2022 Los Angeles County Sheriff election mega thread..

[Kerplow]

Originally Posted by n8vrmind

Vote for him "again"?
Are you a lifelong democratic party voter who only bought his first firearm after COVID+BLM *****$how?

What is it about the post you quoted that had you so triggered as to come out with a dickish attack question?

The poster’s statement wasn’t clear enough to suggest that they voted for AV in the first place, but it sounds like you assume it to be true.

Are you trying to have a conversation, or just throw out rude responses like a petulant child?

And to get back on topic, Villanueva has done more to ease the access of CCW than any of his predecessors in well over a decade. If you care about gun rights, why WOULDN’T you vote him into office again?

[tdp113530]

He suddenly opens up CCW permits because he's afraid he going to lose his job. Its a ruse. Doesn't he openly oppose private ownership of detachable magazine rifles? He's a Democrat. That makes untrustworthy.

[n8vrmind]

Originally Posted by Kerplow

What is it about the post you quoted that had you so triggered as to come out with a dickish attack question?

The poster’s statement wasn’t clear enough to suggest that they voted for AV in the first place, but it sounds like you assume it to be true.

Are you trying to have a conversation, or just throw out rude responses like a petulant child?

And to get back on topic, Villanueva has done more to ease the access of CCW than any of his predecessors in well over a decade. If you care about gun rights, why WOULDN’T you vote him into office again?

So Kevin "de" Leon is running to be the next mayor of LA. If Kevin Leon says he is open to considering CCw..will you vote for him?

[enegue]

Originally Posted by n8vrmind

So Kevin "de" Leon is running to be the next mayor of LA. If Kevin Leon says he is open to considering CCw..will you vote for him?

So if it’s between Villanueva and some socialist, you’d vote for some third guy who has no chance and allow the commie to win? Great plan! Really strategic.

[Rob454]

Originally Posted by n8vrmind

He is anti Gascon. The enemy of my enemy is my friend? But I hope we have better candidates for Sheriff..

Sometimes the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy

[Kerplow]

Originally Posted by n8vrmind

So Kevin "de" Leon is running to be the next mayor of LA. If Kevin Leon says he is open to considering CCw..will you vote for him?

Depends on who he’s running against and what their stance on CCW is.

The odds of Leon ever doing anything that’s remotely pro-gun are a snowball’s chance in hell. Much of his political motivations are based on anti 2a policy. It’s not really a fair comparison.

What has Villanueva done that’s anti 2a? Beyond his immigration policies, what left wing leanings or policies of his do you oppose?

[bwiese]

Originally Posted by n8vrmind

Vote for him "again"?
Are you a lifelong democratic party voter who only bought his first firearm after COVID+BLM *****$how?

No he's going by results.

If gun people started voting on electable candidates with good incremental changes on raw gun policy/ good gun votes - and not just R vs D only - the feedback loop would incrementally open up to more favorable gunrights actions.

[Maulerrr]

I don't see a Bianco type having any footing in LA County, so all of AV's competition will likely be further left than he is. That said, I'd probably vote for AV if my options were AV vs Left Wing Authoritarian COVID Lockdown Sheriff.

[n8vrmind]

Originally Posted by Kerplow

Depends on who he’s running against and what their stance on CCW is.



The odds of Leon ever doing anything that’s remotely pro-gun are a snowball’s chance in hell. Much of his political motivations are based on anti 2a policy. It’s not really a fair comparison.



What has Villanueva done that’s anti 2a? Beyond his immigration policies, what left wing leanings or policies of his do you oppose?

Let's start with this ..

He will throw his newly smitten 2A fan bois under the bus as soon as the political climate is right...

https://kmph.com/amp/news/local/la-s...sing-gun-shops

[enegue]

Originally Posted by n8vrmind

Let's start with this ..

He will throw his newly smitten 2A fan bois under the bus as soon as the political climate is right...

https://kmph.com/amp/news/local/la-s...sing-gun-shops

We keep going in circles, but the best part is that everyone who is against voting for Villanueva just keeps ignoring the fact that someone even further to the left could be elected instead and things would be much worse. They just keep repeating the same thing over and over again.

Villanueva is not pro-gun, yeah we know. But you’re supposed to vote for a candidate that (1) has an actual shot at winning and (2) is closest to your own political beliefs and values. Again, if you want to throw your vote away, that’s fine, it’s the same as voting against your own interests.

