Vudoo or Rim X?

[bug_eyedmonster]

I've been getting bored with the Ruger Precision Rimfire and was looking at possibly building a RimX when they are released or taking the plunge into a Vudoo barreled action. What's your take on them? Pros/cons for both (without stating the obvious costs)? This would most likely just be shot as a plinker and used possibly for ground squirrels and similar.

Jerry

[jimmykan]

RimX is new to me, looks good!

Subscribing to this thread for others' input.

I also have a Ruger Rimfire Precision, but have no 700-pattern 22LR.

[N1831]

following. This is what I'm worried about as I'm considering a Ruger Precision rimfire. I get bored with things quick and will want to mod/upgrade. Looking at CZ, Vudoo

[EL GRIEGO]

Originally Posted by bug_eyedmonster

I've been getting bored with the Ruger Precision Rimfire and was looking at possibly building a RimX when they are released or taking the plunge into a Vudoo barreled action. What's your take on them? Pros/cons for both (without stating the obvious costs)? This would most likely just be shot as a plinker and used possibly for ground squirrels and similar.

Jerry

That's the $1300 question. Vudoo has proven itself. I have no reason to believe that Rimx won't be on par.

[EL GRIEGO]

Originally Posted by N1831

following. This is what I'm worried about as I'm considering a Ruger Precision rimfire. I get bored with things quick and will want to mod/upgrade. Looking at CZ, Vudoo

The CZ Manner's Precision Trainer is the next commonsense step up from the RPR. They're just under $1000. A similarly stocked Vudoo is more than double that.

I'm at the point where it is rimx or vudoo. It and the vudoo are identically priced.

[Californio]

RimX does not come in a barreled action, you have to use a VAR to setup the barrel for you, Vudoo can be bought with a barreled action. That being said the RimX that TS Customs built for Orkin has 5,000 round through it and is sweet.

I am watching the TS Customs and other RimX builds, want to see the ease of going between .22LR and .17HMR, if that works out RimX for me but it won't be cheap.

[jimmykan]

Originally Posted by Californio

RimX does not come in a barreled action, you have to use a VAR to setup the barrel for you, Vudoo can be bought with a barreled action. That being said the RimX that TS Customs built for Orkin has 5,000 round through it and is sweet.

I am watching the TS Customs and other RimX builds, want to see the ease of going between .22LR and .17HMR, if that works out RimX for me but it won't be cheap.

What is a "VAR"?

[EL GRIEGO]

Originally Posted by jimmykan

What is a "VAR"?

Value Added Reseller

There are a few out there. For barreled actions, Altus is a good one. For the CZ rimfires, 419 is good one. Believe it or not even Hill Country Rifles does a value add on the Ruger Precision and Precision Rimfire.

http://https://www.altusshooting.com...rreled-actions

[bug_eyedmonster]

The RimX seems to be doing well with the pre-fits, and yes, it seems like the Vudoo has less options. I thought about a CZ, but have not been a fan of the quality overall, especially for the price.


Jerry

[ocabj]

I have a Vudoo. Simply ordered a barrelled action (20" Bartlein MTU) and built it from there.



I looked at the RIMX at SHOT. It has a lot of interesting features. People are attracted to the interchangeable bolt heads and non-protruding fixed extractor to allow for untimed barrel swaps.

When it comes down to it, I don't see benefits of the RIMX for me. I don't plan on ever changing to different cartridges in the same gun, and if I did want to shoot 17HMR, I would just build another rifle.

Quick barrel changes are nice, but only from a turnaround standpoint and not from a cost savings. A high end prefit will be equivalent to the cost of a shouldered barrel.

Anyway, I don't think you can go wrong either way in terms of getting a rifle that will shoot.

Note: The RIMX is already out. You just can't order direct from RIMX. You have to go through a dealer.

[Mesa Defense]

Originally Posted by ocabj

I have a Vudoo. Simply ordered a barrelled action (20" Bartlein MTU) and built it from there.



