***UPDATE***CMP 1911 ROUND 3 INFO (WINDOW EXTENDED DUE TO IAN)

[19K]

Originally Posted by Gryff

This ties in to what has bugged me about the whole CMP 1911 process. The organization is supposed to be about getting surplus firearms in the hands of Americans so that they can improve their shooting abilities. Instead it has turned into a collector feeding frenzy. To see the griping about configurations not being ideal just kills me.

I get it the not being excited about what you receive but it’s nothing to be disappointed with the CMP about. It’s exactly what they promised to sell you.

I would not like a replacement slide 1911 Or a mismatching 1911. I will be happy with a US Military 1911a1 though

In a perfect world we will all win the lottery and receive a matching 1911 with original finish that was issued to a general who never went overseas so it’s in immaculate condition lol.

[M1A Rifleman]

Originally Posted by shootthehorses

I'll give it a try. Turns out it is a 1942 Colt frame with an Ithaca slide. It's in temporary jail right now. It's in very good (90%-95%) condition and doesn't seem to have a bunch of arsenal stamps all over it, so it may be a keeper, but I'm still going to think it over.

Sounds like an authentic military 1911A1 in nice shape that had been overhauled at some time where the slide was changed out with what was on hand. I wouldn't see any reason to not be happy.

[MattB]

Originally Posted by 19K

It’s not in original military configuration. Unless they can prove the military did all those upgrades I think it loses its C&R status and at that point the roster applies. As far as the requests, that’s all it is. They have no obligation to honor your manufacturer request.

You are purchasing a surplus US Military M1911a1. You received just that. It sucks not getting the manufacturer you wanted but you received what your purchased. They say on the forums if you want something specific go to the CMP auction.

From the ATF.

Firearms automatically attain C&R status when they are 50 years old. Any firearm that is at least 50 years old, and in its original configuration, would qualify as a C&R firearm.

Also bare/stripper receivers do not qualify for C&R status.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios-relics

I see. Thank you for informing me. I don’t care what I get as long as it is a functional USGI 1911 or 1911A1. Hopefully I’ll be getting the call soon since I’m 34254 and people in the 341xx range started getting calls last week.

[SkyHawk]

Note that the actual law does not say it has to be "original configuration"
https://regulations.atf.gov/478-11/2...-11-p432088716

Original configuration is a standard that ATF applies to guns being imported into the USA because they are authorized by law to make such criteria as a condition of issuing an import permit.

However they do not just get to apply that standard to guns in the USA. That said, since the FUD is in the air some sellers will not go against the grain, and it seems that easier way is the road CMP is taking.

[MattB]

Originally Posted by SkyHawk

Note that the actual law does not say it has to be "original configuration"
https://regulations.atf.gov/478-11/2...-11-p432088716

Original configuration is a standard that ATF applies to guns being imported into the USA because they are authorized by law to make such criteria as a condition of issuing an import permit.

However they do not just get to apply that standard to guns in the USA. That said, since the FUD is in the air some sellers will not go against the grain, and it seems that easier way is the road CMP is taking.

Interesting. I also read through the CMP 1911 website again and nowhere does it say that the range grades can’t go to California. When I get the call I may ask about range grade and see if they tell me no as well. Worst case scenario I go with field or service grade. I’ll be happy regardless of what I get.

[19K]

Originally Posted by SkyHawk

Note that the actual law does not say it has to be "original configuration"
https://regulations.atf.gov/478-11/2...-11-p432088716

Original configuration is a standard that ATF applies to guns being imported into the USA because they are authorized by law to make such criteria as a condition of issuing an import permit.

However they do not just get to apply that standard to guns in the USA. That said, since the FUD is in the air some sellers will not go against the grain, and it seems that easier way is the road CMP is taking.

Thanks for that info! This is something I’ve heard and read for the last 10 years and never knew it wasn’t actually in the law.

[MattB]

Just got the call from CMP. All grades available (except range because I’m in California). Went with field grade since those seem to be the best balance of condition and originality, though I’m sure I’ll be happy with whatever I get.

