CCW holder, what knives for defensive backup

[Irvine]

I carry the Honey Badger Tanto Flipper (right pocket), and my Surefire Stiletto flashlight (left pocket).
I like to support the local companies, Honey Badger in Irvine and Surefire in Fountain Valley.

[CAGLS]

Originally Posted by Sam .223

I carry a Spider Co Civilian most of the time or a Kershaw Spec Bump.

Had a civilian, wicked blade! I was thinking of the matriarch cause of the Emerson wave for the fastest deployment.

[blackrat]

Originally Posted by LA123

For legal reasons I would rather have pepper spray as a self defense weapon to compliment a gun.

I do carry a small pocket knife but it's for amazon packages not fighting.

I used to carry a knife with the intent of it being a tool first and defensive measure second since I couldn't legally carry, but now with CCW a possibility the knife seems more like a liability as far as escalation and I've moved on to relying on my leatherman for cutting and pepper spray to de-escalate/escape if it came down to it.

Originally Posted by CAGLS

Had a civilian, wicked blade! I was thinking of the matriarch cause of the Emerson wave for the fastest deployment.

That's what I carried on BART when I was taking it (before I came to my senses). Matriarch paired with a signet ring comes out of the pocket very fast and secure.

[socal m1 shooter]

Originally Posted by Quiet

[...] I also occasionally carry a Kershaw Leek (cutting open letters/paper) and/or a Kershaw Shuffle II (bottle opener).
~Benchmade Griptilian is what I would replace the Sypderco Endura with.

There is a video on YT where Dave Grossman does a pocket dump and regarding his knife, says something to the effect of:"[...] if your knife gets bloody or muddy your hand can slip down and get cut badly" which got my attention because I also have a Kershaw Leek.

The knife he recommends is an Emerson Sheepdog, but that is a very expensive knife. I'd like to see some others that have similar geometry (i.e., a guard to prevent what Grossman describes) but cost less.

[Scotty]

Originally Posted by socal m1 shooter

The knife he recommends is an Emerson Sheepdog, but that is a very expensive knife. I'd like to see some others that have similar geometry (i.e., a guard to prevent what Grossman describes) but cost less.

I carry a Emerson Mini CQC-7 flipper for self defense when not carrying a gun. Also carry a Benchmade 707 that is less menacing looking to use out in public.

If you want a cheap Emerson, looks into the Kershaw Emerson CQC series. They have the wave and the deep cutout for the index finger, but not the flipper. They are less than $80.

[socal m1 shooter]

Originally Posted by Scotty

I carry a Emerson Mini CQC-7 flipper for self defense when not carrying a gun. Also carry a Benchmade 707 that is less menacing looking to use out in public.

If you want a cheap Emerson, looks into the Kershaw Emerson CQC series. They have the wave and the deep cutout for the index finger, but not the flipper. They are less than $80.

I sure appreciate that, many thanks.

I'm not sure what you mean by the "flipper," but if you care to clue me in, thanks for that as well.



I'll look into these after doing some reading about them.

I've carried an SOG Visionary 1 for some time but I don't like how thick it is at the locking mechanism.

[ACfixer]

Originally Posted by Scotty

I carry a Emerson Mini CQC-7 flipper for self defense when not carrying a gun. Also carry a Benchmade 707 that is less menacing looking to use out in public.

This is too menacing to use in public?



And this makes Karen feel better?



Man you must be surrounded by some serious snowflakes.

[Scotty]

Originally Posted by socal m1 shooter

I sure appreciate that, many thanks.

I'm not sure what you mean by the "flipper," but if you care to clue me in, thanks for that as well.

https://emersonknives.com/product-ca...ives/flippers/
They have the extension on the bottom of the blade that sticks out of the handle when closed. When you flick the tab, the knife opens up.

Originally Posted by ACfixer

This is too menacing to use in public?

Man you must be surrounded by some serious snowflakes.

This is California, I'm surrounded by snowflakes, fruits, and nuts. I have gotten gasps when i've snap open a 3.9 inch black blades. We all know black blades are evil. Plus the Ernie doesn't cut straight.

[ACfixer]

Originally Posted by Scotty

This is California, I'm surrounded by snowflakes, fruits, and nuts. I have gotten gasps when i've snap open a 3.9 inch black blades. We all know black blades are evil. Plus the Ernie doesn't cut straight.

Hahaha fair enough Scotty. I carried an evil semi-serrated camo SOG Trident in SoCal, but I can't say I ever gave it a second thought concerning the snowflakes. Still carry it, wicked sharp knife and it flicks open quicker that my auto-knives.

