Sad to see what has become of the Pink Pistols

[tanman8907]

I heard of the Pink Pistols group way back when and, when I recently took interest in joining, I found many factors that indicated to me the total decay of the Pink Pistols society:

1. A burned out Wordpress website (possibly even infected with malware???)
2. a list of chapters with Facebook pages that mostly seem totally unmonitored and disengaged
3. A website reference to having lost contact with chapters entirely or chapters having died
4. Archives last updated July 2020
5. No apparent source of funding for the organization and no donations structure
6. No recent mention of the Pink Pistols in any media that I could find
7. Typos and weird political language throughout the website
8. A website that doesn't even comply with current laws (privacy policy not listed, cookie policy not listed, terms and conditions not listed, and etc).
9. No apparent central leadership whatsoever and nobody even listed to contact
10. A dead link entirely where their forum should be

It is a shame to me that the Pink Pistol group seems to have fizzled out like this on the national level. Does anyone know what happened to the group and why they died out? I'd love to see someone take an interest in actually organizing the group and getting some actual revenue in there so that it doesn't continue to go extinct in this way. Do they even have a non-profit or corporate registration or is it just sort of a cobbled together idea that existed for a while?

[Dirtlaw]

Originally Posted by tanman8907

I heard of the Pink Pistols group way back when and, when I recently took interest in joining, I found many factors that indicated to me the total decay of the Pink Pistols society:

1. A burned out Wordpress website (possibly even infected with malware???)
2. a list of chapters with Facebook pages that mostly seem totally unmonitored and disengaged
3. A website reference to having lost contact with chapters entirely or chapters having died
4. Archives last updated July 2020
5. No apparent source of funding for the organization and no donations structure
6. No recent mention of the Pink Pistols in any media that I could find
7. Typos and weird political language throughout the website
8. A website that doesn't even comply with current laws (privacy policy not listed, cookie policy not listed, terms and conditions not listed, and etc).
9. No apparent central leadership whatsoever and nobody even listed to contact
10. A dead link entirely where their forum should be

It is a shame to me that the Pink Pistol group seems to have fizzled out like this on the national level. Does anyone know what happened to the group and why they died out? I'd love to see someone take an interest in actually organizing the group and getting some actual revenue in there so that it doesn't continue to go extinct in this way. Do they even have a non-profit or corporate registration or is it just sort of a cobbled together idea that existed for a while?

If you have the time take the lead.

[HKAllTheThings]

This group never made sense to me considering its membership practiced something that a majority of those politically-aligned with the same cause found uncomfortable. It's a little like being an evangelical Democrat.

[Jeepergeo]

Originally Posted by tanman8907

I heard of the Pink Pistols group way back when and, when I recently took interest in joining, I found many factors that indicated to me the total decay of the Pink Pistols society:

1. A burned out Wordpress website (possibly even infected with malware???)
2. a list of chapters with Facebook pages that mostly seem totally unmonitored and disengaged
3. A website reference to having lost contact with chapters entirely or chapters having died
4. Archives last updated July 2020
5. No apparent source of funding for the organization and no donations structure
6. No recent mention of the Pink Pistols in any media that I could find
7. Typos and weird political language throughout the website
8. A website that doesn't even comply with current laws (privacy policy not listed, cookie policy not listed, terms and conditions not listed, and etc).
9. No apparent central leadership whatsoever and nobody even listed to contact
10. A dead link entirely where their forum should be

It is a shame to me that the Pink Pistol group seems to have fizzled out like this on the national level. Does anyone know what happened to the group and why they died out? I'd love to see someone take an interest in actually organizing the group and getting some actual revenue in there so that it doesn't continue to go extinct in this way. Do they even have a non-profit or corporate registration or is it just sort of a cobbled together idea that existed for a while?

Can I translate the part where I added bold? A statement like that almost always means the writer/speaker/poster wants somebody OTHER THAN THEMSELVES to take the ball and run with it. And please don't tell me I'm wrong about the OP, let the OP show us what specific actions the OP has personally taken to resurrect the Pink Pistols.

