The injections, masks, mandates...are satanic.

[Grouchy Bear]

You don’t need to be familiar with the occult and luciferian to understand what’s happening.

I think about this revelation often, in the light of everything cooties19-

Consider the qualities of Christ, and the way all broken-hearted sinners are offered salvation; We are never coerced or manipulated into connection with God.

Coercion and manipulation are tools used by someone else.

The relationships we have with the corporatocracy, financial systems, and even the state, resemble the relationship a woman might have with a gaslighting, codependent, abusive partner.

What’s happening now isn’t misguided, or clumsy, or done with best intentions. It’s wicked.

Here’s the good news- knowing that all of this is satanic actually offers relief. They can’t cross certain lines; no one will come to break down your door, hold you down, and inject you with poison. Because doing so would undermine Satan’s whole mission. Satan needs you to choose. If your choice is taken away, you win. God wins.

This is all opt in. And be sure- all the tricks will be used to get your consent. Lose your home, lose your insurance, your job, your ability to bank, etc, on and on.

But, as someone who’s forfeited a little this past year, I can tell you it’s way better on this side.

Work on making your way out of Babylon, even with baby steps.

Thanks for reading.

[TrailerparkTrash]

That was a pretty wild opinion, which I disagree. I don’t think vaccines are “satanic.” God created doctors (Luke was one) to heal us and vaccines aid in prevention.

Disagreeing with MANDATES to get vaxed “or else,” is a different argument.

You don’t want a vaccine and you shouldn’t be forced to get one. But being “satanic,” nahhh. I’m not seeing that.

[Grouchy Bear]

Originally Posted by TrailerparkTrash

That was a pretty wild opinion, which I disagree. I don’t think vaccines are “satanic.” God created doctors (Luke was one) to heal us and vaccines aid in prevention.

Disagreeing with MANDATES to get vaxed “or else,” is a different argument.

You don’t want a vaccine and you shouldn’t be forced to get one. But being “satanic,” nahhh. I’m not seeing that.

I didn’t say “vaccines are satanic.” That’s a different argument. I’d be interested in your opinion if you re-read what I wrote.

[Wordupmybrotha]

The bible prophesied the rise of the antichrist who will rule the world. The covid mandates is the step in that direction. It's inevitable. Perhaps it will happen in our lifetime.

[billvau]

Disagree completely. You offer no biblically-based reasoning either.

Sorry.

[Grouchy Bear]

Originally Posted by billvau

Disagree completely. You offer no biblically-based reasoning either.

Can you say more?

What is non-biblical about my reasoning?

Originally Posted by billvau

Sorry.

For what? Or are you just being snarky because my opinion conflicts with your worldview?

[Featureless]

2 Corinthians 4:4

" The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."

Satan rules this planet until Christ returns.

[billvau]

Originally Posted by Grouchy Bear

Can you say more?

What is non-biblical about my reasoning?



For what? Or are you just being snarky because my opinion conflicts with your worldview?

You have to quote the Bible to be biblical in your reasoning. Chapter and verse - in context.

"Sorry" is just a friendly way of ending a disagreement comment.

Reason your position from Scripture (again, in context, not proof texts) and then anyone who knows Scripture (i.e. Christian) can specifically agree / disagree.

See my signature quote from Luther below...

[RAMCLAP]

Originally Posted by Featureless

2 Corinthians 4:4

" The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."

Satan rules this planet until Christ returns.

Christ is in charge of all things including the Earth.

Satan does not rule this planet or anywhere else.
Matthew 28:18
16 But the eleven disciples proceeded to Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had designated. 17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful. 18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “]All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you [f]always, even to the end of the age.”

[Gundiver]

Originally Posted by TrailerparkTrash

That was a pretty wild opinion, which I disagree. I don’t think vaccines are “satanic.” God created doctors (Luke was one) to heal us and vaccines aid in prevention.