This is perhaps the ONLY chance we may have in Los Angeles County to show that we can vote as a group and can be a swing vote. If other politicians see that, they may adopt more moderate positions on 2A than they otherwise would. If we turn our back on the only Sheriff to issue permits in LA Co then there definitely will never be another one.

[smogcity]

Originally Posted by 1911-CV

There is lots of discussion in the CCW - LA County specific forum. Members say he has done the most of any Sheriff in recent decades to make CCW possible for folks living in LA. Seems like many pretty regular folks of good character and clean background are making it through the process. Clearly still not a "shall issue" county, but better than it has been in a long, long time.

100% This

[Portal]

Yea we understand most of us here don’t share Villanueva's gun control ideaology but if you think a new person would be better , you’ll be in for a surprise. He’s actually allowing CCWs and sure enough any politician applying for his job won’t do the same. On his lives he’s calling out supervisors and if he loses, it’s a guarantee the next person will be all buddy buddy. Get ready for a worse Los Angeles. I don’t agree with Villanueva on some policies, but recently this past year in a half he’s actually keeping promises. It sucks if the obstacles he’s facing but Los Angeles cannot have someone who sees crime and minuscule. I can guarantee you someone else will not be calling out officials the way he has. He has kept his word on CCW (even if it may or may not be for votes, the number is too insignificant to really make a difference) but if you think other politicians are “promising this and that” will come true, good luck.

Just because of his political party is not a good reason to not re-elect him.

[Portal]

And I’m very Pro 2A. I don’t support any form of gun control, absolutely none. But any one else than This sheriff will not be CCW friendly this re-election.

[Kerplow]

Originally Posted by n8vrmind

Let's start with this ..

He will throw his newly smitten 2A fan bois under the bus as soon as the political climate is right...

https://kmph.com/amp/news/local/la-s...sing-gun-shops

That’s speculation on your part. You can’t deny that he’s done more for CCW in LA county than anyone in distant memory and you’re holding a grudge.

Like has been asked in this thread, who is going to replace him that’s any better? If you think a white knight Republican candidate is going to come along and sweep the electorate off its feet, then you’re probably an ideologue who’ll likely never be happy with the sheriff of LA county.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by tdp113530

He suddenly opens up CCW permits because he's afraid he going to lose his job. Its a ruse. Doesn't he openly oppose private ownership of detachable magazine rifles? He's a Democrat. That makes untrustworthy.

Just so all are working off of the same data: 2020 June 15, the same day SCOTUS declined the previous NYSRPA transportation case, was when AV announced he was going to liberalize issuance. (IMO that was not a coincidence.) We heard of the first CGNer (ever?), getting a LASD CCW on 2020 Oct 01.

I don’t care about AV’s position, personal or professional, on EBRs because he has NO AUTHORITY to do ANYTHING about them. What 2nd A issue he does have authority over (bearing arms), he’s been better than ANY LA sheriff anyone has ever heard of.

IMO we need AV or another pro CCW sheriff to keep issuing for at least 2 more terms (to at least 2030 Dec 31), before there are enough CCWer voters to keep subsequent sheriffs from going back to restrictive issuance.

[cupobutter]

Agree completely with paladin. AV has shortcomings but he’s as pro gun as it’ll get in LA County. And that’s why we’re all here, right?

[GregW948]

Originally Posted by Maulerrr

I don't see a Bianco type having any footing in LA County, so all of AV's competition will likely be further left than he is. That said, I'd probably vote for AV if my options were AV vs Left Wing Authoritarian COVID Lockdown Sheriff.

Does Riv County have a auto self protection CCW profile now? can you just claim self defense?

[GregW948]

Originally Posted by Portal

And I’m very Pro 2A. I don’t support any form of gun control, absolutely none. But any one else than This sheriff will not be CCW friendly this re-election.

It's really a non-factor... lets say some sheriff gets in or this guy opens up CCW's in L.A. County,,,, it will be an elite program... local politicians.. business owners.. people that are hooked up somehow will get them... regular 2A people will not qualify...

[Kerplow]

Originally Posted by GregW948

It's really a non-factor... lets say some sheriff gets in or this guy opens up CCW's in L.A. County,,,, it will be an elite program... local politicians.. business owners.. people that are hooked up somehow will get them... regular 2A people will not qualify...

Not sure what you’re saying. Regular 2A people seem to be qualifying now.

[pacrat]

Originally Posted by Kerplow

Not sure what you’re saying. Regular 2A people seem to be qualifying now.