[tanman8907]

Originally Posted by Jeepergeo

Can I translate the part where I added bold? A statement like that almost always means the writer/speaker/poster wants somebody OTHER THAN THEMSELVES to take the ball and run with it. And please don't tell me I'm wrong about the OP, let the OP show us what specific actions the OP has personally taken to resurrect the Pink Pistols.

That was sort of the point of this post. I asked specific questions about the state of the organization in order to ascertain information and maybe a starting point of contact. With that being said, nobody has yet to answer my questions so I am still in the dark.

With that being said, I will not self-elect myself to be the savior of the Pink Pistols. I have been down a similar road before and my experience is that this is way too much responsibility for one guy and burnout is all but assured before any real traction is gained. I would very much like to help out though (like say maybe be in charge of one aspect like the webmaster, web designer, and/or the marketing/company registration/fundraising/bookkeeping consultant) if I could team up with a few others who would be willing to put in some work to get the organization up and running again. That is the key though and why I need a starting point of contact.

[tanman8907]

Originally Posted by Dirtlaw

If you have the time take the lead.

See my reply to Jeepergeo.

[tanman8907]

Originally Posted by HKAllTheThings

This group never made sense to me considering its membership practiced something that a majority of those politically-aligned with the same cause found uncomfortable. It's a little like being an evangelical Democrat.

I am assuming in this reply that you are unaffirming if you say, "practicing something" but I apologize if I am incorrect.

You seem to paint with multiple broad brushes there in a single statement. Your statement seems to assume that:

• The majority of 2A supporters in California are unaffirming of LGBTQ (which I suspect is way off-base but I cannot prove of course).
• That unaffirming 2A supporters in CA are disinterested in supporting LGBTQ people who are interested in learning about/owning firearms.
• That LGBTQ people do not have a viable place in the 2A supporting community.

I'll have you know that almost every LGBTQ friend that I have is either interested in shooting, has been shooting before and enjoyed it, owns a gun, or wants to own a gun and are anywhere from passively to actively supportive of 2A rights on some level or another. I've been teaching my various LGBTQ friends to shoot for a few years now and the wait list is super long. By the time I am done, I will have been shooting with/taught how to shoot like 95 percent of my many various Southern California LGBTQ friends. But I understand your disregard; this is likely something you would not know or ever experience if you spend your time within circles that refer to LGBTQ as, "practicing something".

Also, your comment seems to contribute little to my post except pessimism and unaffirming comments like, "practicing something". My post is clearly LGBTQ affirming and I would clearly not desire such comments. Please directly respond to my post with something positive if you are going to be replying.

[acegunnr]

I think the Liberal Gun Club and the Liberal Gun Owners Association have taken over the mantle.

https://theliberalgunclub.com/

Here is one of their more visible proponents.

https://youtu.be/k_b9HIrjrAY

[pacrat]

Originally Posted by tanman8907

I heard of the Pink Pistols group way back when and, when I recently took interest in joining, I found many factors that indicated to me the total decay of the Pink Pistols society:

1. A burned out Wordpress website (possibly even infected with malware???)
2. a list of chapters with Facebook pages that mostly seem totally unmonitored and disengaged
3. A website reference to having lost contact with chapters entirely or chapters having died
4. Archives last updated July 2020
5. No apparent source of funding for the organization and no donations structure
6. No recent mention of the Pink Pistols in any media that I could find
7. Typos and weird political language throughout the website
8. A website that doesn't even comply with current laws (privacy policy not listed, cookie policy not listed, terms and conditions not listed, and etc).
9. No apparent central leadership whatsoever and nobody even listed to contact
10. A dead link entirely where their forum should be

It is a shame to me that the Pink Pistol group seems to have fizzled out like this on the national level. Does anyone know what happened to the group and why they died out? I'd love to see someone take an interest in actually organizing the group and getting some actual revenue in there so that it doesn't continue to go extinct in this way. Do they even have a non-profit or corporate registration or is it just sort of a cobbled together idea that existed for a while?

Suggest you contact CG member "nicki" they were very active both here and with PP a few yrs ago.

