Anyone following KO2M?

[hubel458]

Applied Ballistics shooter Mitch Fitzpatrick just hit 3 of 5 at 3520 yards,

this weekend at Valdina Ranch , west of San Antonio.

A great accomplishment at the 2017 World's Longest Shot Challenge. Ed

[LynnJr]

KingAir
I read all of Eduardo's posts and it appears the Whittington Center has two ranges capable of two miles. It appears Team Applied Ballistics shot on the second range and according to Eduardo that is okay.

[Kingair001]

Originally Posted by Kingair001

Here is the article

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/...lethal-magnum/

Originally Posted by LynnJr

KingAir
I read all of Eduardo's posts and it appears the Whittington Center has two ranges capable of two miles. It appears Team Applied Ballistics shot on the second range and according to Eduardo that is okay.

Lynn,

Than I ask myself why people are redrawing out of the Ko2M ?

Apparently people told me other things today . . . .

[LynnJr]

KingAir001
I think the shooters withdrawing are the guys that are not able to practice on the alternate range.
They most likely feel they are not on a level playing field with those able to practice there so why waste the vacation time barrel wear and expenses.
If your on a team that can't visit the second range a few times before the match it's going to be an uphill battle.

[Kingair001]

Originally Posted by LynnJr

KingAir001
I think the shooters withdrawing are the guys that are not able to practice on the alternate range.
They most likely feel they are not on a level playing field with those able to practice there so why waste the vacation time barrel wear and expenses.
If your on a team that can't visit the second range a few times before the match it's going to be an uphill battle.

They are as experienced as the AB Ballistics team

That's not the problem

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[Kingair001]

Anyone heading to the Ko2M match ?

[hubel458]

About 2 mile military sniper shot kill of Isis soldier
in Iraq that is the latest news...

By Paul Philips, from FB...

In response to the latest amazing 2.1 mile Canadian Armed forces
sniper shot in question, A lot of my friends have been asking
if this is possible or not.

If there are any doubters out there?!

There will be many events in the USA where you can come watch 1-2 mile
shots. Visit ELR Central, FB, for more Information. The science of
accuracy and improvement of rifle components have made this possible.

Below is a photo of a 17x22 inch consecutive 3 shot group @ 2.05 miles
made with my 375 Lethal Mag. Bryan Litz on the trigger and
Emil Praslick on the wind.

In the other photo, these 3 impacts were made by fellow team mates
Mitchell Fitzpatrick, Derek Rodgers and Bryan Litz. Emil Praslick
and Paul Phillips on the wind. All three impacts were made with only
3 rounds each. So within 3 rounds for three shooters in a row we were
able to make impacts on a 36 inch plate (1 moa) at 2 miles or 3613 yards.

The purpose behind our research is to help improve technology
and increase our hit % at extreme ranges. This will help save
lives and bring our troops home safely.

Semper - Fi !!

Picture of Paul's Gun. Mitch also holding it with him.
Mitch was last years 2 mile shoot winner and Mitch's shop
built Paul's big gun..Ed

[Kingair001]

Just noticed this picture of the Ko2M 2017

32 listed but only 25 shooters

No Bryan Litz ?





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[Hoffer]

Have not finished the full lineup yet

Rodgers went 11 in a row as of yesterday and Litz in 22nd so far

http://www.longrangeonly.com/forum/a...9&d=1498704436

[Hoffer]

Derek Rodgers wins the KO2M 2017 with a hit at 2 miles
Ronnie Wright 2nd place

[Kingair001]

Originally Posted by Hoffer

Derek Rodgers wins the KO2M 2017 with a hit at 2 miles
Ronnie Wright 2nd place

👍

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[Kingair001]

Here they are !



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[Hoffer]

Final top shooters
https://www.facebook.com/41244309892...type=3&theater

[Kingair001]

Any clue what rounds they where shooting

Guess the 375 Lethal from Mitch

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[Kingair001]

Apparently Derek Rodgers was shooting a 375 CheyTac

[Kingair001]

Is it just me but there's not a lot of info about the Ko(a)2M - King of almost 2 Miles

No website just a few pics on FB . . .

