XD9 with CT RDS - Like a Dirty Window

[PartyBarge]

*Update* I'm sold on the new slide and optic. I was simply over oiling. It's freaking fantastic
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Something I hadn't considered - and frankly not really found to be discussed in my research, was blowback making my optic near worthless.

You know how we eventually revert to old, simpler ways? I've been doing this more and more...

After shooting my XD9 a few times, I'm finding - via both excellent and cheap ammo - my optic gets so dirty from blowback I nearly can't see through it past a few magazines.

As it turns out, most red dot videos are simply discussing the optic itself. Features, clarity, shake awake time, power source, etc. I don't recall any of the videos, from Colin Noir to Nutnfancy, to any of the manufacturers I watched, ever talking about after as many as 3 mags, probably time to stop training and clean.

This will all come down to having to remind myself of the old addage, it ALL comes back to money. I fell into the black hole of seeing all new pistols coming either precut for an optic of your choice, or even coming as an out of the box package with an optic. If everyone is doing it, it must be cool right?

I'm realizing no, no it's not. 3 mags, stop and clean. Rinse. Repeat.

You know when I didn't have to do that? When the pistol was just a pistol. When it was as designed. Before marketing. Before packaging. Before complicating.

Do I have buyer's remorse? No, it's not remorse. It's a memory of my childhood. When I'd get super excited about the latest, newest, shiniest thing. Then realize when I'm finally holding it, that it's just a distraction. Just an extra thing.

[dousan]

That’s a bummer.

My Glocks and sig don’t do that at all. Few classes, thousands of rounds and I never clean optics. Running brass ammo with hs6 reloads.

[tradecraft]

Are you shooting a heavily ported gun or something?

[PartyBarge]

Originally Posted by tradecraft

Are you shooting a heavily ported gun or something?

Nope

[tradecraft]

Originally Posted by PartyBarge

Nope

Something is likely off about your setup. It's a non-issue for the bulk of shooters, but RDS aren't for everyone in the end.

[FNGGlock]

Not sure what causes your issue, but I don’t experience it with my G34 clone setup. When doing training or competition many guys run RDS and the sight getting dirty is not an issue.
Though not seen guys running XDs, mostly Glocks, Sigs, etc.

On mine the muzzle and front slide area gets dirty after a few hundred rounds, but nothing by the ejection area on the slide. Does your XD get dirty by the slide extractor area? Similar to muzzle and front slide area.

[PartyBarge]

Originally Posted by FNGGlock

Not sure what causes your issue, but I don’t experience it with my G34 clone setup. When doing training or competition many guys run RDS and the sight getting dirty is not an issue.
Though not seen guys running XDs, mostly Glocks, Sigs, etc.

On mine the muzzle and front slide area gets dirty after a few hundred rounds, but nothing by the ejection area on the slide. Does your XD get dirty by the slide extractor area? Similar to muzzle and front slide area.

I'm going to try something that may be pretty simple to eliminate other potential causes. I'm going to strip the gun down from all oils, then shoot again using the absolute bare minimum lube possible. I bet I'm just over lubing.

[FNGGlock]

You are probably right, telling powder/residue dirt vs lube should be easy to detect. XDs are like Glocks , less is more when it comes to lube. They have more issues from too much lube vs too little.

[ponderosa]

I have the same slide/RDS combo, yet to shoot it, want to get out post Tday for a test run. Hope you get it figured out.

[D.A.V.I.D.]

I’ve had dots on 15-20 pistols now and never experienced this. After like a whole day class with 500 rounds yeah it’s a little dirty but not anything that requires being cleaned for continued use.

[TKM]

See if this blast shield will work for your gun and scope.

https://dawsonprecision.com/blast-sh...black-by-kidd/

[Scotty]

It maybe getting the loaded chamber indicator blowing powder residue through the gaps. S&W has an issue with this because their loaded chamber indicator is just a notch which blows residue up into the red dot sight

[rsrocket1]

I just use the slightest dab of grease on the slide guides, ejector and striker block pusher. Then a very thin film where the barrel locks up to the slide and another film on the barrel hood/slide lockup area. I see folks with dripping wet guns and wouldn’t be surprised if they were covered with oil after they shoot.
I have 3 red dots and after several thousand rounds through each gun, none have needed cleaning.

[PartyBarge]

Originally Posted by rsrocket1

I just use the slightest dab of grease on the slide guides, ejector and striker block pusher. Then a very thin film where the barrel locks up to the slide and another film on the barrel hood/slide lockup area. I see folks with dripping wet guns and wouldn’t be surprised if they were covered with oil after they shoot.
I have 3 red dots and after several thousand rounds through each gun, none have needed cleaning.

Yep - that's where my heads at.

[Xplosiv3]

My XD9 with the exact same setup does it too. It's just the way the gun is designed.

It will be the same no matter which optic you use. Just have to bring a cleaning cloth with you.

[PartyBarge]

Originally Posted by Xplosiv3

My XD9 with the exact same setup does it too. It's just the way the gun is designed.

It will be the same no matter which optic you use. Just have to bring a cleaning cloth with you.

Hmmm

[Xplosiv3]

Originally Posted by PartyBarge

Hmmm

Yeah, just hot oil from the barrel vaporizing as the gun cycles. On other pistols with red dots, the optic is set a bit further back so perhaps it's not as noticeable.

I even used gun butter to lubricate my XD (it's a thicker stickier more heat resistant lubricant that should be less prone to splashing) and it still did it.

The only other option I could imagine would be to use a dab of tetra grease to lubricate the top of the barrel/chamber and then rack the gun a couple times to spread it around.

[PartyBarge]

Update - I'm sold on the new slide and optic. I was simply over oiling. It's freaking fantastic.

[FNGGlock]

What sights are you using?
My buddy with his XD may be interested in an optic setup at some point.

[PartyBarge]

Originally Posted by FNGGlock

What sights are you using?
My buddy with his XD may be interested in an optic setup at some point.

The new Springfield slide cut for an optic includes new sights. He won't need to change his.

[Xplosiv3]

The sights included on the OSP slide are pretty good. Suppressor height sights so you can co-witness with most Shield RMSc footprint optics. The front is a fiber optic and the rear is a heavy duty steel with a U shaped notch painted white.

[PartyBarge]

Originally Posted by FNGGlock

What sights are you using?
My buddy with his XD may be interested in an optic setup at some point.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1812236

[Socal_Jack]

I run an XD9 with holosun 507 on it. I do not have this issue.

For lube: I treat the metal parts with miltech, and a small amount of CLP on the rear posts that hold the slide because they are plastic. Small amount of CLP.

But put miltec on all surfaces that rub metal on metal.

No issues and no malfunctions either.

[LLE2022]

Did adding the RDS help with the need to adjust the sight positioning to obtain a better grouping?

Did you have to install a separate component to install the RDS?

[PartyBarge]

Originally Posted by LLE2022

Did adding the RDS help with the need to adjust the sight positioning to obtain a better grouping?

Did you have to install a separate component to install the RDS?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1812236