They started this thread last month. https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1804689

[splithoof]

Who cares if a person that supports the 2A and RKBA is a part of another “community”? If they can follow the Four Rules, it’s not my business, I don’t ask, and don’t care. Let’s talk guns, shooting, ammo, reloading, and classes first. The other dosen’t matter.

[tanman8907]

Originally Posted by acegunnr

I think the Liberal Gun Club and the Liberal Gun Owners Association have taken over the mantle.

https://theliberalgunclub.com/

Here is one of their more visible proponents.

https://youtu.be/k_b9HIrjrAY

Thanks for the info! It is cool to see a space where LGBTQ shooters may be more welcomed. But I still wish there was a space for such a focused group.

The video you gave is amazing and I think it adds to this conversation too. Gun use and ownership in the U.S. really is in 2.0 stage now and the sooner that traditional conservative gun owners realize this, the sooner proper focus can be made on rallying 2A support among a much wider population of the U.S. (imo, so much so that non 2A supporters would become a small minority). My desire for such a space for LGBTQ people is a perfect example of that since said people may not feel comfortable in current standing 2A groups which may give off an unaffirming vibe.

The video also mentions the group, Armed Equality, which appears to also have a defunct website.

[tanman8907]

Originally Posted by pacrat

Suggest you contact CG member "nicki" they were very active both here and with PP a few yrs ago.

They started this thread last month. https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1804689

Thank you so much! I have reached out.

[tanman8907]

Originally Posted by splithoof

Who cares if a person that supports the 2A and RKBA is a part of another “community”? If they can follow the Four Rules, it’s not my business, I don’t ask, and don’t care. Let’s talk guns, shooting, ammo, reloading, and classes first. The other dosen’t matter.

Yes, this is a really good attitude to have! Unfortunately, with how polarized society has become, many of your 2A peers do not act accordingly and it is hard for LGBTQ people to become exposed to someone willing to expose them to guns or to find a group where they can both feel welcomed and also enjoy developing a shooting trend in their lives.

[static2126]

Originally Posted by HKAllTheThings

This group never made sense to me considering its membership practiced something that a majority of those politically-aligned with the same cause found uncomfortable. It's a little like being an evangelical Democrat.

Most gunowners now are not uncomfortable with gays

[static2126]

Originally Posted by tanman8907

Yes, this is a really good attitude to have! Unfortunately, with how polarized society has become, many of your 2A peers do not act accordingly and it is hard for LGBTQ people to become exposed to someone willing to expose them to guns or to find a group where they can both feel welcomed and also enjoy developing a shooting trend in their lives.

Disagree at least in Texas. Plenty of gay shooters. They do need to overcome initial hesitancy

[-hanko]

Originally Posted by splithoof

Who cares if a person that supports the 2A and RKBA is a part of another “community”? If they can follow the Four Rules, it’s not my business, I don’t ask, and don’t care. Let’s talk guns, shooting, ammo, reloading, and classes first. The other dosen’t matter.

Splithoof is correct.

If you're learning about guns, keep it on guns. Others don't give a schit about your sexual proclivities.

[tanman8907]

Originally Posted by static2126

Disagree at least in Texas. Plenty of gay shooters. They do need to overcome initial hesitancy

I am curious as to your basis of your opinion. Mine is based on personal experience as well as the personal experiences of many of my LGBTQ peers. I could only find one academic study on LGBTQ gun use but it is a single factor case study and does little to create a deeper understanding of the potential 2A support of LGBTQ people.

Your statement, "They do need to overcome initial hesitancy" indicates a barrier to 2A support for LGBTQ people that should not have to be there and thus why I am inquiring about the state of LGBTQ shooting groups to begin with.

[tanman8907]

Originally Posted by -hanko

Splithoof is correct.

If you're learning about guns, keep it on guns. Others don't give a schit about your sexual proclivities.

This seems to be an optimistic but ultimately oversimplified view of the reality of the experience of LGBTQ people. In an ideal world, we could compartmentalize every opinion and view that we have but that is definitely not how it plays out in reality. The reality is that many 2A supporters ARE vocal about not affirming LGBTQ, do not even intermix with any LGBTQ people in their lives who would be 2A support curious, even feel uncomfortable around LGBTQ people, and the apparent need for LGBTQ accepting spaces within the 2A community is seriously lacking. It only takes one or a few of said outspoken unaffirming people in any 2A group to make someone LGBTQ uncomfortable to be there or likely not to even be aware of the group in the first place.