[19K]

Originally Posted by MattB

Just got the call from CMP. All grades available (except range because I’m in California). Went with field grade since those seem to be the best balance of condition and originality, though I’m sure I’ll be happy with whatever I get.

What was your RGN? Are you on the CMP forum?

[MattB]

Originally Posted by 19K

What was your RGN? Are you on the CMP forum?

RGN 34254. I’ve tried to sign up for CMP forum but my account has been pending activation for over a month. Tried emailing the admins of that forum. Maybe they can help. If you’re on that forum feel free to post that 34254 has been called. They actually already sent me shipping confirmation for it (though the CMP rep told me that it probably wouldn’t physically ship out until Monday due to the holiday.) Hoping to do the paperwork at the FFL early next week. Looking forward to getting hands on my field grade 1911. Hoping for a Remington Rand or Colt but it’s all luck of the draw of course.

[19K]

Originally Posted by MattB

RGN 34254. I’ve tried to sign up for CMP forum but my account has been pending activation for over a month. Tried emailing the admins of that forum. Maybe they can help. If you’re on that forum feel free to post that 34254 has been called. They actually already sent me shipping confirmation for it (though the CMP rep told me that it probably wouldn’t physically ship out until Monday due to the holiday.) Hoping to do the paperwork at the FFL early next week. Looking forward to getting hands on my field grade 1911. Hoping for a Remington Rand or Colt but it’s all luck of the draw of course.

Sounds good! What’s your name on there? I can also post that you’re waiting for your account to activate. Maybe that’ll make them activate your account

[MarCat]

Originally Posted by MattB

Just got the call from CMP. All grades available (except range because I’m in California). Went with field grade since those seem to be the best balance of condition and originality, though I’m sure I’ll be happy with whatever I get.

Glad you got the call.

[Gryff]

Originally Posted by MattB

RGN 34254.

That's exciting. I'm 34581.

[MattB]

Originally Posted by Gryff

That's exciting. I'm 34581.

I’d expect you’ll get your call in the next few weeks then. They seem to do around 200 per week.

[Xplosiv3]

Shipped my packet to them last week, was delivered yesterday according to the tracking number.

I've been hearing of sub 2 month turnaround times recently for the 1911s from the time they get the packet to the time you get the call. Hopefully that's the case. Anyone know what area code the number is they call you from? I don't answer %99 of unrecognized calls and don't want to miss it.

[SkyHawk]

2 months would be an amazing turnaround time - IIRC I waited much longer than a year for the call in the first round.

[19K]

Originally Posted by Xplosiv3

Shipped my packet to them last week, was delivered yesterday according to the tracking number.

I've been hearing of sub 2 month turnaround times recently for the 1911s from the time they get the packet to the time you get the call. Hopefully that's the case. Anyone know what area code the number is they call you from? I don't answer %99 of unrecognized calls and don't want to miss it.

Not the case. I’m almost at 2 months and still 2,000 RGNs away. So IF they are doing 200 a week that’s 10 more weeks. If it’s 160ish a week, that’s 12 more weeks.

Still better than 12-18 months that most had to wait but it’s definitely not sub 2 months from packet delivery.

[Gryff]

Originally Posted by Xplosiv3

Anyone know what area code the number is they call you from? I don't answer %99 of unrecognized calls and don't want to miss it.

256-770-4744

[Xplosiv3]

Originally Posted by Gryff

256-770-4744

Thanks! Contact saved.

[19K]

Originally Posted by Xplosiv3

Shipped my packet to them last week, was delivered yesterday according to the tracking number.

I've been hearing of sub 2 month turnaround times recently for the 1911s from the time they get the packet to the time you get the call. Hopefully that's the case. Anyone know what area code the number is they call you from? I don't answer %99 of unrecognized calls and don't want to miss it.

On the CMP forum someone just posted their packet was delivered on 11/8 and their RGn is 37421. That’s 1000 past mine which was received mid October.

[Xplosiv3]

Originally Posted by 19K

On the CMP forum someone just posted their packet was delivered on 11/8 and their RGn is 37421. That’s 1000 past mine which was received mid October.

