Ban sales of firearms and ammo online?

[wonkywillie]

Banning the sale of guns and ammo online is one of Joe Biden's "Common Sense Gun Control" goals.

To most non-collectors, this makes perfect sense...why would anyone need to buy guns/ammo online?

What will be the impact on C&R and Antique firearms when this goes into effect and you can only buy from LGS?

I expect prices to spike...

Thoughts/comments?

P.S...I goofed...wrong forum...if I knew how to delete/move it I would...sorry bout that...

[Harry Ono]

Originally Posted by wonkywillie

Banning the sale of guns and ammo online is one of Joe Biden's "Common Sense Gun Control" goals.

To most non-collectors, this makes perfect sense...why would anyone need to buy guns/ammo online?

What will be the impact on C&R and Antique firearms when this goes into effect and you can only buy from LGS?

I expect prices to spike...

Thoughts/comments?

P.S...I goofed...wrong forum...if I knew how to delete/move it I would...sorry bout that...

Well, they are already banned as for Business to Consumer. But there is no talk about banning Business to Business transfers. Nor is there a ban on online advertising. The Democrats are out of touch with Reality!

Oh Look, there is an SKS from Classic Arms. So go to your LGS and pluck down $$$ and they (Business to Business) order the SKS on your behalf from Classic Arms. Gun gets shipped and It Arrives from Classic Arms to your LGS and you do a DROS. A solution chasing a problem that does not exist.

So whats changed ?

[3006]

They are using California as a blue print.

[heidad01]

Originally Posted by 3006

They are using California as a blue print.

Yes.

There is no cure for Stupid. Morons copy each other.

[General]

They want a strong black market, it pays well.

[sigstroker]

Originally Posted by Harry Ono

Well, they are already banned as for Business to Consumer. But there is no talk about banning Business to Business transfers. Nor is there a ban on online advertising. The Democrats are out of touch with Reality!

Oh Look, there is an SKS from Classic Arms. So go to your LGS and pluck down $$$ and they (Business to Business) order the SKS on your behalf from Classic Arms. Gun gets shipped and It Arrives from Classic Arms to your LGS and you do a DROS. A solution chasing a problem that does not exist.

So whats changed ?

Because Biden and friends are idiots and think you can buy "guns over the internet".

[Fishslayer]

Originally Posted by heidad01

Yes.

There is no cure for Stupid. Morons copy each other.

For morons they would seem to be doing a pretty effective job of accomplishing their objectives...

[norcalAF]

Originally Posted by Fishslayer

For morons they would seem to be doing a pretty effective job of accomplishing their objectives...

Exactly, to assume they are morons is folly, they are megalomaniacal statists intent on the subjugation of the majority to further enrich themselves

[Diabolus]

I wish they would just leave us the F alone.

[CenterX]

Originally Posted by Diabolus

I wish they would just leave us the F alone.

I just wish they would leave the USA

[Endless]

This won’t have any effect here. You can still buy online and will for the rest of my life. Not sure why folks living in liberal states keep thinking the United States is coming to an end. Get out from behind enemy lines and you will realize nothing former Vice President Biden says or tries to do will have any effect on some states. They have and will flat out reject anything the left passes. History shows us this has been done before and will happen again. So don’t lose any sleep over it.

[The Gleam]

Originally Posted by Endless

This won’t have any effect here. You can still buy online and will for the rest of my life. Not sure why folks living in liberal states keep thinking the United States is coming to an end. Get out from behind enemy lines and you will realize nothing former Vice President Biden says or tries to do will have any effect on some states. They have and will flat out reject anything the left passes. History shows us this has been done before and will happen again. So don’t lose any sleep over it.

Here you are again prattling on about this "can't touch Alaska" nonsense - but yet Alaska was as equally pandering to GCA-68 and the Clinton ban 1994 - 2004 as any other state, and guarantee you that if it becomes a Fed issue, your FFLs and those in doubt of running afoul whose income is tied to the same, with ATF looking over their shoulder, will most certainly follow suit - just as they did then.

THAT history shows you are wrong, and best to take it seriously, have a good helping of healthy skepticism, and establish preemptive measures before it takes root - rather than to just kick up your arrogant feet and shoo it off as if it were nothing to worry about - because that what-me-worry and apathetic foolish dismissal is EXACTLY how they get it passed.

YOU then find yourself facing an denial one day and lobbing dumbfounding queries of "What do ya mean? When did that happen?"