NOPE. refer back to post #9.

I consider myself to be "a regular 2A person". And No Way In Hell will V issue a CCW to me. Being retired disqualifies you according to his criteria.

I did not vote for him in 2018. Bob Lindsey was a much more 2A candidate.

I will likely vote for him this year. As the lesser of evils.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by pacrat

NOPE. refer back to post #9.

I consider myself to be "a regular 2A person". And No Way In Hell will V issue a CCW to me. Being retired disqualifies you according to his criteria.

Are general contractors who carry expensive tools “regular” people? Are female real estate agents who show homes to strangers? Are fast food franchise managers who make regular cash deposits? Property managers who collect cash rents? Gas station owners? Convenience store owners? Landlords? IT repair guys? ALL these people qualify under AV’s GC standard. If ALL “regular” people qualified LA Co would be Dark Green on the CA CCW GC map. It isn’t. But thousands of “normal” people have been approved and issued.

[Portal]

Almost everyone getting approved are regular individuals. There’s even been approvals for recreational activities, saying being retired is an automatic disqualification holds no truth. Now if you don’t apply, obviously you won’t be approved.

[n8vrmind]

Originally Posted by Kerplow

That’s speculation on your part. You can’t deny that he’s done more for CCW in LA county than anyone in distant memory and you’re holding a grudge.



Like has been asked in this thread, who is going to replace him that’s any better? If you think a white knight Republican candidate is going to come along and sweep the electorate off its feet, then you’re probably an ideologue who’ll likely never be happy with the sheriff of LA county.

Is holding an elected sheriff accountable for his bad decision considered holding a grudge?

Anyhow, if you have gotten a CCW because of AV, then by all means.. reward him with your vote.
Just don't expect other "regular" people on CG to do the same..

[nedro]

Originally Posted by Immortal547

I and about 9 of my friends and family all applied and everyone of us has been issued. Most of our good causes were work related and one was recreational. From the reports of those who were denied it seems their Good cause was either unsubstantiated or merely “self defense”. LA county is getting better but of course it still has a long way to go. Hopefully the SCOTUS case helps.

Self defense is the only reason for CCW.
Who the hell are you? Alex, himself?

[pacrat]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Are general contractors who carry expensive tools “regular” people? Are female real estate agents who show homes to strangers? Are fast food franchise managers who make regular cash deposits? Property managers who collect cash rents? Gas station owners? Convenience store owners? Landlords? IT repair guys? ALL these people qualify under AV’s GC standard. If ALL “regular” people qualified LA Co would be Dark Green on the CA CCW GC map. It isn’t. But thousands of “normal” people have been approved and issued.

Did you refer to post #9, before wasting the time to compile that list?

Because every occupation you listed. By virtue of being an occupation, is just as I stated in post #9 "BUSINESS RELATED".

Now, as to the bolded in your quote above. Yes, thousands have qualified.
Yet in the real world, MILLIONS NEVER WILL!

[Wildcat19]

AV is a political animal and a Democrat. I wouldn't trust him at all. He will change his mind to benefit himself. He is not a true 2A believer.

Having to come up with reasons to exercise a god given right to life is BS.

Don't vote for him.

[Jimi Jah]

When AV is the best you can do in LA County it's not reassuring.

"Best of the worst" comes to mind.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by pacrat

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Did you refer to post #9, before wasting the time to compile that list?

Because every occupation you listed. By virtue of being an occupation, is just as I stated in post #9 "BUSINESS RELATED".

Now, as to the bolded in your quote above. Yes, thousands have qualified.
Yet in the real world, MILLIONS NEVER WILL!

I quoted your post #60 where you said “regular” people wouldn’t get approved. I posted a whole list of “regular” people who have been approved. If you meant to say “unemployed” or “retired” people that’s your mistake not mine.

Regardless, just because AV won’t issue to you or denied you that’s no reason not to vote for him and allow an anti win who will go back to an extremely restrictive policy. Even at Yellow (accepting death threats, business ownership and employment related risks), hundreds of thousands of people can get CCWs making you and everyone else safer, even if you can’t get one.

Plus, it desensitizes the sheriff, the MSM and the public to CCing making it more likely further liberalization will occur.

[Dvrjon]

I’m not seeing restrictions on retirees or unemployed.