Guess we have more here on Calguns than what they do . . . lol

Don't get that part either . . . King of 2 Miles . . . and they are 152 yards short . . .

Finally they have a year to measure 2 mlles

[Hoffer]

King of 1.9 miles does not sound very good

[Kingair001]

Originally Posted by Hoffer

King of 1.9 miles does not sound very good

Neither does 'King of almost 2 Miles'

[Hoffer]

Winning with a 375 Cheytac is making a lot of people happy.

[Kingair001]

Originally Posted by Hoffer

Winning with a 375 Cheytac is making a lot of people happy.

Who do you have in mind . . . 😂

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[Kingair001]

Here is the full list of shooters



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[LynnJr]

Talked with one of the shooters who has shot there all three years.
Half of the shooters in attendance were beating there bolts open do to stiff loads.

Mitch Fitzpatrick's spotters didn't know it was time to shoot so he had to rush his shots downrange to meet the 9 minute rule.

Everyone got one shot at a 1600 yard gong before they went hot and only four shooters hit it.
John Buhay put up $1000 to any shooter hitting the almost two miles target and winning the match. Kelly McMillan matched that offer so the winner walked off with $2000.

The wind made you or broke you.
Barrels without enough twist cost a bunch of shooters off guard.
If you don't have enough twist you will get all kinds of vertical stringing as each bullet will have a different BC number.
You need a oehler 88 or Oehler 42 to see this.
I will contact Focus to see if a LabRadar will do this.

[Kingair001]

Originally Posted by LynnJr

The wind made you or broke you.
Barrels without enough twist cost a bunch of shooters off guard.
If you don't have enough twist you will get all kinds of vertical stringing as each bullet will have a different BC number.
You need a oehler 88 or Oehler 42 to see this.
I will contact Focus to see if a LabRadar will do this.

Don't think a LabRadar has that capability Lynn

[LynnJr]

And you are right the LabRadar doesn't do it.

We would need two LabRadar about 200 yards apart to see if the bullets are not flying true.

[focus]

I don't know if these velocity samples can be reliably converted to BC variance. The LabRadar's accuracy is ~1%. That's too close to the bullet's BC variance. Here's a plot of a 10 round string. ES 12 and SD of 3.7

V0 is muzzle velocity. The others are in yards. V55 is velocity at 55 yards.

IMG_0052.jpg

Cheers,

[LynnJr]

Focus
If we have two chronographs spaced 200 yards apart both measuring the same bullet we should be able to tell if the bullets are making the transition.
David Tubb is using an Oehler 88 and the variation between a bullet flying true and one with alot of pitch is very dramatic.

[focus]

Here's shots 5, 6, & 7. I wonder what happened to shot 6?
I did get a couple vertical flyers during this string. But, I thought it was the 4-9 mph head wind.

IMG_0061.jpg

Cheers,

[LynnJr]

Focus
If we set up one LabRadar at the rifle and two at the target spaced 200 yards apart a unstable bullet with alot of pitch will show alot less velocity due to the extra drag.
If the vertical was seen while going supersonic it was most likely the headwind/tailwind and not a bullet losing stability.
When Sierra had the trouble with the 168 going unstable at 1000 yards what most shooters didn't understand was it was designed as a 300 meter international bullet and not intended for slower velocity downrange.
Have you read about the comments on Team Applied Ballistics on FaceBook yet?
It seems many think there was some bad JuJu going on. Glad it wasn't me.

[Hoffer]

You would think AB would play by the rules since they are in the spotlight.
Getting the Target info the day before and other assorted things
Lots of ways to make new friends, but this is not one of them.
Might throw my AB books in the trash

[Kingair001]

Originally Posted by Hoffer

You would think AB would play by the rules since they are in the spotlight.