Now whether one complies in private or not is another story, and plenty here in California won't either; but if FFLs comply, and Wholesalers comply, and manufacturers comply, and couriers like FedEx/UPS/USPS to Alaska comply, and the logistics of online selling and the support for that also comply, just what do you think is going to happen to your resources that don't 'reject' and instead nullify your ability to reject making that choice for you out of default?

You will absolutely be affected there, and you will equally be "behind enemy lines".

When I see someone like yourself repeatedly telling everyone not to worry, nothing to be concerned about, hey, we're safe in Alaska, or Idaho, or Nevada, or Oregon, or Colorado, or Washington - getting the idea here? - I have to wonder about their sensibility and actual commitment to preserve and protect the 2nd Amendment.

That same blowhard attitude 40 years ago, is the very folly that help usher in what California eventually became; as well as several other states that were once no more infringing than your pious sustain of the Alaska mirage.

And that's exactly what they would hope you do - they HOPE you don't lose any sleep over it. In fact, they HOPE you ARE sleeping while they are working.

[smle-man]

A simple "no on line advertising to sell" provision will shut down the national used firearms market and push it back to local gun shops and pawn shops. It would have a negative impact on used firearms prices. No more internet bidding wars for used firearms, just whatever your local shop is willing to offer or whatever you can get at the local gun show.

Just think of life before the internet. Back in the day Shotgun News was the conduit for non local person to person used gun sales via FFLs. It sure would help the USPS, gun shows, and print media at least.

[Mr. Beretta]

Originally Posted by smle-man

Just think of life before the internet. Back in the day Shotgun News was the conduit for non local person to person used gun sales via FFLs. It sure would help the USPS, gun shows, and print media at least.

I sure miss Shotgun News. Use to buy it every other week at Paras News on north 30th street. Ken & Ann were the best! Finally subscribed and had it delivered to the casa.

[AregularGuy]

Originally Posted by General

They want a strong black market, it pays well.

Hey, people want what they want.

Originally Posted by sigstroker

Because Biden and friends are idiots and think you can buy "guns over the internet".

This. It's "the Big Lie" about guns.

[Dan_Eastvale]

Originally Posted by Endless

This won’t have any effect here. You can still buy online and will for the rest of my life. Not sure why folks living in liberal states keep thinking the United States is
coming to an end. Get out from behind enemy lines and you will realize nothing former Vice President Biden says or tries to do will have any effect on some states. They have and will flat out reject anything the left passes. History shows us this has been done before and will happen again. So don’t lose any sleep over it.

Alaska is trumped by federal law. It will follow the law just like here in Utah and every other red state.

[M1NM]

They will sell this without telling the truth. Yes you can buy a gun online but it must be delivered by an FFL with a background check. They will leave that out when they do the polls to show 90% of the snowflakes that didn't hang up on them back such a ban.

[200Apples]

Originally Posted by Endless

This won’t have any effect here. You can still buy online and will for the rest of my life. Not sure why folks living in liberal states keep thinking the United States is coming to an end.

Just like those in other states that rail against Californians moving to "their" states, you are just another Californian who has moved away. We get it, and, yes, your following statement regarding "perspective" is true.

Get out from behind enemy lines and you will realize nothing former Vice President Biden says or tries to do will have any effect on some states. They have and will flat out reject anything the left passes. History shows us this has been done before and will happen again. So don’t lose any sleep over it.

President Trump in his upcoming Second Term can and will fix some of the oncoming damage to the country with Biden at the helm, yes, but you continue! to talk down your nose to the rest of us, and that, my friend, is no bueno. Lighten up, Francis. It doesn't look good on you.

[BOBGBA]

Originally Posted by The Gleam

Here you are again prattling on about this "can't touch Alaska" nonsense...

Agree 100%. Time to add him to the ignore list, just so I don't have to read his fairy tales.

[five.five-six]

Shrimp boy agrees.

Originally Posted by General

They want a strong black market, it pays well.

[003]

When the left talks about "on-line" sales, they are intentionally confusing direct to consumer purchases vs legally receiving through an FFL. A ploy to make middle america that there is an issue of criminals getting guns.

Just like the gun show loophole, a way to get folks emotionally involved to support more restrictive gun control. Keep in mind no ones needs a "30 round clip" and an automatic rifle to hunt deer.

[IVC]

Originally Posted by Dan_Eastvale

Alaska is trumped by federal law. It will follow the law just like here in Utah and every other red state.