How do you get your RGN? Do they email it to you?

[Gryff]

Originally Posted by Xplosiv3

How do you get your RGN? Do they email it to you?

I got an email from smellon@thecmp.org with the subject "CMP CUSTOMER SERVICE 1911"

[DriftinG Z32]

I received the call from CMP today (RGN 34404). Purchased a Service Grade pistol. Was told no special requests accepted. Hopefully I get something matching.

[MattB]

My field grade arrived today. Colt slide (I think wartime, but I'll have to look at it more closely once I pick it up from the waiting period) and Ithaca frame. Barrel is a USGI replacement dated 1985. It's got some honest wear and some very mild surface corrosion (or quite possible dirt) that will come off with a good cleaning and oiling. "AA" Markings on the frame suggest a rebuild at Augusta. Serial indicates 1943 or 1944 build. And honestly it looks better in person than in the picture. I'm very happy with it. I was hoping for something without a USGI replacement slide and I got one. Would absolutely go with field grade again if I had the chance to buy another.

[Gryff]

Originally Posted by DriftinG Z32

I received the call from CMP today (RGN 34404). Purchased a Service Grade pistol. Was told no special requests accepted. Hopefully I get something matching.

Man...177 numbers to go. Getting antsy...

[MattB]

Originally Posted by Gryff

Man...177 numbers to go. Getting antsy...

Waiting was the worst part. Every time my phone would ring with an unknown number I’d be hoping it was from CMP.

[MarCat]

Originally Posted by Gryff

Man...177 numbers to go. Getting antsy...

Ha! That's funny and I totally get it. Great news is that you will be getting the call before Christmas. Any idea what grade you are going to request?

[Gryff]

Originally Posted by MarCat

Ha! That's funny and I totally get it. Great news is that you will be getting the call before Christmas. Any idea what grade you are going to request?

Field. I like the idea of trading wear for a chance that the gun is less molested.

[MattB]

Originally Posted by Gryff

Field. I like the idea of trading wear for a chance that the gun is less molested.

That was my thinking as well when I ordered my field grade pistol. I had hoped to avoid one of the 1980s replacement slides or a recent reparkerizing. I wanted something with original components and honest wear, and I pretty much got what I wanted.

[Xplosiv3]

Anyone expecting a call soon should apply for one of those rewards credit cards where you get $200 cash back after spending $1000 within the first 3 months. And hopefully some of us should be getting the $350 stimulus debit card over the next month or 2.

Capital One, Chase, Amex, Wells Fargo, Bank of America. All good ones. The Amex cards I believe will give you an instant credit card number to use before actually getting the card in the mail. Double check to make sure CMP accepts Amex though.

Capital One and Amex give you the reward $$ the fastest out of all of those cards once you spend 1k.

[shootthehorses]

I picked up my Service Grade from LGS yesterday after it did its jail time. RGN number was in low 34,000 range. 1942 Colt Frame with Ithaca slide, replacement barrel, nice, supposedly Vietnam era magazine, and what look to be original Colt grips. No arsenal rebuild stamps on it but it looks like it was probably reparked at some time and got a new slide stop, hammer and safety. It's nice but I'm still bummed they wouldn't send a Range Grade to Kommiefornia. I'm still mulling it over as to keep it or not, I'm considering selling it or taking interesting trades. No reflection on CMP, I'm over the moon about my SA 1943 Expert Grade M1 Garand.

[MattB]

Originally Posted by shootthehorses

I picked mine up from LGS yesterday after it did its jail time. RGN number was in low 34,000 range. 1942 Colt Frame with Ithaca slide, replacement barrel, nice, supposedly Vietnam era magazine, and what look to be original Colt grips.
No arsenal rebuild stamps on it but it looks like it was probably reparked at some time and got a new slide stop, hammer and safety. It's nice but I'm still bummed they wouldn't send a Range Grade to Kommiefornia. I'm still mulling it over as to keep it or not, I'm considering selling it or taking interesting trades. No reflection on CMP, I'm over the moon about my 1943 Expert Grade Garand.