[Gryff]

While my personal romantic choices don't intersect with those who would be involved with the Pink Pistols, I do support any group that would be advocates for 2A/RKBA.

If someone wants to organize a small group that would like some handgun instruction (or just a chance to shoot), I would happy to host you at Richmond Rod & Gun Club. Depending on the day, there might be the need to pay a small fee for a bay rental, but it would be a nominal cost. I can provide handguns and ammo, although I would like to be reimbursed for the ammo.

[2761377]

Originally Posted by tanman8907

This seems to be an optimistic but ultimately oversimplified view of the reality of the experience of LGBTQ people. In an ideal world, we could compartmentalize every opinion and view that we have but that is definitely not how it plays out in reality. The reality is that many 2A supporters ARE vocal about not affirming LGBTQ, do not even intermix with any LGBTQ people in their lives who would be 2A support curious, even feel uncomfortable around LGBTQ people, and the apparent need for LGBTQ accepting spaces within the 2A community is seriously lacking. It only takes one or a few of said outspoken unaffirming people in any 2A group to make someone LGBTQ uncomfortable to be there or likely not to even be aware of the group in the first place.

sorry, such a "need" does not exist.

the number of alphabet intersectionalists who support 2A is tiny, and of no political consequence.

[JWHuey]

Originally Posted by 2761377

sorry, such a "need" does not exist.

the number of alphabet intersectionalists who support 2A is tiny, and of no political consequence.

I am going to have to agree.

A large part of the 2a, and self defense in general, is that you cannot think of yourself as a victim, or, you will continue to be one.

That applies to all aspects of life...

[splithoof]

Originally Posted by tanman8907

This seems to be an optimistic but ultimately oversimplified view of the reality of the experience of LGBTQ people. In an ideal world, we could compartmentalize every opinion and view that we have but that is definitely not how it plays out in reality. The reality is that many 2A supporters ARE vocal about not affirming LGBTQ, do not even intermix with any LGBTQ people in their lives who would be 2A support curious, even feel uncomfortable around LGBTQ people, and the apparent need for LGBTQ accepting spaces within the 2A community is seriously lacking. It only takes one or a few of said outspoken unaffirming people in any 2A group to make someone LGBTQ uncomfortable to be there or likely not to even be aware of the group in the first place.

Why does anyone from any particular group need to be “affirmed” by anyone else, unless they are trying to spotlight some aspect about them that has nothing to do with the activity at hand? When I attend a shooting event, most everyone acts, and for the majority, dress the same. How would I know if someone was gay for instance, other than them bringing it up? And why would they? It’s a shooting event, not something else.

[splithoof]

Originally Posted by tanman8907

Yes, this is a really good attitude to have! Unfortunately, with how polarized society has become, many of your 2A peers do not act accordingly and it is hard for LGBTQ people to become exposed to someone willing to expose them to guns or to find a group where they can both feel welcomed and also enjoy developing a shooting trend in their lives.

Are they looking to be welcomed on the basis of their personal “status”, or looking to be welcomed as fellow shooters and 2A supporters? I am interested in furthering the 2A and shooting first; including someone on the basis of their lifestyle for the sake of inclusion is not how I operate. They can either demonstrate (or be willing to learn) safe and efficient gun handling or they can’t. If they can’t (or won’t be willing to learn), I won’t have anything to do with them. If they are good at gun handling and shooting, all are welcome.

[ivanimal]

We used to March in the S F and L A pride parades with the pink pistols. W always wanted solidarity among all gun owners. They were well organized just a few years ago. I am sorry to hear that they are not relevant anymore.

[tanman8907]

Originally Posted by Gryff

While my personal romantic choices don't intersect with those who would be involved with the Pink Pistols, I do support any group that would be advocates for 2A/RKBA.

