Why you shouldn't search with a weapon-mounted light on a handgun - Massad Ayoob

[sirgrumps]

After watching this video, it makes a lot of sense and points out all the legal liabilities/ramifications caused by using a weapon mounted light.

So, will this make yo consider removing the light?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yte_ynhPItY

[johncage]

it makes the holster bulky

[Librarian]

Depending on your light, holster is not very different in bulk from non-light holster.

Nope, keeping mine on my carry gun and my nightstand gun and several long guns. And I EDC a separate light.

See also the thread in CCW Forum, http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...post&t=1818852

[TurboChrisB]

Didn't change my opinion in the least.

[deckhandmike]

Ayoob is a boob. Dude is all hot air spouting off stuff people take for gospel. He might of been on top of the game 40 years ago but times have changed.

[Featureless]

Duh. Because it lights up your exact location. Then the bad guy shoots you.

[OIF_VET]

Soooo much wrong with that video

[XDJYo]

Air quotes. NO! Close air-quotes.

[benjamin101677]

I think the video though is vague. There is a big difference if I am in bed hearing glass breaking and checking the inside of my house, compared to the front or backyard of my house. Expectations of what I can or can't do going be totally different. Probably even a different home defense weapon being used in house compared to outside.

My home defense handgun is inside a holster that has a belt clip that I can easily clip to my side if I feel the need to go outside to investigate something. As I am aware that if I go outside I am changing the situation. Reedley, Ca had a case not long ago where a home owner heard a noise went out with gun in hand to investigate and was shot by a police officer.

I have also never been worried about lighting areas up with a flashlight in giving my position up. I want a burglary / theft to flee when seeing me.

[Romeo_alpha01]

Originally Posted by deckhandmike

Ayoob is a boob. Dude is all hot air spouting off stuff people take for gospel. He might of been on top of the game 40 years ago but times have changed.

Massad Aboob?

But seriously though, I'm still keeping my WML on my carry pistol along side a handheld. Many training classes I've gone through always teach to PID with the handheld, and scan with it after a shoot. The WML is there for me when I have to go hands free or as a redundancy. My Protac HL has a Thyrm Switchback so I can still shoot my carry pistol two handed.

Those who talk about the extra bulk in a holster is exaggerating. Looks bulky, but certainly doesn't feel like it.

[NorCalBusa]

Originally Posted by Librarian

Depending on your light, holster is not very different in bulk from non-light holster.

Nope, keeping mine on my carry gun and my nightstand gun and several long guns. And I EDC a separate light.

See also the thread in CCW Forum, http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...post&t=1818852

^ this. I want my free hand well, free if I need it for something (not the phone).

[xblax619]

Originally Posted by Romeo_alpha01

Massad Aboob?

But seriously though, I'm still keeping my WML on my carry pistol along side a handheld. Many training classes I've gone through always teach to PID with the handheld, and scan with it after a shoot. The WML is there for me when I have to go hands free or as a redundancy. My Protac HL has a Thyrm Switchback so I can still shoot my carry pistol two handed.

Those who talk about the extra bulk in a holster is exaggerating. Looks bulky, but certainly doesn't feel like it.

^ Ya, I’m with Romeo Alpha. I keep a handheld next to my nightstand pistol with the wml for the same reasons.

[223556]

Neither disagree or agree.
Personally I have a light mounted on my handgun and a handheld.
Depending on the situation dictates which I’ll be using first.

[theLBC]

nope.
having a wml on a personal or home defense weapon means knowing how to properly use it, and when you would want to avoid using it.

[artoaster]

The pistol is now trending with both RDS and a weapon mounted light. All the cool kids get their handgun and before they learn iron sights they are trying to find the dot with their presentations. Same with weapon lights, no EDC of a handheld light just the Streamlight or Olight on the rail of the pistol.

At night or low light when it may be necessary to need a pistol out it might just be a good idea to have that handheld light actually in your hand. This is not a 100% rule but in gun fighting urgency takes precedence over equipment.

[rodralig]

Originally Posted by sirgrumps

After watching this video, it makes a lot of sense and points out all the legal liabilities/ramifications caused by using a weapon mounted light.

So, will this make yo consider removing the light?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yte_ynhPItY

Training and use case…

I have a WML and a handheld light. Train - learn to use which and when…

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[Eat Dirt]

Originally Posted by Featureless

Duh. Because it lights up your exact location. Then the bad guy shoots you.

Yup..left pocket has EDC light ....if needed

[JonChimpo]

I agree 100%. You all should too. I will buy your used weapon lights for .10 on the dollar.


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[deckhandmike]

I’d say 99% of my weapon light use age is just seeing what the damn dog is barking at in the backyard. A wml works just fine for that. Nothing wrong with a handheld light but why not slap one on the gun. It helps with muzzle rise anyway.

[Librarian]

Originally Posted by deckhandmike

Ayoob is a boob. Dude is all hot air spouting off stuff people take for gospel. He might of been on top of the game 40 years ago but times have changed.