I looked at the RIMX at SHOT. It has a lot of interesting features. People are attracted to the interchangeable bolt heads and non-protruding fixed extractor to allow for untimed barrel swaps.

When it comes down to it, I don't see benefits of the RIMX for me. I don't plan on ever changing to different cartridges in the same gun, and if I did want to shoot 17HMR, I would just build another rifle.

Quick barrel changes are nice, but only from a turnaround standpoint and not from a cost savings. A high end prefit will be equivalent to the cost of a shouldered barrel.

Anyway, I don't think you can go wrong either way in terms of getting a rifle that will shoot.

Note: The RIMX is already out. You just can't order direct from RIMX. You have to go through a dealer.

Who makes the black thing under the rear of your MPA butt stock?

[Californio]

Originally Posted by jimmykan

What is a "VAR"?

Value Added Reseller

TS Customs buys the actions and then sets up the barrel, with their own chamber.

https://tscustom.com

TS Customs worked with Primal Rights (Orkan) to make a turnkey product.

This solution shoots lights out with RWS R50 ammo.

Keystone Accuracy is using a chamber by Padom for pre-fits and barreled actions.

https://keystoneaccuracy.com/sales/

Vudoo has turnkey barreled actions direct or from dealers, their chamber likes Lapua X ammo.

RimX has a floating head so you can use .17HR or .22WSM in the same action,

which I like, but it is vaporware at this point.

Its all Dynamic, if RimX creates competition we may see great things from both.

Right now Big Horn makes actions, centerfire and rimfire, you need a VAR, Vudoo makes rimfire only solutions but you are constrained by their solution and what they see as the market.

[ocabj]

Originally Posted by Mesa Defense

Who makes the black thing under the rear of your MPA butt stock?

The bag rider? MPA.

[Mesa Defense]

^^^*Yep, thanks ! ^^*

[NorCalTodd]

Every single Vudoo I’ve ever encountered shoots light out. Period.

I can’t say the same for other manufacturer’s offerings.

Here’s mine.

[bug_eyedmonster]

Originally Posted by ocabj

I have a Vudoo. Simply ordered a barrelled action (20" Bartlein MTU) and built it from there.



I looked at the RIMX at SHOT. It has a lot of interesting features. People are attracted to the interchangeable bolt heads and non-protruding fixed extractor to allow for untimed barrel swaps.

When it comes down to it, I don't see benefits of the RIMX for me. I don't plan on ever changing to different cartridges in the same gun, and if I did want to shoot 17HMR, I would just build another rifle.

Quick barrel changes are nice, but only from a turnaround standpoint and not from a cost savings. A high end prefit will be equivalent to the cost of a shouldered barrel.

Anyway, I don't think you can go wrong either way in terms of getting a rifle that will shoot.

Note: The RIMX is already out. You just can't order direct from RIMX. You have to go through a dealer.

Yes, I've been watching the threads on SH regarding their vendors and the reviews of the RimX. While I am totally digging their performance, I'm a bit reluctant to pull the trigger. I have also not been seeing the flood of Vudoo barreled actions flooding the used market...

Originally Posted by Californio

Value Added Reseller

TS Customs buys the actions and then sets up the barrel, with their own chamber.

https://tscustom.com

TS Customs worked with Primal Rights (Orkan) to make a turnkey product.

This solution shoots lights out with RWS R50 ammo.

Keystone Accuracy is using a chamber by Padom for pre-fits and barreled actions.

https://keystoneaccuracy.com/sales/

Vudoo has turnkey barreled actions direct or from dealers, their chamber likes Lapua X ammo.

RimX has a floating head so you can use .17HR or .22WSM in the same action,

which I like, but it is vaporware at this point.

Its all Dynamic, if RimX creates competition we may see great things from both.