If someone wants to organize a small group that would like some handgun instruction (or just a chance to shoot), I would happy to host you at Richmond Rod & Gun Club. Depending on the day, there might be the need to pay a small fee for a bay rental, but it would be a nominal cost. I can provide handguns and ammo, although I would like to be reimbursed for the ammo.

Thank you so much for your support and understanding. Unfortunately, I live in SoCal so this would not work out for me but I'm sure that there are LGBTQ people in your area who are curious to learn about/try guns and would like a friend like you to show them. The hard part is connecting :/

[tanman8907]

Originally Posted by 2761377

sorry, such a "need" does not exist.

the number of alphabet intersectionalists who support 2A is tiny, and of no political consequence.

Nobody asked for your unsupported, dismissive, and completely provocative claims in such a thread. Please take them somewhere else and learn to be more respectful to others.

[tanman8907]

Originally Posted by JWHuey

I am going to have to agree.

A large part of the 2a, and self defense in general, is that you cannot think of yourself as a victim, or, you will continue to be one.

That applies to all aspects of life...

Okay, for one, this doesn't help or support my original post in any way and is getting way off base at this point. But also, labeling unassuming LGBTQ as self victimizing just simply for having a self-ascribed sexual identity and then attributing illogical causation to your predetermined conclusion that they will not be 2A supporters is flawed thinking and bigoted self-righteousness (I'm not a self-victimized person like they are). Please take that elsewhere; I didn't ask for it here nor is it appropriate on this thread.

[tanman8907]

Originally Posted by splithoof

Are they looking to be welcomed on the basis of their personal “status”, or looking to be welcomed as fellow shooters and 2A supporters? I am interested in furthering the 2A and shooting first; including someone on the basis of their lifestyle for the sake of inclusion is not how I operate. They can either demonstrate (or be willing to learn) safe and efficient gun handling or they can’t. If they can’t (or won’t be willing to learn), I won’t have anything to do with them. If they are good at gun handling and shooting, all are welcome.

This is a positive attitude to have as an unaffirming person willing to teach a LGBTQ person about guns. Unfortunately, I'm willing to bet that you are not close enough with LGBTQ people in your life (having the views you seem to portray) for them to feel comfortable enough to approach you to ask to shoot. It's not like someone who has never shot before is going to one day think, "I'm curious about guns; I think I will seek out that one guy whom I hardly know, but I think is unaffirming, to teach me about guns".

This is why I think a group like the Pink Pistols and etc is so crucial. It is a gateway to a large group within the LGBTQ community which is curious about guns to feel comfortable seeking out such information. It can ultimately build bridges between right and left, LGBTQ and unaffirming, over the matter of 2A support.

[tanman8907]

Originally Posted by splithoof

Why does anyone from any particular group need to be “affirmed” by anyone else, unless they are trying to spotlight some aspect about them that has nothing to do with the activity at hand? When I attend a shooting event, most everyone acts, and for the majority, dress the same. How would I know if someone was gay for instance, other than them bringing it up? And why would they? It’s a shooting event, not something else.

Yes, when you attend an event, most everyone acts and dresses straight. You wouldn't know if someone LGBTQ were there because they wouldn't feel comfortable in a group where everyone acts and dresses differently than them, especially if they find out said people are unaffirming of them (which can easily come up in a group where many likely are unaffirming).

It isn't a "need" inherently to be affirmed, but lack of open affirmation in a sectional group where lack of affirmation is common creates questions in LGBTQ people: am I welcome here? Am I safe here? Can I act like myself here without getting weird looks or judgmental comments? Are these people just simply tolerating how I act, talk, and look but are ultimately uncomfortable with my presence here? Nobody likes to go out of their way to insert themselves into a social group where such things are not present; it is human nature. This is why an affirming space for 2A curious people/supporters is something I would highly value and something for which I think there is a real need. If 2A supporters really want to include LGBTQ people in thier numbers then there needs to be such a space as the Pink Pistols where they can gain their footing without these other social roadblocks present.

[tanman8907]

Originally Posted by ivanimal

We used to March in the S F and L A pride parades with the pink pistols. W always wanted solidarity among all gun owners. They were well organized just a few years ago. I am sorry to hear that they are not relevant anymore.