So, what was wrong with the contents of the video?

[gorn5150]

Originally Posted by deckhandmike

Ayoob is a boob. Dude is all hot air spouting off stuff people take for gospel. He might of been on top of the game 40 years ago but times have changed.

Ayoob the boob is exactly how he was referred to by law enforcement trainers in the 80's.

[theLBC]

Originally Posted by Librarian

So, what was wrong with the contents of the video?

i suppose much of it "could" apply to somebody, but again based on his assumptions.
he says he you use spill to illuminate the room, and see a person unexpectedly, you would automatically point the gun at the person to identify him (or her).
wrong. i can identify a person in a typically sized room with the spill from a decent wml. i don't have to point it at them like a 100w light from the 90s.
no, i won't accidentally pull a 10lb double-action trigger...

that said, he didn't say not to have one...and searching the woods with a rifle mounted light is silly, imho.

/what's with the hair piece? he is stuck in the 80s?

[deckhandmike]

Name one calgunner we’ve lost due to using a wml. I’m waiting.

[SharedShots]

Originally Posted by deckhandmike

Name one calgunner we’ve lost due to using a wml. I’m waiting.

Same as asking how many Calgunners have died waiting for the AW ban to be overturned.

They're dead, they don't post anymore unless they are liberals.



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[sirgrumps]

Living if Kalifornistan, we are mostly subjected and prosecuted by weapons hostile DA’s. Many who think like Thomas Binger, the DA who prosecuted Kyle Rittenhouse. There was no doubt that Rittenhouse’s situation was a self defense shoot, yet the DA tried to get a conviction.

Even if you win, the process is the punishment and the legal fees may break you.

I could totally see an unscrupulous DA wanting to make an example of someone with a self defense situation.. A successful prosecution leads to higher office.

Do you think any George Soros backed DA, like Boudin (before he was recalled) Gascon or the lady in San Diego would flinch trying to financially ruin you over a justified shoot?

They have qualified immunity, so even if the announce before the trail their intension to ruin you financially, personally, and destroy your family, you could not sue them.

The NY AG campaigned on her plans to jail Trump. Yet, she has the backing of the NY state government to try and accomplish that campaign promise. Trump is one of the few people who have the financial resources to take on any government.

[jarhead714]

Originally Posted by deckhandmike

Name one calgunner we’ve lost due to using a wml. I’m waiting.

I ain’t gonna be the first, player.

[HKAllTheThings]

PS it’s okay to turn on the lights on your home

[jarhead714]

If you own the night, how do you do it with a F-ing light on?

[D.A.V.I.D.]

Zero chance, I carry a light on my gun and a light in my pocket everyday. If I’m in a situation where I’ve drawn my gun I’m not using a handheld anymore. Plus the lights are bright enough now you don’t have to be pointing it directly at something to light it up.

[Oldmandan]

Originally Posted by HKAllTheThings

PS it’s okay to turn on the lights on your home

Ding, ding, ding! Winner!

Just because a WML exists doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.

How about a flashlight, to get to you light switch? So we don’t point guns at our loved ones when they make a noise in the middle of the night.

[Mack661]

Carried Glock 21 for many years with Surefire x300 light with pressure switch to activate light. When searching for suspect much more tactically sound to use weapon light pointing gun where possible threat would be. When people use hand held flashlights they point light one way and gun another way

[johncage]

if you really want to be tactically sound, turn the flashlight on and toss it across the room. the light bleed will light up the entire room, the hostile will go to investigate it and turn away from you

alternatively, place flashlight on a desk, counter, or other raised surface, pointed at a hallway or entryway, then the intruder's reaction to it will reveal their intentions and inform your next move.

[Scratch705]

I just wear a headlamp and have a wml.

Hands free and throws off the bad guy cause they would think a giant is coming for them

[hunterb]

Originally Posted by deckhandmike

Ayoob is a boob. Dude is all hot air spouting off stuff people take for gospel. He might of been on top of the game 40 years ago but times have changed.

THIS.

Ayoob is a clown.

[HKAllTheThings]

Originally Posted by jarhead714

If you own the night, how do you do it with a F-ing light on?

[NATO762]

Flashlight? I can see in the dark. If you can’t, put your NVGs on first.

[Vangster]

It’s better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

[Eat Dirt]

Originally Posted by johncage

if you really want to be tactically sound, turn the flashlight on and toss it across the room. the light bleed will light up the entire room, the hostile will go to investigate it and turn away from you

alternatively, place flashlight on a desk, counter, or other raised surface, pointed at a hallway or entryway, then the intruder's reaction to it will reveal their intentions and inform your next move.

Need someone to invent light with delayed start time

[Scotty]

I have a 3000 lumen handheld that I will blind you with. It lights up half the inside of the house. If I need to start shooting, that light gets dropped and the WML will come on.

[toiletfighter]

WTF is up with that dudes hair?