Right now Big Horn makes actions, centerfire and rimfire, you need a VAR, Vudoo makes rimfire only solutions but you are constrained by their solution and what they see as the market.

I think Altus has been selling them, or at least getting people on a wait list. as well.

https://www.altusshooting.com/produc...rimfire-action

Thank you all for your input. I'm not sure if it's the excitement of a shiny new toy that's getting shooters to say their Vudoos are collecting dust, but it seems to be a common statement coming from those reviewing. Maybe that's just the nature of those that got the pre-release actions, I dunno.

[ocabj]

Originally Posted by bug_eyedmonster

Thank you all for your input. I'm not sure if it's the excitement of a shiny new toy that's getting shooters to say their Vudoos are collecting dust, but it seems to be a common statement coming from those reviewing. Maybe that's just the nature of those that got the pre-release actions, I dunno.

I can't imagine anyone who bought a Vudoo buying a RIMX and saying the RIMX is better. As far as someone getting a RIMX and shooting it more, it's probably true in the sense you get a new rifle and are going to shoot it constantly.

Then again, I haven't bought and built a RIMX. Before I get any new precision rifle, I have to save up for the optic first and spending $2500+ on a new optic adds up.

[bug_eyedmonster]

Originally Posted by ocabj

I can't imagine anyone who bought a Vudoo buying a RIMX and saying the RIMX is better. As far as someone getting a RIMX and shooting it more, it's probably true in the sense you get a new rifle and are going to shoot it constantly.

Then again, I haven't bought and built a RIMX. Before I get any new precision rifle, I have to save up for the optic first and spending $2500+ on a new optic adds up.

Padom over at SH has been raving about it, as has Orkan in his review so far. I believe Orkan has mentioned a couple of times that his Vudoo has been collecting dust since the build, but that might just be due to the amount of testing he's done on the RimX. While I am in the same boat, it seems that optics are a never-ending bucket to save for, but I'd be quite content putting a 3-15 on my future rimfire build and calling it a day. Not to say they are significantly cheaper, but the dent is slightly smaller on the bank account. Let's not forget about the chassis/stock for the rifle, unless they are ordered with the action or barreled action as well.

Jerry

[Californio]

They are all MARKETING, its up to us so determine what fits our perceived idea of use and pocket books. Never thought I would see a casual .22LR at such a high price, I would be happy with either but the fantasy of one expensive piece of glass and several calipers is intriguing I am watching and drooling like a kid in a candy store.

Originally Posted by bug_eyedmonster

Padom over at SH has been raving about it, as has Orkan in his review so far. I believe Orkan has mentioned a couple of times that his Vudoo has been collecting dust since the build, but that might just be due to the amount of testing he's done on the RimX. While I am in the same boat, it seems that optics are a never-ending bucket to save for, but I'd be quite content putting a 3-15 on my future rimfire build and calling it a day. Not to say they are significantly cheaper, but the dent is slightly smaller on the bank account. Let's not forget about the chassis/stock for the rifle, unless they are ordered with the action or barreled action as well.

Jerry

[SDCarpenter]

A vudoo is tried and tried to shoot. With rim x ammo, Everytime.

[bug_eyedmonster]

As an update, I dros-ed my Rim-X action today. So far, I have a Jewell trigger, and two barrels. I specifically got the 20" carbon wrapped Proof, and ordered a Bartlein 22" Heavy Palma. I'm not 100% sure which stock/chassis to run this in, but I have a few options in the works. I just wanted to thank everyone for their input and wanted to give a quick update.

[jimmykan]

Originally Posted by bug_eyedmonster

As an update, I dros-ed my Rim-X action today. So far, I have a Jewell trigger, and two barrels. I specifically got the 20" carbon wrapped Proof, and ordered a Bartlein 22" Heavy Palma. I'm not 100% sure which stock/chassis to run this in, but I have a few options in the works. I just wanted to thank everyone for their input and wanted to give a quick update.

Congrats!