Disagreeing with MANDATES to get vaxed “or else,” is a different argument.

You don’t want a vaccine and you shouldn’t be forced to get one. But being “satanic,” nahhh. I’m not seeing that.

Doctors didn’t make these vaccines.

[Kokopelli]

Originally Posted by RAMCLAP

Christ is in charge of all things including the Earth.

Satan does not rule this planet or anywhere else.
Matthew 28:18
16 But the eleven disciples proceeded to Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had designated. 17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful. 18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “]All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you [f]always, even to the end of the age.”

Revelation 11:15 (The Seventh Trumpet) "Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.”"

Until the seventh trumpet in the 7 year Tribulation, Christ is not the ruler of this world. Satan is.

[bruss01]

I am not against vaccines generally and roll up my sleeve willingly when I deem it advisable.

However, I do expect at some point to have to submit a religious exemption for the present Covid vaccines.

[Barang]

the mandate is the problem. by forcing all to take it is a dry run for the coming 666. "most" people are compliant and ready to give up their rights just to make the world "safe."

[RAMCLAP]

Originally Posted by Kokopelli

Revelation 11:15 (The Seventh Trumpet) "Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.”"

Until the seventh trumpet in the 7 year Tribulation, Christ is not the ruler of this world. Satan is.

We cannot have Christ saying the He is and you saying Satan is at the same time. It doesn't work. Not to mention it blasphemous to contradict the Lord. I suspect the problem lies in your interpretaion.

[Kokopelli]

Originally Posted by RAMCLAP

We cannot have Christ saying the He is and you saying Satan is at the same time. It doesn't work. Not to mention it blasphemous to contradict the Lord. I suspect the problem lies in your interpretaion.

What does the Bible say? It is the final authority.

[wpage]

"What is truth"
John18:38

[RAMCLAP]

Originally Posted by Kokopelli

What does the Bible say? It is the final authority.

Exactly. Since this was immediately prior to the Ascension, we can only conclude that Christ is in charge of the Earth and everything else. Ascribing authority to Satan is Satanic.
Matthew 28:18
16 But the eleven disciples proceeded to Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had designated. 17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful. 18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 [e]Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you [f]always, even to the end of the age.”

[billvau]

Replying to multiple above about who's in charge of this "world." Answer: Satan is. Yes, he was defeated at the Cross, but until Christ returns to cast him out, he's in charge.

I won't put all of Matthew 4 here, but at the temptation of Christ, how could Satan have offered Christ the things he did unless they were his to give? The easiest way for Christ to have answered him would've been "They're not yours to give!" But, by not doing so, Christ acknowledged the that the world is currently under Satan's control.

With that said, God is sovereign, and so, Satan can't do anything God wants to stop (he'd probably kill us all if he could). But, even on his short leash, this world is currently his.

Some references here. There are plenty more...

Jn16:11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.
1 Jn5:19 We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.
2 Co4:3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

[RAMCLAP]

Between the Cross and the Ascention Jesus said flatly that He was in charge of all things. If you guys want to dance around that it is your business. The scripture says what the scripture says. Play with that at your own risk.

[Grouchy Bear]

Originally Posted by billvau

Reason your position from Scripture (again, in context, not proof texts) and then anyone who knows Scripture (i.e. Christian) can specifically agree / disagree.

I think people have made an idol of men.

A few weeks ago, I listened to a mother say she “couldn’t wait until the fda approved the vaccine for children” so she could sign her child up.

I see “in fauci we trust” signs on people’s yards.

I meet a stranger almost every day that tells me, “my conscience told me not to do this, but my boss/bill gates/the president/ said I wouldn’t get my pension/I’d lose my business license/I couldn’t shop for food or fancypants anymore” or “I wear a mask, even though I know they don’t do anything other than let me shop” or some iteration of this.

If you can’t see how people have been coerced and manipulated with threats and fear...I don’t think we’re going to reach consensus.