Yours is the reverse of mine. Mine’s Ithaca frame and Colt slide. Similarly reparked too. It’s a nice looking pistol. I share your disappointment about not being able to get a range grade though. I’ve seen a few cool ones posted on other forums. When I got the call from CMP I tried politely asking why I couldn’t get one in California, but the CMP rep who called me didn’t know what the reason was.

[Xplosiv3]

Originally Posted by MattB

Yours is the reverse of mine. Mine’s Ithaca frame and Colt slide. Similarly reparked too. It’s a nice looking pistol. I share your disappointment about not being able to get a range grade though. I’ve seen a few cool ones posted on other forums. When I got the call from CMP I tried politely asking why I couldn’t get one in California, but the CMP rep who called me didn’t know what the reason was.

Basically, it's their way of taking an "abundance of caution" when it comes to the laws about modifying a C&R gun in such a way that it is no longer C&R eligible and thus, the roster would apply.

The Range grade is the only grade the CMP uses the word "modified" for even though Rack, Service, and Field Grades can also have non-oem parts. But I guess not as many as Range grade?

I doubt all of the stuff they mention for range grades would strip a 1911 of it's C&R status but they just don't want to take any risks I guess.

[MattB]

Originally Posted by Gryff

Got the call on Friday (#34581).

Nice. What grade did you choose?

[Gryff]

Field with the hand-select/matching serial numbers option.

But then I woke up and just did Field grade (FYI, they told me only Field, Rack, and Range grades are still available)

[MattB]

Originally Posted by Gryff

Field with the hand-select/matching serial numbers option.

But then I woke up and just did Field grade (FYI, they told me only Field, Rack, and Range grades are still available)

Yeah I wish they offered a hand select option, but I suppose that’s what the auction grade pistols are for. I actually tried bidding on a few that looked like they were field grade, but they quickly were bid well past what I was comfortable paying for one of these pistols.

Interesting that they’re out of service grade pistols. I wonder if they’ll get more as they open more crates. Field grade is the best option IMO though. I’d say that my field grade could easily have been classified as a service grade if it had been cleaned prior to grading.

[Gryff]

When these arrive at your FFL, can they be processed as a C&R? I know that CMP can’t send them as C&R, but does that preclude your FFL from processing as one?

[1911-CV]

Yes, your FFL can process as C&R. Bring your FFL03 and COE and take it home.

[Gryff]

Call came Friday. Gun arrived Tuesday. Picked it up last night. Field Grade.

Remington Rand frame (1945 production, I believe). Colt slide. I think the markings on the barrel hood show that the barrel was replaced in 1985.

Gun seems to be a nice condition for its age. No rust. There is a noticeable line of tint difference on the front of the slide, and the thumb safety might be a replacement (distinctly darker finish)

I don't know much about surplus 1911s, so I would love to hear anyone's thoughts.

[MattB]

Originally Posted by Gryff

Call came Friday. Gun arrived Tuesday. Picked it up last night. Field Grade.

Remington Rand frame (1945 production, I believe). Colt slide. I think the markings on the barrel hood show that the barrel was replaced in 1985.

Gun seems to be a nice condition for its age. No rust. There is a noticeable line of tint difference on the front of the slide, and the thumb safety might be a replacement (distinctly darker finish)

I don't know much about surplus 1911s, so I would love to hear anyone's thoughts.

Nice looking pistol. The finish difference on the front of the slide is from heat treating of that portion. Slides were heat treated at the front and around the slide stop cutout and depending on the individual slide some show discoloration in those areas. Mine shows a significant color difference around the slide stop cutout but not as much around the front.

[jonron]

I was lucky and got in on the first round my RGN was 6151 and I took possession in July of 2019. I don't remember which grade I ordered but was offered all 3, I paid just over $1,000.00 after DROS and dealer charges. I got a Remington Rand frame mfg in 1944 and a type 3 Remington slide., which is consistent with the date of mfg, The pistol is a safe queen at present. I'm getting along in years and do not get around as I once did, that's why it has not been fired, If I had the skill I would send some pix but I just don't understand all this newfangled stuff. Just submitted so others will know about the 1911's they are beautiful firearms