Any pictures yet?

[bug_eyedmonster]

Originally Posted by jimmykan

Congrats!

Any pictures yet?

Best I can do for now sir.

https://imgur.com/a/zBAjC8z

The test target is from the Bartlein barrel from Bison Tactical.

I can't wait to get it back together, but waiting for hand to heal up after surgery (from this past Wed).

[jimmykan]

Originally Posted by bug_eyedmonster

Best I can do for now sir.

https://imgur.com/a/zBAjC8z

The test target is from the Bartlein barrel from Bison Tactical.

I can't wait to get it back together, but waiting for hand to heal up after surgery (from this past Wed).

Nice test group. Are you going to feed it Midas rounds then?

See that's my main mental obstacle to buying one of these top-tier 22LR trainers. If I'm only willing to shoot CCI SV, do I even deserve a RimX or Vudoo?

[bug_eyedmonster]

Originally Posted by jimmykan

Nice test group. Are you going to feed it Midas rounds then?

See that's my main mental obstacle to buying one of these top-tier 22LR trainers. If I'm only willing to shoot CCI SV, do I even deserve a RimX or Vudoo?

I have some Center X as well as some Eley Match ammo to test, as well as plenty CCI. The two different barrels are also to test the CE CuRX rounds as well to appease CA hunting laws. The copper offerings are otherwise **** from what I've experienced.

[LynnJr]

Originally Posted by jimmykan

Nice test group. Are you going to feed it Midas rounds then?

See that's my main mental obstacle to buying one of these top-tier 22LR trainers. If I'm only willing to shoot CCI SV, do I even deserve a RimX or Vudoo?

The key to rimfire accuracy besides a great barrel is the chamber.
The reason the semi-autos shoot very well and not great is you can't get the force required to close the bolt properly as with a bolt action chamber at 0.043.
For a semi auto a Bentz chamber is about as good as it gets.
That said if your only going to shoot pinker ammo buying a Diorio turbo or a Bleiker or similar isn't going to get you ARA winning accuracy.
A good barrel with a good chamber and pinker ammo is still a very accurate setup just not competitive accurate.

[Peahi2]

I hope to get a Vudoo someday...stock/chassis - not sure of which one. and I'll need a lot of Lapua Center-X.

[kev301]

If you get a vudoo, send it to the Lapua testing center in Mesa. After the testing you can puchase a case of the best lot of Lapua center x for your rifle. You can have them test on center x and Midas plus

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Originally Posted by Peahi2

I hope to get a Vudoo someday...stock/chassis - not sure of which one. and I'll need a lot of Lapua Center-X.

[thegiff]

I have a Vudoo. Couple of my buddies have Vudoos. For instance the NRL-22 match director I shoot with has one, I'm the centerfire match director. They all shoot great. Sometimes feed is finicky, these have been traced to loose magazine wells. The magazine well needs to be a tight fit to the magazine.

I've seen 2 RimX's, one competitor has one, he has had 2 extractors break on his with some misfires and blown extractors for some reason, don't know why just yet. Then one of the RO's who is also a professional gunsmith just got his and it shoots great, feeds perfectly, and so far has had no issues.

So the competitor with issues probably needs a smith to take a look at it, I don't have a clue what is wrong and I'm not going to guess.

Mine works great in a chassis, the fit of the mag is tighter than in my Manners stock. So in my Manners, which has a mini-chassis, the fit is looser so I get occasional misfeeds. If I put some tape on the magwell or the mags, then they feed fine.

I'm using lot-tested Center-X for my Anschutz, they seem to shoot the same in the Vudoo best I can tell. The barrels are nearly identical in length though, at about 20 inches.

[acourvil]

Originally Posted by thegiff

I've seen 2 RimX's, one competitor has one, he has had 2 extractors break on his with some misfires and blown extractors for some reason, don't know why just yet. Then one of the RO's who is also a professional gunsmith just got his and it shoots great, feeds perfectly, and so far has had no issues.

