopped and arrested.

[2761377]

Originally Posted by M1NM

Reasonable doubt can be created if you spend enough on attorneys. DNA was new and confusing. The DA over detailed the evidence and turned off the jury. Lots of reasons OJ is out walking around. I don't think he would be if tried today.

OJ is walking around because of the pride/arrogance of Marcia Clark and Christopher Darden. he may be guilty but they deserved to lose that case.

[-hanko]

...per msg above.

[71MUSTY]

Originally Posted by kingransom

Behavior yes, looks no. As somebody who walks the beach with a 145 lb jet black Cane Corso everyday, I can't tell you how many times I've had people call the police just because my dog looks a certain way. They don't know that he's a licensed service dog with his canine good citizenship certification, they've never seen another dog attack him and he walks away from it without even batting an eye, but they perceive him in a certain way because of the way he looks. Now if he exhibited certain types of behavior then it would be justifiable to draw conclusion, but you can't prejudge something based off of the way you perceive that it looks. Just my thoughts

Course they didn't find your dogs DNA at the crime scene and on the victims...

[kingransom]

Originally Posted by 71MUSTY

Course they didn't find your dogs DNA at the crime scene and on the victims...

I'm not saying that this looks good for him! But the sheer fact that DNA was at the scene is not an instant conviction. We don't know under what circumstances his DNA was found at the scene, and all of the particulars of where it was found. It was a known party house, we don't know that the suspect hadn't been there before for a party or under other circumstances. My god, if I was arrested and charged every time my DNA was found on a female I would be the world's most notorious serial killer. I certainly hope he's the loan perpetrator and he gets what's coming to him because this was an absolutely heinous crime. But because it was so heinous, it struck a chord with everybody and brought out emotions in people that have caused them to lash out and instantly find guilt in this person. All I'm saying is sit back and let more of the evidence come out, and let this thing play out especially in a court of law before we hang him from a light pole in a public place

[lastinline]

Originally Posted by Flyron

Heard he was currently pursuing a Phd in Criminology at Washington State?

He will now get a different kind of doctorate….he will become a proctologist, after his poop chute becomes a freeway tunnel.

[kingransom]

Software error or did the mods delete everyone's comments from this thread?

[Rotnguns]

Originally Posted by kingransom

Software error or did the mods delete everyone's comments from this thread?

I can still see lots of comments here, not sure how many there were to start. The name of the thread was changed so perhaps for awhile the comments were redirected and then returned.

[Epaphroditus]

DNA doesn't convict it only can exclude if there is no match. It's just one bit in a constellation of evidence.

Don't be mesmerized by the crime drama from Hollywood.

[BAJ475]

Originally Posted by kingransom

Software error or did the mods delete everyone's comments from this thread?

Calguns is being moved to new servers which slowed things yesterday. So that could be the reason. Running faster today for me but not back to old speeds.

[-hanko]

Originally Posted by kingransom

Hanko
You stated earlier in a post that you served in the San Mateo county courts. Which quite honestly makes the rest of your posts completely pathetic.

There's not one person who's posted on this thread that doesn't want this to be the killer, hopes he acted alone so that there's not others out there involved in this, and hopes that the courts can convict him properly and Fry his ***. I think that's something that we can all agree upon. I don't know what capacity you served in the courts, but you've already imposed a death sentence upon this person and they've yet to be brought to trial, and little to no evidence has been presented yet. You seriously need to check yourself. You act as if this is a Salem witch hunt, accuse and burn! Why don't you sit back and chill for a while and let this thing unfold properly before you 100% condemn a human being for a situation which you have absolutely ZERO first-hand knowledge

I served on a jury in San Mateo county. Hope you're happy as I changed the thread title yesterday.

[bigbossman]

Originally Posted by kingransom

Software error or did the mods delete everyone's comments from this thread?

Pretty sure they were deleted intentionally, as the missing ones seem to have dealt with some untoward comments.

Back to topic - I'm total onboard with the innocent until proven guilty, look what happened to the Jewel fellow in Atlanta a long while ago. The media ran with it and ruined an innocent man's life. I will be very interested in seeing this unfold, and to learn how they focused on him as a suspect and tracked him down.

The investigators on this case have been playing it very close to the vest, so all we really have is a scant few facts, a lot of rumor and innuendo, and wild speculation. I know from experience that the media cannot be trusted to report accurately, having been present at different events and subsequently reading about them later. Couple that with the fact that there are few new facts for them to report on, they will fill their cycle with all kinds of speculation or unverified reports from "sources".