[BC9696]

Originally Posted by Fnfan

Better off taking some jiu jitsu lessons than thinking youre going to be capable with a knife IMO.

I do carry a Zero Tolerance spring loaded pocket knife. Prior to that it was a Kershaw. I view these more as tools than as defense weapons though.

I'm in complete agreement and find the ZT 0301 to be the perfect tool for most cutting needs including SD, damn things hold an edge forever. You can just feel the quality when you hold it in your hand. Deploys quick and easy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsbbgo1kEAY

[socal m1 shooter]

Originally Posted by Scotty

https://emersonknives.com/product-ca...ives/flippers/
They have the extension on the bottom of the blade that sticks out of the handle when closed. When you flick the tab, the knife opens up.

Actually Emerson refers to it as "the wave" and it was apparently intended as a guard, but can do double duty in assisting with the opening.

A family member related dropping one of the Kershaw-Emerson collaboration knives and said it was damaged, making it harder to open. I have not seen the damage with my own eyes.

[Scotty]

Originally Posted by socal m1 shooter

Actually Emerson refers to it as "the wave" and it was apparently intended as a guard, but can do double duty in assisting with the opening.

No. The Wave is on top above the thumb disk. The video you link left out the part of the story where the Navy Seals said it also works for opening beer bottles. The patent has expired so you'll see other copies.

The flipper is on the bottom of the blade. Many knife companies make flippers. It's just a tab that sticks out through the handle , when you flick the tab, the knife opens up. It also keeps your finger from sliding forward.

https://youtu.be/BHSEsxXWWs4

[Librarian]

Thread has moved on to 'knives' and the CCW aspect has pretty much vanished. Fine discussion, just moved.

[socal m1 shooter]

Originally Posted by Scotty

No. The Wave is on top above the thumb disk. The video you link left out the part of the story where the Navy Seals said it also works for opening beer bottles. The patent has expired so you'll see other copies.

The flipper is on the bottom of the blade. Many knife companies make flippers. It's just a tab that sticks out through the handle , when you flick the tab, the knife opens up. It also keeps your finger from sliding forward.

I greatly appreciate this clarification, many thanks.

Now I am tracking regarding your comment in #45.

[pohorsky]

I carry a ZT knife 770, again mostly for cutting, but I'm also mindful of the inherent risk in the case of a grappling situation where it could be taken away and used against me.

[CVShooter]

As a civilian, if you're pulling a gun, the chances are high that you screwed a bunch of things up pretty bad to be in that situation in the first place. Situational awareness, confidence, avoidance, de-escalation... These are the primary tools of personal safety. The gun is way down the list. A knife isn't even really on the list. If the gun fails, you probably won't have time to deploy a knife.

But a good cutting tool is always good to have for a bunch of non-defensive situations like boxes, packaging, whittling... I recently paid $70 for a nice titanium pocket knife. But a chunkier $7 folder from Harbor Freight is what I carry most days and I prefer it. Every few years, a knife disappears from my pocket -- caught on brush, falling out somewhere. I can lose a lot of knives at $7 each.

Seriously, as far as defensive knives are concerned, don't. Spend some time and energy learning how to defend against a knife. A person can take a lot of knife slashes & stabs and stay in the fight. It's not a good defensive tool. But it can be a good killing tool and that's a big problem for you. Take some Krav classes if you can to learn some basic knife defenses. Carry whatever knife suits your every-day needs the best.

[j15w]

I use this as a neck knife.

[socal m1 shooter]

I broke down and bought both the Kershaw Emerson CQC5K and the Emerson Mini Sheepdog.

I will say, it seems to me that the Kershaw Emerson CQC5K is a very good value. I couldn't get the mini sheepdog with a black finish on the blade.

If I had to make a gun comparison analogy, I would say the Emerson is like a beautiful 3rd gen S&W auto, whereas the Kershaw Emerson is more like a Glock or S&W Shield.

[ThePlinker]

I carry a Zero Tolerance 0350BW, 3.25” blade, or my Microtech Marfione combat troodon 3.8” blade depending on what’s handy. If these come out of pocket somebody gonna start leaking.

But I carry a Leatherman skeletool for day to day bs. I hone my blades myself on wet stones.

I taught my sons that pre-cadavers should never see the blade only notice he is losing red stuff he would prefer to have inside him. But then again I keep japanese steel in the truck as well, a wakizashi (medium length katana). I enjoy sharp edge s hit. Guess ya can’t cuss on this forum.

When being lazy a pew pew on hip as back up.

Different strokes.