Just like pot legalization is trumped by federal law or immigration policy is a federal law, yet the non-compliance is at such a level that even semi-smart people in CA believe that we have "legalized pot."

[IVC]

Originally Posted by wonkywillie

Banning the sale of guns and ammo online is one of Joe Biden's "Common Sense Gun Control" goals.

Easier said than done. He can't do it with an executive order and the legal landscape is 180 different from the situation in '94.

Expect any such attempt not only to never get to a vote, but even if it did, it would get an immediate preliminary injunction in a friendly court. A national regulation of that sort could be challenged in any federal district court, so we would go to courts that are in states that never had to see a gun control case. No different than when various NYC/CA courts ruled against Trump while the cases worked their way up.

[usr1987]

Originally Posted by Harry Ono

Well, they are already banned as for Business to Consumer. But there is no talk about banning Business to Business transfers. Nor is there a ban on online advertising. The Democrats are out of touch with Reality!

Oh Look, there is an SKS from Classic Arms. So go to your LGS and pluck down $$$ and they (Business to Business) order the SKS on your behalf from Classic Arms. Gun gets shipped and It Arrives from Classic Arms to your LGS and you do a DROS. A solution chasing a problem that does not exist.

So whats changed ?

The never gonna happen brigade is here... watch out...

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by Endless

This won’t have any effect here. You can still buy online and will for the rest of my life. Not sure why folks living in liberal states keep thinking the United States is coming to an end. Get out from behind enemy lines and you will realize nothing former Vice President Biden says or tries to do will have any effect on some states. They have and will flat out reject anything the left passes. History shows us this has been done before and will happen again. So don’t lose any sleep over it.

1. If FFLs refuse to do background checks, their license gets pulled.
2. If “assault weapons and high-capacity” mags are federally banned, FFLs can’t sell them, but federal LEO can enforce.
3. If gun manufacturers are allowed to be sued for producing their product, the industry will die.

Statement by the President Three Years After the Parkland Shooting
FEBRUARY 14, 2021 • STATEMENTS AND RELEASES

This Administration will not wait for the next mass shooting to heed that call. We will take action to end our epidemic of gun violence and make our schools and communities safer. Today, I am calling on Congress to enact commonsense gun law reforms, including requiring background checks on all gun sales, banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, and eliminating immunity for gun manufacturers who knowingly put weapons of war on our streets. We owe it to all those we’ve lost and to all those left behind to grieve to make a change. The time to act is now.

Of course that will require the House and the Senate to approve the legislation by majority vote, and then Biden will have to agree to sign it.

Of course, that will never happen because ALASKA’s Senator, Lisa Murkowski will fight against it, and Dems will respect her input since she voted to find Trump guilty.

Yeah, Alaska’s an impenetrable bastion of freedom.

[broadside]

People will just start an offshore website for advertising things or go underground.

[smittty]

Originally Posted by broadside

People will just start an offshore website for advertising things or go underground.

There is no underground today. Google, apple, cell phone, your bank, your credit cards, etc., are all sharing data with the government.

Even though we didn't have long gun registration until 2014 every long gun you bought was logged in the dealers record of sale book and all those books get turned in eventually.

No boating accidents are going to hide what you bought.

C'mon man it's for the greater good!

[splithoof]

Originally Posted by smittty

There is no underground today. Google, apple, cell phone, your bank, your credit cards, etc., are all sharing data with the government.

Even though we didn't have long gun registration until 2014 every long gun you bought was logged in the dealers record of sale book and all those books get turned in eventually.

No boating accidents are going to hide what you bought.

C'mon man it's for the greater good!

I think you assume to much about how some transact business, and how some acquire items through non-traditional channels.

[HotelCommiefornia]

Originally Posted by wonkywillie

Banning the sale of guns and ammo online is one of Joe Biden's "Common Sense Gun Control" goals.

Sleepy/Creepy/Guy like touching kids "Joe" has NO common sense.

[-hanko]

Originally Posted by The Gleam

...
That same blowhard attitude 40 years ago, is the very folly that help usher in what California eventually became; as well as several other states that were once no more infringing than your pious sustain of the Alaska mirage.

And that's exactly what they would hope you do - they HOPE you don't lose any sleep over it. In fact, they HOPE you ARE sleeping while they are working.

What happened starting around 40 years ago continues to be the status quo...