Regarding working for scripture to come to the conclusions I have...

Daniel 3, Exodus 20, Psalm 16, and, yes- Revelation 13...

But I can’t imagine you expect me to reference every instance idolatry is discussed in scripture. If you want me to find scripture that specifically says “don’t be coerced into bull**** injections, and don’t pray to men named Fauci and institutions called the FDA”...admittedly, I won’t be able to.

Again, I see it plainly where I am- people treating worldly powers and principalities like salve and gospel.

So, am I proof-texting?

[billvau]

Originally Posted by Grouchy Bear

I think people have made an idol of men.

A few weeks ago, I listened to a mother say she “couldn’t wait until the fda approved the vaccine for children” so she could sign her child up.

I see “in fauci we trust” signs on people’s yards.

I meet a stranger almost every day that tells me, “my conscience told me not to do this, but my boss/bill gates/the president/ said I wouldn’t get my pension/I’d lose my business license/I couldn’t shop for food or fancypants anymore” or “I wear a mask, even though I know they don’t do anything other than let me shop” or some iteration of this.

If you can’t see how people have been coerced and manipulated with threats and fear...I don’t think we’re going to reach consensus.

Regarding working for scripture to come to the conclusions I have...

Daniel 3, Exodus 20, Psalm 16, and, yes- Revelation 13...

But I can’t imagine you expect me to reference every instance idolatry is discussed in scripture. If you want me to find scripture that specifically says “don’t be coerced into bull**** injections, and don’t pray to men named Fauci and institutions called the FDA”...admittedly, I won’t be able to.

Again, I see it plainly where I am- people treating worldly powers and principalities like salve and gospel.

So, am I proof-texting?

Yes, and not being specific. Old Testament is hard to apply to today's context because it's Israel under a theocracy. We're not.

And, Revelation is prophecy for the future, when there will be different powers allowed/not allowed.

Yes, "...people have been coerced and manipulated with threats and fear." Yes, people have a fear of man even though Scripture commands us not to fear man, but fear God (1 Peter 3:14).

[billvau]

Originally Posted by RAMCLAP

Between the Cross and the Ascention Jesus said flatly that He was in charge of all things. If you guys want to dance around that it is your business. The scripture says what the scripture says. Play with that at your own risk.

Scripture?

Be careful - Often the NT says He has defeated Satan and uses a present tense for a future reality because it is so certain. That was very common in their day because tenses in Greek speak primarily of "Kind of action" where our culture speaks of "time of action."

Even though Satan is presently the "god of this world," he is not only defeated and the time is coming that God will send back to claim what He earned on the Cross, but he is also on a "short leash" - i.e. only going as far as God allows him to go in his dealings with this world.

Look at the verses I posted.

God bless,
Bill

[RAMCLAP]

Look at the verse I posted.

[Kokopelli]

Originally Posted by RAMCLAP

Between the Cross and the Ascention Jesus said flatly that He was in charge of all things. If you guys want to dance around that it is your business. The scripture says what the scripture says. Play with that at your own risk.

Actually, "Between the Cross and the Ascention" Jesus said "all authority" has been given to Him.

Matthew 28:18

And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me."

If Jesus were "in charge of all things", death would cease. We aren't there yet. See:

Revelation 21:4
He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”

The "god of this world" is the enemy of Christ.

2 Corinthians 4:3-5

And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. For what we proclaim is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, with ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake.

[RAMCLAP]

Again, kick at the goads if you please. If you guys wish deny christ His Glory and ascribe it to Satan that is your business. Once again, "ALL AUTHORITY IN HEAVEN AND EARTH HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME". I have yet to find Him to be a liar.

[Kokopelli]

Originally Posted by RAMCLAP

Again, kick at the goads if you please. If you guys wish deny christ His Glory and ascribe it to Satan that is your business. Once again, "ALL AUTHORITY IN HEAVEN AND EARTH HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME". I have yet to find Him to be a liar.