That is really cool to hear! Yeah, it is a shame and I hope to see them or some similar group take the reigns again soon. I am happy to help out with said organization if I can find others who are willing to help (I can't do it all myself).

[sargentiny]

The support you’re alluding to regarding the LGBTQ community doesn’t substantially exist on CGN. Otherwise there would be a dedicated discussion in the Specialty forums for LGBTQ folks similar to the Ladies or LEOs.

CGN is known amongst the 2A center/left of center communities to be apathetic or dismissive at best. Let’s not get into how people on this section of the internet really feel about the LGBTQ community.

OP, I recommend you reach out to the liberal gun club or one of the other organizations that affiliates with or supports the Pink Pistols to see how they’re doing. I think the LGC California chapter president is based in Southern California… I don’t have anything against the Pink Pistols (TBH, most of the white collar people in the SF Bay Area are more closeted about their 2A stance than their sexuality), but the type of discussion you’re looking for might be more effective elsewhere.


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[JWHuey]

Originally Posted by tanman8907

Okay, for one, this doesn't help or support my original post in any wYounay and is getting way off base at this point. But also, labeling unassuming LGBTQ as self victimizing just simply for having a self-ascribed sexual identity and then attributing illogical causation to your predetermined conclusion that they will not be 2A supporters is flawed thinking and bigoted self-righteousness (I'm not a self-victimized person like they are). Please take that elsewhere; I didn't ask for it here nor is it appropriate on this thread.

You wanna know what happened to them, right?

They/them became woke, and started displaying victim mentality.

Then, they/them "turned to schitt", and self destructed. Just like everything woke does.

That's what happened.

[JWHuey]

Originally Posted by sargentiny

The support you’re alluding to regarding the LGBTQ community doesn’t substantially exist on CGN. Otherwise there would be a dedicated discussion in the Specialty forums for LGBTQ folks similar to the Ladies or LEOs.

CGN is known amongst the 2A center/left of center communities to be apathetic or dismissive at best. Let’s not get into how people on this section of the internet really feel about the LGBTQ community.

OP, I recommend you reach out to the liberal gun club or one of the other organizations that affiliates with or supports the Pink Pistols to see how they’re doing. I think the LGC California chapter president is based in Southern California… I don’t have anything against the Pink Pistols (TBH, most of the white collar people in the SF Bay Area are more closeted about their 2A stance than their sexuality), but the type of discussion you’re looking for might be more effective elsewhere.





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Wanna know why?

BECAUSE WHO YOU SLEEP WITH, AND WHAT "GENDER" YOU IDENTIFY WITH, DOES. NOT. MATTER. Full stop.

To anyone, but you.

We just love our 2A rights, you know, the rights that apply to EVERYONE....

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by tanman8907

I heard of the Pink Pistols group way back when and, when I recently took interest in joining, I found many factors that indicated to me the total decay of the Pink Pistols society:
[…]
It is a shame to me that the Pink Pistol group seems to have fizzled out like this on the national level. Does anyone know what happened to the group and why they died out? I'd love to see someone take an interest in actually organizing the group and getting some actual revenue in there so that it doesn't continue to go extinct in this way. Do they even have a non-profit or corporate registration or is it just sort of a cobbled together idea that existed for a while?

Two items:

1. Firearms groups/programs are not usually interested in “affirming/unaffirming” lifestyle choices. When I go to the range and shoot with/talk to people I don’t know, I don’t run a litmus test on them to determine if they are gay/Catholic/Vegan, etc., and then praise/congratulate them on their label. Their presence affirms the 2A. That’s enough. With that, I accept them as they are. My LGBTQ family members and friends have always sought acceptance and support, never “affirmation”.

2. While you bemoan the “…total decay of the Pink Pistols society”, in 2018, The Pink Pistols merged with Operation Blazing Sword which was founded by Erin Palette the Monday after the terrorist attacks at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Florida. Since it seems important to you, Blazing Sword, since Nov 2016, has held 501c3 tax-deductible charity status.