Since they published 'the' rules . . .

Now they placed themselves in the spotlight

And all captured by a fan on video 😂

Hope it will be somewhat different in Tonopah if they shoot that match . . .

Anyway it will not take the fun for us away

Actually the should split it in 2 categories :

1. Team / sponsored shooters

2. Private shooters

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[LynnJr]

Hoffer
There are a thousand naive shooters out there for every shooter who actually knows what is happening.
Most will only read the end results and will never read the posts on the Facebook pages by the other shooters in attendance.
Once prizes are added to the equation everything changes every time from my experience.

[kcstott]

Originally Posted by Hoffer

You would think AB would play by the rules since they are in the spotlight.
Getting the Target info the day before and other assorted things
Lots of ways to make new friends, but this is not one of them.
Might throw my AB books in the trash

Hoffer that sounds like a sports fan tantrum, So tell me whom will it hurt to chuck litz's book in the trash?? Won't hurt litz's he already has your money.

This reminds me of all the Charger fans that showed up at the HQ to turn in their gear, or burn it or what ever,. childish crap. nothing more.

[LynnJr]

It sounds like a symbolic gesture to me.

[Kingair001]

Originally Posted by LynnJr

Hoffer
There are a thousand naive shooters out there for every shooter who actually knows what is happening.
Most will only read the end results and will never read the posts on the Facebook pages by the other shooters in attendance.
Once prizes are added to the equation everything changes every time from my experience.

Do you really have to pull these sort of tricks to win and get caught on video . . .

While you make the rules and run the forum for all shooters in ELR ?



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[Hoffer]

Originally Posted by kcstott

Hoffer that sounds like a sports fan tantrum, So tell me whom will it hurt to chuck litz's book in the trash?? Won't hurt litz's he already has your money.

This reminds me of all the Charger fans that showed up at the HQ to turn in their gear, or burn it or what ever,. childish crap. nothing more.

Idol worshiping is not my thing.

I've seen favoritism from both sides. When I ran at the Bonneville salt flats there was one organization that was very political. They would and do suck up to anyone they liked or was "famous". Rules were bent and ignored by officials. Even money was "donated" to change a rule. They tried to give us preferential treatment and I wanted nothing to do with it. It was kind of disgusting to see it in real life. I do things for self pride, not for others to think I'm cool.

[LynnJr]

Hoffer
I have never been past 130 mph and you went 388 mph if I read the records list correctly?
Quite the accomplishment in my book.
Congrats!!!!!

KingAir
Any time prizes are involved the truth comes out. Most shooters sit back and don't say much.
I am usually the exception to the rule.
When prizes are added shooters always speak up because now they feel they are being cheated out of a material item
If you read the Facebook reports from those actually in attendance it is obvious some felt others where given preferential treatment.
I wasn't there but in talking with someone who was this isn't the first time this has happened.
The best cure is to show up follow the rules and beat them.

[Kingair001]

Originally Posted by LynnJr

The best cure is to show up follow the rules and beat them.

Now these are wise words 😉

Hoffer and I will meet them next month

Anyone else going to Tonopah ?



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[kcstott]

Originally Posted by Hoffer

Idol worshiping is not my thing.

I've seen favoritism from both sides. When I ran at the Bonneville salt flats there was one organization that was very political. They would and do suck up to anyone they liked or was "famous". Rules were bent and ignored by officials. Even money was "donated" to change a rule. They tried to give us preferential treatment and I wanted nothing to do with it. It was kind of disgusting to see it in real life. I do things for self pride, not for others to think I'm cool.

I hear you but wasting your own money out of spite, screw that.

I say publish the crap out of any incriminating evidence and let the chips fall where they may, if the promoter chooses to play favorites publish that crap too and boycott. I know of more then a few places to set targets out to two miles in socal, screw these guys,

[Kingair001]

I just check the Ko2M FB page again

Some comments are deleted and the video's are . . . bye bye !

[LynnJr]

It's called damage control.