We’re on the same side. I posted that Christ has all authority in heaven and earth. Check. No question about that. But Satan is alive and well on planet earth. He is the god (small g) of this world. Remember in Matthew 4 when Christ was tempted in the wilderness?

8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’”

11 Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

Christ didn’t call the devil a liar. The devil is the god of this world who could give the kingdoms of the world. If he had lied about that, Christ would have called him a liar. Christ knew that the devil had the power to do that.

Satan is still in charge of the world, until Christ returns to lock him in the pit. Jesus Christ has the authority to do just that.

[billvau]

Originally Posted by RAMCLAP

Christ is in charge of all things including the Earth.

Satan does not rule this planet or anywhere else.
Matthew 28:18
16 But the eleven disciples proceeded to Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had designated. 17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful. 18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “]All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you [f]always, even to the end of the age.”

Exousia (authority) refers to the freedom and right to speak and act as one pleases. It doesn't say here the He is acting on that authority 100%. IOW, He is allowing Satan to be "the god of this world" = the whole lies in Satan's power (1 John 5:19). But, Satan can't interfere with the Great Commission (Matthew 28:18-20).

We've still got the Tribulation coming and then Christ's 2nd Coming, Millennium, etc. Then in "the end," Christ will reign until "all rule and all authority and power" are abolished. Then He hands the kingdom back to God the Father.

1 Co15:24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.

This world is only going to get worse until His 2nd Coming (2 Thess 2: 1 Tim 4:1-3). When the restraining Holy Spirit ends that work (2 Thess. 2:7), it's going to be ugly. Fortunately, we'll be raptured away to heaven (1 Thess. 4:13-18).

You're probably not pre-mil, so I look forward to you being surprised when you're raptured!

God bless,

[Supersapper]

Originally Posted by RAMCLAP

We cannot have Christ saying the He is and you saying Satan is at the same time. It doesn't work. Not to mention it blasphemous to contradict the Lord. I suspect the problem lies in your interpretaion.

Ramclamp,

Actually, there is a logical argument that says both may exist simultaneously. Using only the arguments stated previously in this thread, Christ has dominion over all the world. Were it not factually so, He would not be the all powerful Savior of the World and the Son of God. Basically, you would at that point have found something that limits God.

Satan is also the "Ruler of the Air" or of this world. There is much Scripture, some noted here, so stating.

How can this be? God is not the author of confusion, and would not throw His people into such a contradiction. That would violate Scripture. My Pastor once told us that if you find a contradiction, or error in Scripture, then you have to accept one of two possibilities:
--Scripture is wrong, therefore not of God and should be ignored it OR
--Scripture is correct, your understanding of it is in error and you need to seek out what you're missing.

Since I accept the inerrancy of Scripture, then my understanding must be lacking or in error, so here is how I see the "contradiction". Very simply, Jesus is allowing Satan to rule here. Satan only has the dominion that Christ and the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob permit him to have.

Satan is the tempter; permitted to test the people and their faith in God. This was his role. But it comes with limitations. 1 Cor 10:13 demonstrates that there are limits to his abilities, inferring that God is still in control, despite what he's allowed Satan to do.

Without getting into the current STATE of law enforcement, police officers have authorities and powers to do their job, but such powers are limited by laws that govern their actions. Does this nullify police powers? Not at all...they have the authority to do their job, but it's limited. Satan is limited similarly.

[Supersapper]

Originally Posted by Kokopelli

We’re on the same side. I posted that Christ has all authority in heaven and earth. Check. No question about that. But Satan is alive and well on planet earth. He is the god (small g) of this world. Remember in Matthew 4 when Christ was tempted in the wilderness?



Christ didn’t call the devil a liar. The devil is the god of this world who could give the kingdoms of the world. If he had lied about that, Christ would have called him a liar. Christ knew that the devil had the power to do that.

