San Diego Sheriff Candidate mega thread 2022

[Bill_in_SD]

"The League of Women Voters of San Diego hosts a virtual forum of candidates for county sheriff at 7 p.m. on Wednesday, April 13. Candidates who have agreed to participate are Chuck Battle, John Gunderson, Kelly Martinez and Dave Myers."

Sheriff Bill Gore retired in February and his seat is up for election.

Video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrBVZUiG7y8

[GregW948]

Originally Posted by Bill_in_SD

"The League of Women Voters of San Diego hosts a virtual forum of candidates for county sheriff at 7 p.m. on Wednesday, April 13. Candidates who have agreed to participate are Chuck Battle, John Gunderson, Kelly Martinez and Dave Myers."

Sheriff Bill Gore retired in February and his seat is up for election.

Video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrBVZUiG7y8

Just try to get a non virtue signaler .... like if their mission/campaign primer reads like 'looking forward to serve and maintain relationships with people of color and LGBTFGHGASDFJDSAF' you know that person is a fkking horrible hack..

[Bill_in_SD]

Jump to 1:05:55 for the ghost gun / manufacturer liability / gun violence question
1:15:31 Closing remarks

Tells you most everything you need.

[GregW948]

Meh... I mean I liked Battle the most but... all of these candidates seem like careerist.. and there's nothing we can do about it... one of them is getting elected.... its not ever bad money to bet that the female here (she may be Anglo) with the Hispanic last name has already 5 lengths out of the gate...

[IAMSWUTIAMS]

Originally Posted by GregW948

Meh... I mean I liked Battle the most but... all of these candidates seem like careerist.. and there's nothing we can do about it... one of them is getting elected.... its not ever bad money to bet that the female here (she may be Anglo) with the Hispanic last name has already 5 lengths out of the gate...

Of the four, Battle looks the best to me.

[IAMSWUTIAMS]

However, John Hemmerling says this,
The Second Amendment is a guarantor of our freedom as Americans. Individuals have the right to keep and bear arms. Our elected officials must ensure that citizens are able to protect their homes and their families, free from governmental overreach. Sheriffs in California are, by statute, entrusted with the role of approval of personal carry permits (CCW’s). My firm belief is that the “good cause” evaluation process must allow each individual to assess their own need for personal safety or self-defense. I will ensure there is a quick turnaround and direct the Sheriff’s Office to issue concealed carry permits for all persons who complete the required training and pass background investigation.

[IAMSWUTIAMS]

But then Gunderson says this,
"I believe California should be a shall issue CCW state. If you are a law abiding citizen who is able to demonstrate the ability to safely handle and store firearms, you should be allowed to carry a concealed firearm if you choose to do so. It is my opinion that, given the significant rise in acts of random violence in our society, personal protection is valid good cause for the issuance of a CCW permit."

[IAMSWUTIAMS]

And then there is Jonathan Peck who has signed the "Constitutional Sheriff Candidate" pledge. I emailed him to get his stance on CCW.

[IAMSWUTIAMS]

I heard back from Jonathan Peck,
"My position on CCW permits is that it is the Sheriff’s duty to make it as quick and easy as possible for law abiding citizens to obtain one.

Thank you,
Jonathan Peck"
So in my opinion it is either Peck or Gundo. I'm leaning towards Peck.

[BucDan]

Damnit.

SDCGO says Martinez, which is wild. Maybe their bet is she's one of the 3 main names that are pro CCW?

These other guys seem so much better, but smaller name. I see nothing but Matinez boards out in town.

[Sir Toast]

I'd vote for John Hemmerling. He's a former Marine, lawyer and very smart man. I know him personally and he's a stand up guy. Not sure of his stance on guns though. I haven't asked him.

[Growacett]

SDCGO says DOJ controls whether a state is a "shall issue" vs "may issue". From what they say, a Governor can't change this because they will breaking the law. The state law requires good cause.

So running for Governor based on this is a moot point.

I'm ignoring any candidate that says they will change CCW process to "shall issue".

SDCGO has gone through the hoops to get us where we are now. I am confident they know the laws. I never thought i'd be able to get a CCW.

2:00 timestamp. Also gives reason Hemmerling is basura.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DR87V1eyoA

[IAMSWUTIAMS]

Originally Posted by Growacett

SDCGO says DOJ controls whether a state is a "shall issue" vs "may issue". From what they say, a Governor can't change this because they will breaking the law. The state law requires good cause.

