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2nd Amend. Litigation Updates & Legal Discussion Discuss California 2A related litigation and legal topics here. All advice given is NOT legal counsel. |
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I do hope you post the name, address, phone number of every person and co-conspirator in the LAPD involved in this injustice!!!
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The amount of evidence (previous lawsuit, resultant written policy they ignored, repeated documented contacts by counsel to LAPD over the years, etc.) seems overwhelming.
There's nothing that irks me more than the law thinking theyre above the law. A culture of corruption like this reminds me of Mexico... Go get em Jury trial, indeed.
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Police and local government corruption like this is why the public was rooting for Christopher Dorner when he went postal and started hunting police and their families.
And that's why there will be another Dorner eventually. And another. And another.... |
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It's a shame those punitive damages can't come from the bank accounts and future earnings/pensions of the individuals who stole Mr. Wright's firearms.
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I read about a judge in another state refusing to let staff from the local prosecutor's office in his courtroom. The head of it was under investigation.... It was the judge's way to force him to resign... Last edited by sl0re10; 08-14-2015 at 9:13 PM.. |
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This happens quite a bit where there are disputes over property possession. |
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What's to dispute? If something was wrongly taken and then destroyed by a "citizen". That citizen is branded a criminal and a thief and pays a price for their illegal acts. If someone is a Civil Servant and does the same. It is just business as usual. They do so with impunity, while snubbing their noses at the lowly citizens who dare defy them, while cashing the paychecks those same citizens provide. Then use the same taxpayers dollars to defend their actions. Where is the line drawn between a thief, and a protected thief? Between a Prosecutor and a Persecutor? Between Law Enforcement and Law Breakers? No one in LE will dare cross the blue line, and arrest one of their own for these blatant transgressions. What is left in the way of justice for the common man? If a group of citizen criminals band together and commit robberies. They get the charges of CONSPIRACY added onto their rap sheet. And they are labeled a GANG. If a bunch of civil servants conspire to deny someone their rights and property by breaking the law. They are called cops and given nice salaries and cushy pensions. All these law suits don't have any effect because of Qualified Immunity. In this case the same city, is being sued again for the same crime. Only thing that has changed is the man at the top. Same crook/different name. Same crime/different date. Same GANG/LAPD. Does anyone really think Chief Matsuda gives a crap that the City of Torrance lost $30,000 dollars to Mr Roberts for this same crime a few months ago? Does anyone think Beck is worried about this suit? Oh Hell No, because it won't cost him a dime. And when LA loses, the BSM will just pimp the spin that Beck is being chastised by the NRA and every other Gun Nut Group for trying to make LA safer by getting guns off the street. I would love to see Beck and his Gun Squad, along with the Lying Persecutor be charge with. And found guilty of RICO conspiracy charges. Maybe then we taxpaying citizens will get our moneys worth. JM2c |
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I wouldn't consider that respectable people in the domain of the public, would be supporting, such a murdering nutjob. Why they need a swift kick in the rear.
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Since it's a RICO case, can we go for civil asset forfeiture, too?
Take their guns, cars, and so on, as instrumentalities. It'd be an interesting way to highlight THAT abuse, too.
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All the rare and valuable ones were snapped up by LAPD brass, and family, and friends, and then the sergeants went thru the left-overs, and a few were given to buddies, leaving a few to be "destroyed" to destroy the evidence. With LAPD crookery and thefts of drugs and cash from evidence lockers, and coverups about corruption why would the average thinking person come to any OTHER conclusion, that this has to be a simple arrogant fvck you, coverup, in court.
Who is going after the cops- AG Kamala Harris? Mayor Gil Garcetti? Gov Jerry Brown? Steinberg, DeLeon, and company in Sackatomatoes? The Left laughs and thumbs its nose at the little people, the bitter clingers, the law abiding...there is no money to be made there, only power to be wielded over them, to distract from the corruption underway.
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This whole case is yet another example of why folks don't respect, trust, like, support, approve of, help, or in any way have positive things to say about those tasked with enforcing laws. It is another obvious reason that many folks also prefer "undocumented" firearms, and that any form of government record keeping, registration, permission, licensing, etc. is to be avoided. In California, when a citizen purchases or otherwise transfers weapons in a legal manner, that citizen must beware of the fact that those weapons, as a result of being documented, are in effect property of the state, and as such may be taken back at any point in the future.
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one has to wonder how many other people had this done to them. truly sad and they wonder why LE has lost the respect of the people because of crap like this.
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Tom Grishem of "Gun Talk" fame mentioned this case last week on his radio program....
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Assuming this lady has all or some of the serial numbers of these missing guns.
I would LOVE to see if the DOJ can trace the serials to see if any of these guns have been sold through a FFL since they were confiscated. My sniff is that if any of those confiscated guns have hit the street and been legally sold. LAPD might just have to justify their actions. Tis a thought anyway................ -T |
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Any progress on this???
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Yes Sir, it does.
Charles Beck is 63 yrs old. By the time this is resolved. The entire case against him will be moot. He will be long dead of old age. ![]() |
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I wish that anyone who was involved in the illegal and criminal destruction of personal property could be held personally liable both civilly and criminally, But, alas, these moron politicians like Beck simply get a free ride while hiding behind their office.
