No Ammo PPTs at Turners?

[Garv]

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1556253

Please verify and respond.

[Gunny556]

Hey Turner's Guy, I'm waiting on your response to this too. Does/Will Turner's do a PPT on Ammo or not?

[baih777]

Morning bump.

[ThatOneTurnersGuy]

[ThatOneTurnersGuy]

Sorry had to.
With all the new systems in place and lack of clear directives and SOPS, at this time we are not completing transfers of ammo between private sellers. The ammo line mixed with the gun counter line is already creating issues and with customer feedback we are working on ways to expedite all the processes to make all transactions as easy as possible.

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by ThatOneTurnersGuy

Sorry had to.
With all the new systems in place and lack of clear directives and SOPS, at this time we are not completing transfers of ammo between private sellers. The ammo line mixed with the gun counter line is already creating issues and with customer feedback we are working on ways to expedite all the processes to make all transactions as easy as possible.

That seems non-responsive to the basic issue of the referenced post. “Lack of clear directives and SOPs”, is a discretionary and internal corporate problem.

It’s been reported that your store manager stated Turner’s didn’t have to comply with the statute and accommodate private sales/transfers of ammo.

Will you clarify whether Turner’s believes they do/do not have to accommodate these transfers under the provisions of the statute?

Thanks.

[baih777]

How about posting a sign on the door to the store and posting on the website.

[pacrat]

Originally Posted by ThatOneTurnersGuy

Sorry had to.
With all the new systems in place and lack of clear directives and SOPS, at this time we are not completing transfers of ammo between private sellers.

The ammo line mixed with the gun counter line is already creating issues and with customer feedback we are working on ways to expedite all the processes to make all transactions as easy as possible.

Pure unadulterated corporate Bovine Excrement.

30312.
(a) (1) Commencing January 1, 2018, the sale of ammunition by any party shall be conducted by or processed through a licensed ammunition vendor.

(2) When neither party to an ammunition sale is a licensed ammunition vendor, the seller shall deliver the ammunition to a vendor to process the transaction. The ammunition vendor shall promptly and properly deliver the ammunition to the purchaser, if the sale is not prohibited, as if the ammunition were the vendor’s own merchandise. If the ammunition vendor cannot legally deliver the ammunition to the purchaser, the vendor shall forthwith return the ammunition to the seller. The ammunition vendor may charge the purchaser an administrative fee to process the transaction, in an amount to be set by the Department of Justice, in addition to any applicable fees that may be charged pursuant to the provisions of this title.

^^^^^Clear DIRECTIVE is given in Ca PC 30312.^^^^^

NOT doing transfers of ammo. Clearly means you are NOT COMPLIANT with Ca LAW.

PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

[unclejesse]

^^^ +1

[Rakso]

Interesting...

[Quickdraw559]

So you don’t know how to transfer it, but you know how to sell it? How did that happen?

[I Swan]

Originally Posted by Quickdraw559

So you don’t know how to transfer it, but you know how to sell it? How did that happen?

I'd respect Turner's more if they just were honest and just said they don't want to do it.

[PatC415]

They don't want to do GUN transfers, do you really think they want to do ammo transfers?

Turners sucks. Why do people continue to do business with them?

[I Swan]

Originally Posted by PatC415

They don't want to do GUN transfers, do you really think they want to do ammo transfers?

Turners sucks. Why do people continue to do business with them?

Some don't know any better. They assume all gun shops are the same if they are not enthusiasts. Also there is a lot of Turner's locations so for some just convenience.

I recently bought a gun at Turner's and it mainly went OK but I rarely step foot in a Turner's any more. Don't really see any reason to I have smaller shops I get better service from and that sell more of the type of stuff I'm interested in.

Most Turner's sales don't appeal to me either. I haven't done a PPT at Turner's since 2001 and for good reason.

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by I Swan

I'd respect Turner's more if they just were honest and just said they don't want to do it.

More?

I'd respect them only if they'd COMPLY WITH THE STATUTE.

[kingransom]

Perhaps if you'd stop hiring Derelicts and employed knowledgeable firearms people along with running the business like it should be rather than a f****** bakery where everybody has to take a number and wait two hours, you wouldn't be in this situation. I boycotted Turner's many years ago and wouldn't step in their door for a free gun. After spending thousands upon thousands of dollars on many firearms I couldn't take the b******* anymore regardless of how good the deal might be. Please stop supporting these people

[Boris]

Originally Posted by pacrat

Pure unadulterated corporate Bovine Excrement.





^^^^^Clear DIRECTIVE is given in Ca PC 30312.^^^^^

NOT doing transfers of ammo. Clearly means you are NOT COMPLIANT with Ca LAW.

PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

Has the DOJ set pricing yet? If not, that may be the problem.