Blazing Sword’s website is copywritten for 2022 and contains a searchable national list of LGBTQ firearms instructors who I’m sure you will find accepting of you as you are. They may also be able to direct you toward other individuals who can provide you with the affirmation you appear to crave.

Best.

[splithoof]

Originally Posted by tanman8907

Yes, when you attend an event, most everyone acts and dresses straight. You wouldn't know if someone LGBTQ were there because they wouldn't feel comfortable in a group where everyone acts and dresses differently than them, especially if they find out said people are unaffirming of them (which can easily come up in a group where many likely are unaffirming).

Please explain what is meant by “unaffirming”.

At most shooting-type of events (at least the events I attend and have hosted), people usually dress in a manner that befits their activity. As an example: many of the styles of pants are designed to have multiple large pockets (for holding equipment, mags, ammo, etc), various types of shirts/jackets/vests that are designed around the carriage of sidearms; hats that provide extra sun protection, yet allow movement within cramped spaces; footwear (often boots) that give ankle support with heavy-duty soles due to the harsh terrain; most often such described clothing is manufactured in color patterns that are designed to reduce the wearer’s visual presence. All that is typical, and what is easily available to those who don’t make/sew/create their own gear. Some folks simply wear jeans and t-shirts, and that’s OK, but the point is that there is nothing in the above that labels a person as to their lifestyle preferences, because it’s all geared towards the task at hand, which is getting hits on targets, or whatever the scenario calls for; not assigning labels as to gender, etc.
With that said, are LGBTQ people required to dress differently than those who are not? Is dressing differently because of their status looked upon as some type of unwritten obligation within that community? If so, wouldn’t that in of itself be self-discriminatory behavior?

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by splithoof

Please explain what is meant by “unaffirming”.

No parade.

[strakill]

Originally Posted by sargentiny

The support you’re alluding to regarding the LGBTQ community doesn’t substantially exist on CGN. Otherwise there would be a dedicated discussion in the Specialty forums for LGBTQ folks similar to the Ladies or LEOs.

CGN is known amongst the 2A center/left of center communities to be apathetic or dismissive at best. Let’s not get into how people on this section of the internet really feel about the LGBTQ community.

OP, I recommend you reach out to the liberal gun club or one of the other organizations that affiliates with or supports the Pink Pistols to see how they’re doing. I think the LGC California chapter president is based in Southern California… I don’t have anything against the Pink Pistols (TBH, most of the white collar people in the SF Bay Area are more closeted about their 2A stance than their sexuality), but the type of discussion you’re looking for might be more effective elsewhere.


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So what you are saying is we have to take LGBTQRSTUV shoved down our throats to be supportive of 2A?

2A is 2A, who you have sex with has nothing to do with 2A.

The fact of the matter is liberal gun clubs aren't friends of the 2A. They stand opposed to it. It's because you're a liberal that you cannot separate the 2 things. You think everyone belongs in little groups, or as you like to call them "communities", and that is opposed to everything 2A and COTUS is about.

It's you that kills the groups not the other way around. What you call apathy everyone else calls minding their own business. But I don't think you know what the definition of apathy really is. Dismissive, yup, I don't care about your little sub culture. You want to be in a little group and make everything have to revolve around that...enjoy your chains but know that you put them on yourself.

Having said that, since you want to allude to something, stop alluding and say what you think you know.

[sargentiny]

Originally Posted by strakill

Having said that, since you want to allude to something, stop alluding and say what you think you know.

You’re a keyboard warrior and need a Snickers


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[strakill]

Originally Posted by sargentiny

You’re a keyboard warrior and need a Snickers


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Or just admit you are too childish to have this discussion and try to deflect.

You want someone to form an opinion out of ignorance and "feelings" so they don't see reality.

This is a board, minus OT, that is geared towards the 2A and a sub thread about an organization in support of the overall goal and you come here and try to wipe your butt with the members here defaming what you think you know about them.

No need to be a warrior, I call your bluff.

[Foothills]

A few years ago I read some articles. The people quoted in the articles running chapters found that the ranges and 2A groups they met up with really meant it: everyone has a fundamental right to self-defense.

For what it’s worth, a lot of associations became defunct during the pandemic. In this state lots of little churches closed, too.