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But now that he is under Fed. Indictment. His attorneys are claiming "Qualified Immunity" as a defense. They are petitioning the court for Blanket Immunity for Ex Sheriff Lee Baca. So Baca can testify for Tanaka without incriminating himself. Which would let them BOTH off the hook for their actions. ![]() |
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i thought if it could be proven that you intentionally acted outside of the law, then your qualified immunity didn't apply as far as the officers who acted illegally under his orders, quite honestly, i don't have much sympathy for them either, they are grown adults, and, if they knew something was illegal, they shouldn't have done it, regardless of who was ordering it that's part of the problem with LE, too many "good" officers all too willing to sit on their integrity, more concerned about THEIR career and THEIR pension versus doing what is right ![]()
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all it takes is a prosecutor with some balls and integrity.
Unfortunately this is CA and the Federal AG is Loretta Lynch. Nuf said.
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Police are civilians. Why is this so hard for people to understand?
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Do we know for a fact that the collection was destroyed and not simply stolen with fake destruction paperwork to cover it up? A search of the homes of this department's officers might prove interesting, not that you'd ever get any judge to sign off on such an order.
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I went to turn a shotgun in that was a real POS and dangerous to fire. The LEO who came out to the car to retrieve it asked if he could have it and I gave it to him, but that's not the same as helping oneself to a firearm that has been turned in for destruction.
Yes I know that at the right time he could turn it in for $$$ at a buy back. More power to him if that is what he has in mind, I just wanted it gone. |
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I believe that you're mistaken here. It's probably so hard for folks to understand because it's not true. Please refer to the Merriman-Webster dictionary definition of "Civilian": _____________________________ Full Definition of CIVILIAN |
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Rick, I personally resist any concept that draws a line of any kind between. Citizens and the Citizens Police.
Even a single word. Things change but most assuredly not always for the better. One of the things that change, that shouldn't is the meaning of words. Just because words get improperly used in common practice by those with an agenda over an extended period of time. Does not mean that incorrect common usage should become acceptable usage. Yet that very thing is what those with agendas promote. This slow and insiduous shift from the proper perception of civilian police to more and more, the police becoming percieved as an arm of the government in general should not only stop, but be resisted in all forms. The addition of a few incorrect words added to a dictionary definition. Which subverts the original meaning of a word. Should not be allowed to support agendas. The addition of those incorrect words in relation to the definition of "civilian", serve only to support the agenda of those who promote. "US v THEM". And draws just such a line between civilians and civilian police. In the words of what is universally considered the "Father of Modern Police" Quote:
If someone in the cattle industry or a member of LE was called "GAY". They were percieved to be a "Happy or Joyous" cowboy or cop. Now that same word used in conjunction with those honorable professions. Brings forth cringe worthy mental pictures of The Village People. The true and original definition of the word "civilian", has been not only changed, but subverted to mean other than what it was. Just like the word "gay". Unless an individual's actions are covered in the UCMJ rather than the various state and fed. civilian codes. They are a "civilian". JM2c |
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There are two very different issues here to respond to. The vast majority of your commentary above deals with the role of the police and the quality of their interaction with the public. I actually agree with your comments and observations. There has been far too much "militarization" of law enforcement. I'd recommend that you read the recently released interim report from the President's Task Force on 21st Century Policing. That group was formed following the events in Ferguson and has just made their first recommendations. A central theme is a shift from the "Urban Warrior" view of policing to the "Guardian" mode of policing. That's long overdue. I was trained in the "Urban Warrior" mode of policing and quickly found that it didn't really fit very well (rather than repeat a long post here, please refer to Post #6 in this thread: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...light=guardian ). The main problem with the "war on (fill in the blank)" approach to law enforcement is that wars tend to impose a lot of collateral damage (yesterday we bombed a hospital in Afghanistan). Wars also tend to have a winner and a loser, or two losers. Wars just don't have two winners. The "Guardian" approach to police problem-solving can produce two winners if everyone lives up to their social contract. I very much like your quoting of Sir Robert Peel. His ideas remain very relevant today. I'd also point out the Mr. Peel often spoke and wrote of the need for the public to be involved in law enforcement. The role of the constable was to facilitate better law enforcement, not to assume all responsibility for law enforcement. If your purpose is to seek such change, please continue the effort and count me among your supporters. But that wasn't my purpose in making the post that you responded to. Earlier in this thread JDay took "Junkie" to task for using the word "civilian" correctly according to it's meaning, but in a way that you personally disapproved of (as you've explained above). That's just plain wrong. He has the right to use the word according to its meaning. I've read his posting several times, he spoke respectfully and provided his opinion. You criticism was undeserved. He is entitled to his opinion, just as you are entitled to yours. If your purpose is to condemn law enforcement militarization, then please simply preach that message and I think that you'll find a lot of supporters, just don't try to rewrite the English language in the process. Last edited by RickD427; 10-06-2015 at 9:02 AM.. |
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I do not consider myself a civilian as I am retired military. The dictionary states that you have to be active military, but after 24 years of military service, and service as a former LEO, I feel I'm entitled to say I'll never be a civilian. ![]()
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