5-09/380.10 - Application Requests

Each applicant must demonstrate proof of residence and good character. In addition, good cause for the purposes of Penal Code section 26150 shall exist only if the following prevails:

Sufficient evidence of potential danger to life or of great bodily harm to the applicant, his or her spouse or dependent child, which cannot be adequately dealt with by existing law enforcement resources and which danger cannot be reasonably avoided by alternative measures, and which danger would be significantly mitigated by the applicant's carrying of a concealed firearm.

While I think we would like to see, “Constitutional Carry”, or “Must Issue”, or “Shall Issue”, in this state we live with (for now), “May Issue”. IAs, including LA Sheriff, May Issue to retirees and unemployed.

As I understand it, the Sheriff won’t approve an application which isn’t submitted.

[pacrat]

Originally Posted by Paladin

[1] ... I quoted your post #60 where you said “regular” people wouldn’t get approved.
I posted a whole list of “regular” people who have been approved. [2] .... If you meant to say “unemployed” or “retired” people that’s your mistake not mine.

[3] ... Regardless, just because AV won’t issue to you or denied you that’s no reason not to vote for him and allow an anti win who will go back to an extremely restrictive policy. Even at Yellow (accepting death threats, business ownership and employment related risks), hundreds of thousands of people can get CCWs making you and everyone else safer, even if you can’t get one.

[4] ... Plus, it desensitizes the public to CCing making it more like further liberalization will occur.

[1] ... I SAID NO SUCH THING!!! That sir is a blatant misrepresentation of what I actually did say. And gives the impression that your inaccurate "paraphrase" was intentional. For deflective CYA purposes.

NOPE. refer back to post #9.

I consider myself to be "a regular 2A person". And No Way In Hell will V issue a CCW to me. Being retired disqualifies you according to his criteria.

I did not vote for him in 2018. Bob Lindsey was a much more 2A candidate.

I will likely vote for him this year. As the lesser of evils.

[2] ... No sir, your deflective butt covering obsfucation is obvious. I SAID WHAT I SAID. You FALSELY claiming that what you choose to think I said, is my mistake, is plainly a crock of deflective verbal crap.

And again "obviously" a great many of those MILLIONS HE DISQUALIFIES are "employed". So my failing to make a false claim, is according to you, a fault you attribute to me.

[3] ... Preaching to the choir. And again showing that you didn't actually read post #9. You just made up crap, then attributed your crap to me.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TruOil View Post #7
Read recently that he is approving about 1 in 4 CCW applications. Makes one wonder who gets and who don't get.

MY POST #9
Answer is that he is only approving "business related" applications.

SCEW all those poor people. Like old widow ladies that live in once nice neighborhoods. That are now crime infested crap holes. Thanks to his long time political party's policies.

[4] ... That opinion is yours, and is unsupported by any factual data. Leftists will continue to attack liberal CCW policies, everywhere. Even though all indications show otherwise. Cries of, .... "BLOOD IN THE STREETS" .... "FOR THE CHILDREN" .... "WE MUST DO SOMETHING" .... will remain their mantras.

Going back to "YOUR LIST". I'll use the same example I often use in support of my opinion of all restrictive CCW policies, as well as the old lady in post #9. INCLUDING "V's".

Are fast food franchise managers who make regular cash deposits? Gas station owners? Convenience store owners?

How about a SINGLE MOM, who lives in a high crime area because she can't afford a HIGH RENT DISTRICT. Who works as an 'EMPLOYEE" for any of the above? "V" definitely doesn't think she is deserving of the "privilege" of being allowed to defend herself. When she leaves her job in the middle of the night to go home to her kids.

She barely affords to feed her kids. So she has nothing to offer "V" in return for an exemption. But he will gladly "exempt" her well off boss though.

I appreciate your efforts to expand CCW in this state. I don't appreciate your dishonest misrepresentations, intentionally faulty paraphrasing, deflections, obsfucations, and borderline prevarications, of what you CLAIM I SAID.

[pacrat]

Originally Posted by Dvrjon

I’m not seeing restrictions on retirees or unemployed.
While I think we would like to see, “Constitutional Carry”, or “Must Issue”, or “Shall Issue”, in this state we live with (for now), “May Issue”. IAs, including LA Sheriff, May Issue to retirees and unemployed.

As I understand it, the Sheriff won’t approve an application which isn’t submitted.

The discretionary "May Issue" restrictions don't have to be codified to be real. V has made HIS OWN DISCRETIONARY GC REQUIREMENTS clear. Both in his public appearances. And his proven criteria for issuance.