So running for Governor based on this is a moot point.
Note this conversation is about SD Sheriff, not Governor
I'm ignoring any candidate that says they will change CCW process to "shall issue".

SDCGO has gone through the hoops to get us where we are now. I am confident they know the laws. I never thought i'd be able to get a CCW.

2:00 timestamp. Also gives reason Hemmerling is basura.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DR87V1eyoA

You may have misinterpreted what you read. California is a "may issue" State, but it varies from County to County as to how strict the criteria is. And it is not determined by the DOJ. Read this Wiki article for helpful information. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California

[Den60]

sandiegocountygunorders.com is back an anti gun liberal to take over for Sheriff Gore. Here is her webpage where she talks about issues: https://kellymartinezforsheriff.com/issues. Here are her endorsements: https://kellymartinezforsheriff.com/endorsements

I contacted SDCGO and told them that I couldn't believe they would support someone like this and here is the message I got:

Thank you for reaching out. We recently posted a blog article explaining why we endorsed Kelly Martinez here: https://sandiegocountygunowners.com/...elly-martinez/

Let me know if you have any questions.

Please click on this link to see their excuse for promoting this gun grabber: https://sandiegocountygunowners.com/...elly-martinez/

I did try to respond to this blog and it won't allow for responses. I am voting for John Hemmerling for San Diego Sheriff. He is pro 2A and anti crime.

Amazing that a group that says it is for gun rights would promote an anti gun sheriff.

[Mtndewking]

SDCGO is primarily focused on getting locals CCW's. Everything else takes a backseat. Locals have seen massive improvements in the system and as a result, SDCGO's endorsement has weight.

[homelessdude]

If what you had sucks, anything that is an improvement seems worthwhile.

[LoadedM333]

Marinez endorsements make me


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[bwiese]

Originally Posted by Den60

sandiegocountygunorders.com is back an anti gun liberal to take over for Sheriff Gore. Here is her webpage where she talks about issues: https://kellymartinezforsheriff.com/issues. Here are her endorsements: https://kellymartinezforsheriff.com/endorsements

I contacted SDCGO and told them that I couldn't believe they would support someone like this and here is the message I got:

Thank you for reaching out. We recently posted a blog article explaining why we endorsed Kelly Martinez here: https://sandiegocountygunowners.com/...elly-martinez/

Let me know if you have any questions.

Please click on this link to see their excuse for promoting this gun grabber: https://sandiegocountygunowners.com/...elly-martinez/

I did try to respond to this blog and it won't allow for responses. I am voting for John Hemmerling for San Diego Sheriff. He is pro 2A and anti crime.

Amazing that a group that says it is for gun rights would promote an anti gun sheriff.

Hemmerling is anti-gun and has been documented as against shall-issue.

GOP does not mean pro-gun and we've been sold out by many 'friends'.

[bwiese]

Originally Posted by Mtndewking

SDCGO is primarily focused on getting locals CCW's. Everything else takes a backseat. Locals have seen massive improvements in the system and as a result, SDCGO's endorsement has weight.

Bingo. And they have been deep into interviewing candidates.

[Den60]

You wouldn't believe the replies I have gotten from someone named Michael Schwartz:

My first response:

And I tried to respond to that post and was not able to. No way in hell that Kelly Martiniz is pro 2nd amendment. Your writer is completely naive to believe that a politician who claims ignorance is being honest. Please allow people to respond to this: https://sandiegocountygunowners.com/why-you-should-vote-for-kelly-martinez/

From the "author:"

I'm the author. I appreciate your feedback and insight, because this is my first day in politics and I haven't a clue what I'm doing.

Anywho, if you would like to chat rather than rant, call me. I'm happy to answer your questions.

Cell: 858.335.9320

-Michael

My response:

Dennis Hamblin <denhamblin@gmail.com>
6:27 PM (1 hour ago)
to Michael

I don't "rant" and I find you accusing me of doing so to be rather insulting to be perfectly honest.

I don't need to chat, I've already made my point and feel no need to converse with you. Fortunately, I am a Calguns member so I have already posted that the SDGO is endorsing a candidate for SDC sheriff who is anti 2A. I have no questions, just pointing out that you are not representing the views of gun owners in this country. Do you even own a firearm?