[Rakso]

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by Boris

Has the DOJ set pricing yet? If not, that may be the problem.

No. that’s not the problem. The Statutes contain the pricing (fees to be assessed) and DOJ incorporated them into state regulations some time ago.

You can find all of the citations, here.

[whutsup40]

Love this stuff!!

[ThatOneTurnersGuy]

DOJ regulations are not clear on this being a mandate for dealers; DOJ themselves initially told many dealers that it was not mandated in the same way that firearm PPT’s are. Perhaps they felt the language that the dealer must process the transfer as if the ammunition were the vendor’s own merchandise, dictated that dealers must run one of the background checks as it does with new ammo, but does not clearly state that dealers must process these transfers to begin with.

Again, given the amount of time that it takes to process all DOJ related processes, we had not begun processing these transfers- a) because the regs are not clear when combined with DOJ’s prior guidance, and b) because we do want to smooth out the ammo and gun buying process given the disruptive nature of the continued 10-15% SAEC rejection rate and/or customers still struggling to overcome FLA CDL issues.

While we have not been overrun with tons of requests to do these- very few, in fact- we’ll take a second look at processing these and let you all know

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by ThatOneTurnersGuy

DOJ regulations are not clear on this being a mandate for dealers; DOJ themselves initially told many dealers that it was not mandated in the same way that firearm PPT’s are. Perhaps they felt the language that the dealer must process the transfer as if the ammunition were the vendor’s own merchandise, dictated that dealers must run one of the background checks as it does with new ammo, but does not clearly state that dealers must process these transfers to begin with.

Again, given the amount of time that it takes to process all DOJ related processes, we had not begun processing these transfers- a) because the regs are not clear when combined with DOJ’s prior guidance, and b) because we do want to smooth out the ammo and gun buying process given the disruptive nature of the continued 10-15% SAEC rejection rate and/or customers still struggling to overcome FLA CDL issues.

While we have not been overrun with tons of requests to do these- very few, in fact- we’ll take a second look at processing these and let you all know

Thanks for coming back to this. Too bad you’re the messenger....

This law went into effect on Jan 1, 2018, and Turner’s is still confused?

Anyone who is passingly familiar with these statutes knows that the law says all ammo transactions must go through a vendor. For a vendor to claim they don’t think they have to process the transaction is absurd.

Your final statement seals it. The amount of time to process DOJ requirements and the need to “smooth out” the ammo and gun-buying process given the rate of rejections, is irrelevant. As you stated, you have, in fact, “very few” of these transactions.

Finally, why no love in your sig block for the Sacramento (Florin)?

[pacrat]

Originally Posted by ThatOneTurnersGuy

DOJ regulations are not clear on this being a mandate for dealers; DOJ themselves initially told many dealers that it was not mandated in the same way that firearm PPT’s are. Perhaps they felt the language that the dealer must process the transfer as if the ammunition were the vendor’s own merchandise, dictated that dealers must run one of the background checks as it does with new ammo, but does not clearly state that dealers must process these transfers to begin with.

Again, given the amount of time that it takes to process all DOJ related processes, we had not begun processing these transfers- a) because the regs are not clear when combined with DOJ’s prior guidance, and b) because we do want to smooth out the ammo and gun buying process given the disruptive nature of the continued 10-15% SAEC rejection rate and/or customers still struggling to overcome FLA CDL issues.

While we have not been overrun with tons of requests to do these- very few, in fact- we’ll take a second look at processing these and let you all know

The bolded quote above is duly noted as "corporate doublespeak deflection". The onus placed on "ammunition vendors" by this statute is unambiguous and clearly stated. Leaving no discretionary choices for the vendor.

RE-QUOTE FROM POST #8

30312.
(a) (1) Commencing January 1, 2018, the sale of ammunition by any party shall be conducted by or processed through a licensed ammunition vendor.

(2) When neither party to an ammunition sale is a licensed ammunition vendor, the seller shall deliver the ammunition to a vendor to process the transaction. The ammunition vendor shall promptly and properly deliver the ammunition to the purchaser, if the sale is not prohibited, as if the ammunition were the vendor’s own merchandise.

If the ammunition vendor cannot legally deliver the ammunition to the purchaser, the vendor shall forthwith return the ammunition to the seller. The ammunition vendor may charge the purchaser an administrative fee to process the transaction, in an amount to be set by the Department of Justice, in addition to any applicable fees that may be charged pursuant to the provisions of this title.

The contextual use of "SHALL" in 30312 in relation to vendors, makes it an IMPERATIVE statement.

If Turner's refuses to do PTP ammo transfers. They are NOT IN COMPLIANCE with Ca pc-30312.