Satan is still in charge of the world, until Christ returns to lock him in the pit. Jesus Christ has the authority to do just that.

Christ DID call the devil a liar. John 8:44

[billvau]

Originally Posted by Supersapper

Christ DID call the devil a liar. John 8:44

Yes, He did. But that doesn't mean he lies 100% of the time. Read Job 1-2. God had a conversation with him. In Matthew 4, Christ responses showed the He agreed Satan could tempt Him with those things. Christ responded to the statements as true.

But, yes, he does lie, is the father of lies, and it is his nature to lie.

[Kokopelli]

Originally Posted by Supersapper

Christ DID call the devil a liar. John 8:44

Of course he did in John 8:4. But not in Matthew 4:9, which is what I was citing.

Apples/oranges

[RAMCLAP]

Originally Posted by billvau

Exousia (authority) refers to the freedom and right to speak and act as one pleases. It doesn't say here the He is acting on that authority 100%. IOW, He is allowing Satan to be "the god of this world" = the whole lies in Satan's power (1 John 5:19). But, Satan can't interfere with the Great Commission (Matthew 28:18-20).

We've still got the Tribulation coming and then Christ's 2nd Coming, Millennium, etc. Then in "the end," Christ will reign until "all rule and all authority and power" are abolished. Then He hands the kingdom back to God the Father.

1 Co15:24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.

This world is only going to get worse until His 2nd Coming (2 Thess 2: 1 Tim 4:1-3). When the restraining Holy Spirit ends that work (2 Thess. 2:7), it's going to be ugly. Fortunately, we'll be raptured away to heaven (1 Thess. 4:13-18).

You're probably not pre-mil, so I look forward to you being surprised when you're raptured!

God bless,

I won't be surprized at all. At the second coming.

[billvau]

Originally Posted by RAMCLAP

I won't be surprized at all. At the second coming.

Ahhhh, a post-trib'er! Of course, that means you think you'll have to go through the tribulation! ouch.

[RAMCLAP]

Originally Posted by billvau

Ahhhh, a post-trib'er! Of course, that means you think you'll have to go through the tribulation! ouch.

Amil.

[theLBC]

the cabal worships lucifer if anything, and not jc.
i suppose you could say satanic.

[billvau]

Originally Posted by RAMCLAP

Amil.

Thanks for the correction! Should've known better. Are you a reconstructionist too?

[RAMCLAP]

No.

[CVShooter]

What a crazy thread.

"Here’s the good news- knowing that all of this is satanic actually offers relief."

And that is because it gives you a simplistic, easy-to-digest, uncomplicated perspective. Want to know how to tell a children's story from an adult story? One has uncomplicated heroes and villains. The other is rich in paradox, complications, heroes doing evil and villains doing good -- a reflection of the real world instead of a fantasy one. I'm no fan of Paul. But his idea that we adults need to put aside childish things seems rather appropriate here.

I say get over yourself, make your choice and deal with the consequences. All this religious postulating you're doing seems more like BS rationalizations rather than anything of merit. Polio, small pox, measles, mumps, etc... A vaccine is just a vaccine. Why politicize it or make it a religious issue?

[bruss01]

Originally Posted by CVShooter

A vaccine is just a vaccine. Why politicize it or make it a religious issue?

I think when it becomes mandatory and affects your ability to buy or sell (your paycheck is for time you sold to your employer, for money, which is necessary to buy the necessities of life), then it BECOMES a de-facto religious issue for a lot of people.

Right now it's only Government workers and contractors... it's soon to be any company with over 100 employees. It's clear the intention is to vaccinate every man, woman and child despite their concerns or objections and to enforce it by making it impossible to live without it unless you grow your own food and own your home outright.

You can't say that isn't pure evil.

[Garand Hunter]

Interesting thread, lots of interaction, and I am staying out of this one. Keep up the interaction Bros ! I see Billvau is still up and active.

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