I just wonder why a, supposedly, pro 2A board would endorse an anti 2A candidate? Again, look at Martinez'a statements, she supports "common sense gun laws" which is the Democratic talking point to limit our 2A rights. Then I look at who has endorsed her and they are all left wing democrats. I voted for John Hemmerling who is anti crime and pro 2A.

And his response:

Another rant....

I will be calling the office tomorrow to make sure they know who is representing them online.

[Mtndewking]

Facepalm dude. Michael Schwartz is the attorney who runs SDCGO. The plaintiff in numerous gun rights cases including Miller v. Becerra

[bwiese]

Originally Posted by Mtndewking

Facepalm dude. Michael Schwartz is the attorney who runs SDCGO. The plaintiff in numerous gun rights cases including Miller v. Becerra

Yep. Some are clueless and think GOP automatially == pro gun. I know him - Mike is not actually an attorney
but uses them. He has also been involved with FPC/CGF/SAF litigation.

Hemmerling is the equivalent of the Santa Clara Sheriff, Laurie Smith. He just didn't get it.

Until courts and/or legilslature change things in CA, the BEST a region
can hope for is that

1) Good cause requirement is satisfied by applicant's 'personal protection' needs;

2) Good Moral Character requirement is satisfied by essentailly same requirements needed to purchase/own
a gun. (Constitutionally, this means 'keep' vs 'bear' are made equivalent!) Minor handwaving might exist for recent
DUIs or misd assault charges etc in last 5 years. Still that's far better than before.

People like 'Den60' are essentially antigun because they are voting with clouded head on other/unrelated issues and
only see 'GOP' in flashing lights.

Interviews with Hemmerling reveal "he doesn't get it" and is far more judgemental - 'conditional issue' - leading to
Laurie Smith-type favors & lack of many people being protected.

SDCGO/Schwartz have good control of the details & also know how to swing their weight around. They even made
some progress with Gore!

[L84CABO]

Originally Posted by Den60

sandiegocountygunorders.com is back an anti gun liberal to take over for Sheriff Gore. Here is her webpage where she talks about issues: https://kellymartinezforsheriff.com/issues. Here are her endorsements: https://kellymartinezforsheriff.com/endorsements

I contacted SDCGO and told them that I couldn't believe they would support someone like this and here is the message I got:

Thank you for reaching out. We recently posted a blog article explaining why we endorsed Kelly Martinez here: https://sandiegocountygunowners.com/...elly-martinez/

Let me know if you have any questions.

Please click on this link to see their excuse for promoting this gun grabber: https://sandiegocountygunowners.com/...elly-martinez/

I did try to respond to this blog and it won't allow for responses. I am voting for John Hemmerling for San Diego Sheriff. He is pro 2A and anti crime.

Amazing that a group that says it is for gun rights would promote an anti gun sheriff.

I can understand the concerns about Martinez and why someone would be reluctant to vote for her.

Hemmerling, on the other hand, may be a lot of things, but he sure as hell doesn't fit my definition of "pro gun." My definition of pro gun is that they must actually be, fully and completely, pro gun. Not just sorta pro gun, or even mostly pro gun. You cannot be in support of any of the current iterations of red flag laws across the country and call yourself pro gun. And you cannot perpetuate the implementation and use of red flag laws in San Diego and then call yourself pro gun.

Below is what SDCGO has to say about him, in part, and the rest of the article is well worth a read.

https://sandiegocountygunowners.com/...g-for-sheriff/

My initial concerns with John Hemmerling were: (1) he wasn’t even a registered Republican until early December, (2) he worked with extreme anti-gun San Diego City Attorney Mara Elliot to aggressively spread to other departments the use of Gun Violence Restraining Orders (GVROs), and (3) he had no political organizations backing him just months from the June primary election. The fact that he wasn’t a longstanding Republican didn’t matter to me, but I knew it did matter to the Republican Party and assumed they would see right through him. The fact that he had no backing and hadn’t laid any groundwork to be a viable candidate was highly concerning. He would need to get his message to 2 million voters by June and was already way behind.

Now you may not like Martinez. You may like Hemmerling more or feel he is the lesser of the evils. And that's fine. But at least portray the guy accurately. You cannot, in all honesty, claim the dude is "pro gun"...because he absolutely isn't. At best he has a favorable outlook on some elements of 2a. But he ain't pro gun. YMMV

[CessnaDriver]

Originally Posted by Mtndewking

SDCGO is primarily focused on getting locals CCW's. Everything else takes a backseat. Locals have seen massive improvements in the system and as a result, SDCGO's endorsement has weight.