[Bigman54]

Turners has morphed into the old B & B attitude. " If you're not here to spend LOTS of MONEY right Now, we don't have time for you ".

They used to be Nice, Polite and Knowledgeable People with a Full selection of Firearms.

Now their are jerks, that know about Sig's & AR's, and nothing else.

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by Bigman54

Turners has morphed into the old B & B attitude. " If you're not here to spend LOTS of MONEY right Now, we don't have time for you ".

They used to be Nice, Polite and Knowledgeable People with a Full selection of Firearms.

Now their are jerks, that know about Sig's & AR's, and nothing else.

I’ve not had that experience with the (new) Sacramento store. Calm, relaxed, efficient. I did know more about the firearm I was looking at than staff, but again, they were new. Senior staff tried to convince me that the DROS fee was $30, and we finally agreed that $5.00 (plus tax) was a Turners’ special fee, not DROS.

(And, frankly, B&B a few decades ago, was pretty fun.)

[I Swan]

Originally Posted by Bigman54

Turners has morphed into the old B & B attitude. " If you're not here to spend LOTS of MONEY right Now, we don't have time for you ".

They used to be Nice, Polite and Knowledgeable People with a Full selection of Firearms.

Now their are jerks, that know about Sig's & AR's, and nothing else.

I will give any store a pass for helping the paying customers first over someone just browsing. It's just good business sense to attend to someone actually buying first or known good steady customers.

Of course rudeness should never be tolerated.

[Rakso]

[Garv]

Any updates?

[GeeBee49]

I have no problem with my local Turner's. I've bought ten guns and a couple of thousand rounds of ammo from them since last June with no issues.
Yesterday I filled out the background paperwork on a Glock 22 and a Henry lever action that were on layaway. After lunch I'm going in to special order two SA revolvers from Taylor's & Co.
The one thing I've learned is to avoid evenings and weekends because they are a busy store. I'm retired so I only go in during the day on weekdays.

[Rakso]

Any word on the Spring sale? (Catalog)

[Garv]

One year bump.

Do you perform the ammo transfers now?

Thanks.

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by Garv

One year bump.

Do you perform the ammo transfers now?

Thanks.

Had that on the pop-up calendar, eh?

It’s difficult to clean the keyboard while laughing.

Thanks!

[GuillermoAntonio]

I called my local turners this last week asking about doing a firearm PPT. They sent me to the next dealer down the street.
A couple weeks ago I walked in asking for a Wilson combat and I was immediately ‘Introduced’ to their Springfield collection, they didn’t even care to offer a Les Baer or anything else in the same level as a WC
The previous time I was there with a friend who was buying his first firearm and upon requesting to see a CZ gun in the counter the rep tried to sell us an XD how do you compare an XD with a CZ? Their reps recently have this big heads....
I wish Turners would have our back a little more. After all they’re about the only gun chain that spans out several counties in California.
If I owned my own gun store behind enemy lines I would make sure to watch my patrons backs. All they need to do is to have one a designated time for PPT’s , ammo or firearms.
Why can’t they do this?

[Garv]

2 year bump.

Any updates?

[vino68]

Yeah, I do not blame them.

[sfe187]

They'll do ammo transfer when they stop selling ammo on their shelves.

[pacrat]

Originally Posted by ThatOneTurnersGuy

Sorry had to.
With all the new systems in place and lack of clear directives and SOPS, at this time we are not completing transfers of ammo between private sellers. The ammo line mixed with the gun counter line is already creating issues and with customer feedback we are working on ways to expedite all the processes to make all transactions as easy as possible.

Well Chris;

That was your excuse 2 yrs ago. Has anything changed [hopefully for the better]?

Or is Turner's still Turdner's?

Enquiring Minds

I truly wish your outfit would clean up your dismal customer service act. Since the Norwalk store is only 1-1/2 Mi from me.

[I Swan]

Some Turner's locations have been illegally refusing gun PPT and crapping all over other mom and pop FFL's in the area and referring the PPT customers to go do the transfer there.

[I Swan]

Originally Posted by pacrat

Well Chris;

That was your excuse 2 yrs ago. Has anything changed [hopefully for the better]?

Or is Turner's still Turdner's?

Enquiring Minds

I truly wish your outfit would clean up your dismal customer service act. Since the Norwalk store is only 1-1/2 Mi from me.

He hasn't logged in since 8-14-2021 or posted since March 2021 so I don't think he is going to get back to us on that.

[ThatOneTurnersGuy]

Sorry for the delay. Sorry to say but with everything that has happened in the past 18 months there have been no changes to processing ammo transfers.

To I Swans point I don't browse calguns on my work account so you dont see too much activity unless you reach out directly. I can always be reached via DM or pretty much through any other channel of Turner's online presence.