Notwithstanding the passing of more restrictive laws in CA as time passes, it seems as always that uniting California gun owners is not even close to a viable possibility.

As to sleeping, California gun owners continue to snore.

One good thing is that less than 9% registered their so called "assault" weapons in the last two mandatory registrations. That's definitely good news.

[prob]

Originally Posted by The Gleam

Here you are again prattling on about this "can't touch Alaska" nonsense - but yet Alaska was as equally pandering to GCA-68 and the Clinton ban 1994 - 2004 as any other state, and guarantee you that if it becomes a Fed issue, your FFLs and those in doubt of running afoul whose income is tied to the same, with ATF looking over their shoulder, will most certainly follow suit - just as they did then.

THAT history shows you are wrong, and best to take it seriously, have a good helping of healthy skepticism, and establish preemptive measures before it takes root - rather than to just kick up your arrogant feet and shoo it off as if it were nothing to worry about - because that what-me-worry and apathetic foolish dismissal is EXACTLY how they get it passed.

YOU then find yourself facing an denial one day and lobbing dumbfounding queries of "What do ya mean? When did that happen?"

Now whether one complies in private or not is another story, and plenty here in California won't either; but if FFLs comply, and Wholesalers comply, and manufacturers comply, and couriers like FedEx/UPS/USPS to Alaska comply, and the logistics of online selling and the support for that also comply, just what do you think is going to happen to your resources that don't 'reject' and instead nullify your ability to reject making that choice for you out of default?

You will absolutely be affected there, and you will equally be "behind enemy lines".

When I see someone like yourself repeatedly telling everyone not to worry, nothing to be concerned about, hey, we're safe in Alaska, or Idaho, or Nevada, or Oregon, or Colorado, or Washington - getting the idea here? - I have to wonder about their sensibility and actual commitment to preserve and protect the 2nd Amendment.

That same blowhard attitude 40 years ago, is the very folly that help usher in what California eventually became; as well as several other states that were once no more infringing than your pious sustain of the Alaska mirage.

And that's exactly what they would hope you do - they HOPE you don't lose any sleep over it. In fact, they HOPE you ARE sleeping while they are working.

Originally Posted by Dvrjon

1. If FFLs refuse to do background checks, their license gets pulled.
2. If “assault weapons and high-capacity” mags are federally banned, FFLs can’t sell them, but federal LEO can enforce.
3. If gun manufacturers are allowed to be sued for producing their product, the industry will die.

Statement by the President Three Years After the Parkland Shooting
FEBRUARY 14, 2021 • STATEMENTS AND RELEASES

Of course that will require the House and the Senate to approve the legislation by majority vote, and then Biden will have to agree to sign it.

Of course, that will never happen because ALASKA’s Senator, Lisa Murkowski will fight against it, and Dems will respect her input since she voted to find Trump guilty.

Yeah, Alaska’s an impenetrable bastion of freedom.

Thanks for posting these. Saved me the trouble.

[Czechsix]

Originally Posted by Endless

This won’t have any effect here. You can still buy online and will for the rest of my life. Not sure why folks living in liberal states keep thinking the United States is coming to an end. Get out from behind enemy lines and you will realize nothing former Vice President Biden says or tries to do will have any effect on some states. They have and will flat out reject anything the left passes. History shows us this has been done before and will happen again. So don’t lose any sleep over it.

You can buy ammo online and get it delivered by UPS? Have you got a secret primer source that delivers here?

Or what forwarder do you use?

Because as another Alaska resident, there's no way in hell I can get ammo I buy online from the lower 48 delivered here, not without going through a forwarder for a premium.

As far as not having any effect, get back to me in a year and we'll talk about what's happened to development in ANWR...or hasn't happened. Hell, folks are already getting canned from the slope.

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by Czechsix

You can buy ammo online and get it delivered by UPS? Have you got a secret primer source that delivers here?

Or what forwarder do you use?

Because as another Alaska resident, there's no way in hell I can get ammo I buy online from the lower 48 delivered here, not without going through a forwarder for a premium.

As far as not having any effect, get back to me in a year and we'll talk about what's happened to development in ANWR...or hasn't happened. Hell, folks are already getting canned from the slope.

There’s a reason his screen name is “Endless”.

[sigstroker]

Originally Posted by Dan_Eastvale

Alaska is trumped by federal law. It will follow the law just like here in Utah and every other red state.

Alaska is also the state that keeps electing Murkowski.