Which is why I'm very inclined to follow their lead on this. Frankly and sadly "republican" doesn't mean what it used to here anymore. At this point I want to keep my CCW and for others to keep getting theirs, as many as possible. What has been happening has been working. Nobody can argue against that fact.
Without SDCGO, most of us would not have that permit right now.

[pewanon]

Originally Posted by BucDan

Damnit.

SDCGO says Martinez, which is wild. Maybe their bet is she's one of the 3 main names that are pro CCW?

These other guys seem so much better, but smaller name. I see nothing but Matinez boards out in town.

I heard through the grapevine Martinez is the one, they told her to run as a democrat so she'd get voted for by people that don't know anything.

[bwiese]

Originally Posted by pewanon

I heard through the grapevine Martinez is the one, they told her to run as a democrat so she'd get voted for by people that don't know anything.

It's a "nonpartisan" election.

...she may be lib on other stuff, but she's in no uncertain words supported
"near shall issue" CCW where good cause == personal protection, and
'good moral character' == ability to buy a gun. [If you've had recent DUIs
or misdemeanor assaults that might add color, but other than that if you
are clean in last decade...]

The GOP boy, Hemmerling, a City Asst Attorney, was repeatedly interviewed
and Just Doesn't Get the 2A. He's still vying for the Dept to "have a voice"
in CCW issuance.

[bwiese]

Originally Posted by CessnaDriver

Which is why I'm very inclined to follow their lead on this. Frankly and sadly "republican" doesn't mean what it used to here anymore. At this point I want to keep my CCW and for others to keep getting theirs, as many as possible. What has been happening has been working. Nobody can argue against that fact. Without SDCGO, most of us would not have that permit right now.

Remember that many terming-out Reeps rotate back into County roles.

In the Bay Area, many have influence in ABAG (Assn of Bay Area Govts)
which is an unelected superagency repository for termed-outs of all
parties who make deals. ABAG GOPers often pose as "good governance"
types who give that agency even more power.

[mjv]

Originally Posted by Den60

You wouldn't believe the replies I have gotten from someone named Michael Schwartz:

My first response:

And I tried to respond to that post and was not able to. No way in hell that Kelly Martiniz is pro 2nd amendment. Your writer is completely naive to believe that a politician who claims ignorance is being honest. Please allow people to respond to this: https://sandiegocountygunowners.com/why-you-should-vote-for-kelly-martinez/

From the "author:"



My response:



And his response:




I will be calling the office tomorrow to make sure they know who is representing them online.

Lol. Michael Schwartz is one of the guys that did heavy lifting to get CCW’s approved. If you have one than you should be grateful.

[-hanko]

Originally Posted by Growacett

SDCGO says DOJ controls whether a state is a "shall issue" vs "may issue". From what they say, a Governor can't change this because they will breaking the law. The state law requires good cause.

The DOJ does NOT control "shall" v. "may" issue. The comment about a governor is BS.

California's "good cause" is variable, depending on county leadership.

It's different here in Idaho since our legislature sees the 2nd Amendment as it was written...shall issue and/or constitutional carry for our residents and visitors.

[Solid]

I have seen Jonathon Peck speak at several events and REALLY like what he has to say. Check out one of his interviews here:
https://rumble.com/vzvl66-grass-root...than-peck.html

[Bill_in_SD]

Looking Like Kelly Martinez is going to be the new Sheriff, with nearly double the votes of the next closest candidate.

[GregW948]

Told you guys... that Hispanic last name and being female goes a LONG way

[asymmetricalwarfar3]

Is she anti-CCW or something?

[GregW948]

Originally Posted by asymmetricalwarfar3

Is she anti-CCW or something?

They all play word games and use carnival talk... like 'yes I support the 2nd Amend'

then when they are pressured to actually talk about the CCW program 'they will be available after a set of conditions are met'


then you dummies will think they are actually going to streamline it...

then when you run down to get one, not only will it take 8 months, but you must provide this and that.. and this and that... and write statements... and show this and that... and do this and that...

[CessnaDriver]

Originally Posted by asymmetricalwarfar3

Is she anti-CCW or something?

She was endorsed by SDCGO, the people that got us CCW in the first place.
They claim she meets with them and has meaningful discussions and there has been some improvements in the process.

Take it for what it’s worth I guess. Anyone can lie of
course and once elected back stab.