The earliest RimX actions had extractors that would chip easier than they should, but they changed the material and anything after the first year of production or so should be fine. Misfires together with broken extractors sounds like something is not set up right.

One minor advantage of the RimX is that magazines height can be adjusted; the magazine catch is adjustable. I've heard stories of problems from bad feeds from magazine fit for both Vudoo and RimX, not sure if either is better than the other.

IMO, the main advantage of the RimX is that you can get pre-fit barrels (and also swap bolt heads to change rimfire caliber). Vudoo has more time in the market, more owners and probably has refined it's design a bit more.

[bug_eyedmonster]

Originally Posted by kev301

If you get a vudoo, send it to the Lapua testing center in Mesa. After the testing you can puchase a case of the best lot of Lapua center x for your rifle. You can have them test on center x and Midas plus

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What do they charge for the testing?

[thegiff]

Some nominal charge for testing, that is waived if you buy a case. I forget, maybe $50 or so. It's on their website. I bought 2 cases (10,000 rounds). Unfortunately, when I sent my Anschutz, my stock got broken in the process. I had everything documented, so I'm probably one of the very few that got refunded for my broken stock, about $1300. Took several months.

I just checked their website, price isn't listed and you can only buy 1 case every 4 months now. And they are backlogged several months.

[bug_eyedmonster]

Originally Posted by thegiff

Some nominal charge for testing, that is waived if you buy a case. I forget, maybe $50 or so. It's on their website. I bought 2 cases (10,000 rounds). Unfortunately, when I sent my Anschutz, my stock got broken in the process. I had everything documented, so I'm probably one of the very few that got refunded for my broken stock, about $1300. Took several months.

I just checked their website, price isn't listed and you can only buy 1 case every 4 months now. And they are backlogged several months.

Right, I checked their site and it says they are backlogged, with no mention of price which is why I was asking. With the one case every four months, I think I'd be okay since I'd just limit my shooting to that and set a reminder on the calendar, I just don't care to ship my rifle out after just getting it for 6 months and waiting.

[thegiff]

Was $50 when mine was tested, and as I said the fee is waived upon purchasing a case. With an appointment you can drive there and be present during testing. Ocab did that for his rifle, and I will do that next time.

[thegiff]

Also 5000 rounds of match ammo is quite a bit. Do you realistically plan to shoot 1200 rounds a month? I bought 2 cases and it cost about $2k. That was 2 years ago and I’ve shot maybe 3000 rounds so far. I also shoot less expensive ammo for practice, like positional shooting and trying to shorten my times on props. SK or similar for instance.

[ocabj]

Nov 2021 a case of Center-X from Capstone was about $1250 shipped to door. They honored FFL03+COE.

[thegiff]

I purchased 2 cases in Sept 2019, which is 10,000 rounds. This is pre-pandemic and pre-election pricing, came out to with shipping to $2,262.08. I shipped to a local shop in OC and picked up there for another fee, IIRC about $20 or $30 store fee or so + tax.

[LynnJr]

It's the 3rd sentence down.

[bug_eyedmonster]

Update: I contacted Capstone, and they want me to "season" the barrel before sending it in for testing. Once I get the rifle assembled, I'll start flinging rounds downrange with what I have first, and then figure out how I'm going to get the barreled action over to them for testing.

The other issue now is getting a stock/chassis to test. My friend from TFB wants to do a build/write-up with the MDT HNT26 with this, so we are waiting for that to arrive before we start assembly. If not, my second option is to buy a Spuhr SICS to try out. I wanted that for the 6.5 I currently shoot, so we can swap stuff around later depending on how it all does.

Thanks for the info to everyone!

[thegiff]

Just stay away from Stingers or other rounds with longer than normal cases. You will have a match chamber and are supposed to use similar rounds to what they are using, which are lead bullets lubed with wax.