Peruse the LA COUNTY CCW FORUM. A very few, recreational GC have slipped through, usually accompanied by a lesser "BUSINESS" connection. Other than those few. ALL have been issued for "BUSINESS RELATED" GC.

So yes HE MAY. But clearly WON"T/HASN"T/and DOESN"T INTEND TO, issue to retired or unemployed.

Since his is the only opinion that matters, and his established GC doesn't include retired or unemployed citizens. It would be nothing short of a fools errand as well as an exercise in futility, to waste a citizens, and his deputies time. For retired or unemployed citizens to apply.

[LARES]

I remember someone posted about a friend or a family member on the LA County CCW forum stated she got approved because she often rode the bus and she was a petite woman. She was approved last year around august I believe I could be wrong

[lastinline]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Regardless, just because AV won’t issue to you or denied you that’s no reason not to vote for him and allow an anti win who will go back to an extremely restrictive policy. Even at Yellow (accepting death threats, business ownership and employment related risks), hundreds of thousands of people can get CCWs making you and everyone else safer, even if you can’t get one.

Are you then suggesting that someone who has been denied by the sheriff, still vote for the sheriff anyways?….the statement “……making you and everyone else safer, even if you can’t get one.”…..is a total croc of effing bullsiht, and if that was YOU who had been denied, you would be playing another tune, rather that AV’s skinflute.

[LARES]

Main point is AV liberalized CCWs to a point that no one in LA County thought of.
Of course we all feel that we should have permitless carry but let’s face it that won’t happen we have to take the small victories where we can get them.

[Kerplow]

Originally Posted by n8vrmind

Is holding an elected sheriff accountable for his bad decision considered holding a grudge?

Anyhow, if you have gotten a CCW because of AV, then by all means.. reward him with your vote.
Just don't expect other "regular" people on CG to do the same..

By all means, hold him accountable.

Come next election when its Villanueva vs conservative republican vs establishment Democrat and you throw your vote away on the republican with a snowballs chance in hell, don't be surprised when the establishment democrat wins and CCW gets pulled back and only celebs and politicians are getting them.

I don’t even live in LA county, and god willing, never will. I just don’t understand how calgunners can still be mad at the guy that made CCW more open than it’s been in god knows how long.

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by pacrat

Since his is the only opinion that matters, and his established GC doesn't include retired or unemployed citizens. It would be nothing short of a fools errand as well as an exercise in futility, to waste a citizens, and his deputies time. For retired or unemployed citizens to apply.

His policy doesn’t exclude retired or unemployed…your mind does.

Electrons are free….Spend $30 and apply.

[n8vrmind]

Originally Posted by Kerplow

By all means, hold him accountable.



Come next election when its Villanueva vs conservative republican vs establishment Democrat and you throw your vote away on the republican with a snowballs chance in hell, don't be surprised when the establishment democrat wins and CCW gets pulled back and only celebs and politicians are getting them.



I don’t even live in LA county, and god willing, never will. I just don’t understand how calgunners can still be mad at the guy that made CCW more open than it’s been in god knows how long.

Can only speak for myself, as I am not a single issue voter. Safeguarding 2A is only a part of the fight against libtardism.

AV's other "accomplishments" include releasing inmates at expense of public safety and refusing to cooperate with ICE.

[Kerplow]

Originally Posted by n8vrmind

Can only speak for myself, as I am not a single issue voter. Safeguarding 2A is only a part of the fight against libtardism.

AV's other "accomplishments" include releasing inmates at expense of public safety and refusing to cooperate with ICE.

I’m aware of that, but he’s also been pushing hard on the vagrancy issues, which is good. As for the immigration stuff, this is LA, you’re never gonna get a sheriff voted in with a hard stance on illegals.

[Portal]

We can all agree LA won’t be shall issue by choice, now in present times, there is a chance who increase the number of CCW approvals which can influence who they vote for in future elections. The more approvals, the more people will want to continue to have their CCW. That influences future elections and who could potentially be voted in

[pacrat]

Originally Posted by Dvrjon

His policy doesn’t exclude retired or unemployed…your mind does.

Electrons are free….Spend $30 and apply.

Your response clearly shows that you have not followed the LA Cnty CCW forum.
Or listened in on "V's" Town Hall podcasts.
So it is unlikely that you live in LA Cnty.

So it becomes rather baffling why you urge fellow members to foolishly waste their time, money to apply for permits that "V" himself has excluded them from.