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Calguns Expatriates For members who have left California but remain Calgunners |
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From ARF and as usual with permission...
"I can't believe this steaming pile of schit measure is up for vote. 20 pages of "in favor" vs 4 pages of "opposition ". ""All the "in favor" descriptions are nothing but lies. "Will save lives" "It will protect our children" "Will help from targeting people of color" "I'm so pissed off right now." You Tube on the subject here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUHmkvQNch0
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That's very sad. The initiative process is supposed to reduce the influence of big money, but it's actually done the opposite. Well-paid professional signature gatherers distort, misrepresent, and downright lie about these initiatives just to get signatures. I've seen them and they're very good at it. Once a measure achieves legitimacy by getting on the ballot, who knows how uninformed voters will react. I fear that this measure will pass, but I hope that judicial review will strike it down.
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Measure 114 passing as I feared it would. Hopefully, someone has their court challenged already prepared to file tomorrow. I never saw a more unconstitutional law. This removes all doubt about the stupidity of the Oregon Voter in case there was anyway--- the same people who brought you legalized drugs.
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Oregon voters passed one of the country’s strictest gun control measures, a long-sought goal of a grassroots faith-based campaign.
Partial returns tallied as of 11:15 p.m. showed Measure 114 leading 51% to 49%. Most of the votes left to be tallied were in Multnomah, Washington and Clackamas counties, all favoring or heavily favoring the measure. The measure will require Oregonians to obtain a permit to buy a gun after completing a firearms safety course and would ban the sale or transfer of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. Looks like they keep their Dem Governor Surprises me since the GOP challenger was supposed to win? |
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Oregon is blue through and through. That is why I scoff at the "Greater Idaho" thing.
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Did you ask them to ban abortions? If it saves just one life!
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There are parts that are red but just because they are red does not mean that I am in agreement with expanding Idaho's boarder. What puzzles me the most is Greater Idaho's apparent assumption that Idahoans are for their proposal. Given that OR measure 114 is leading by a slight margin I can see those in eastern Oregon pushing this even harder to free themselves from its prohibitions.
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Idaho doesn’t want them.
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I've been here 20 years plus. I have yet to meet another Idahoan who's in favor of the state of Jefferson. Oregonians pushing for Jefferson fail to look at's what legally necessary to make that happen. ![]()
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Looking at election results over the years, Boise's North End has little effect on Idaho voting. It's more or less the same as the Ada county precinct that includes the Boise State...typical.
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...news just announced it passed 51-49%.
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![]() Wow. CA isn’t the craziest anymore. Well until Newsom says, “hold my coke line.” Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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As long as the Constitution stands (which is questionable) we can rely on the takings clause to somewhat protect what we have. I believe, however, that the time we may have is short.
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I think you meant Boise State, but I agree.
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Thanks for the correction...it's fixed now.
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Live in Idaho, but have lots of friends and family in Deschutes county OR. Once Oregon Measure 114 goes into affect, will it be illegal to transport 11+ round magazines into Oregon?
As an aside... WTF? This thing looks like the most extreme anti gun bill I've ever seen. Makes CA look like child's play. Sent from my SM-G981U1 using Tapatalk Last edited by Fear58; 11-13-2022 at 7:19 AM.. |
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Right now, nobody knows. It’s so badly written. Courts will have their time on it.
There’s been a few sheriffs who have publicly spoke against it/won’t enforce. Great, but it’s osp and city police likely will. Personally, Dgaf. Do what you want to do or the level you feel most comfortable doing. |
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So how does that work with a voter proposition that's illegal? Who makes changes to the bill and decides when and if it gets implemented?
Where's LaPierre? Too busy counting his money? This kind of thing should've been squashed before the election. |
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Yes, it will be illegal.
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Oregon is only blue in a corridor from Eugene to Portland but that's where the bulk of the population is, much like Washington where the corridor of Olympia/Tacoma/Seattle occupies a small area of the state but has the bulk of the population. Everything east of the Cascades in both states is solid red as was everything south and east of Puget Sound in Washington, but population numbers matter more than area.
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These cretins get paid for everything valid signature. I remember asking one that wanted me to sign for some animal cruelty initiatives and I was curious as to what that entailed, she couldn’t tell me any specifics other than just two sentences as to how it would protect animals from abuse. She couldn’t define what ‘abuse’ consists of.
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Yes, but can't buy them - no classes to take to get the permit to purchase.
There's a state court suit, based on the OR Constitution, where the judge issued a TRO; hearing next Tuesday. See also http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1830408 |
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Looks like a judge has put a block on implementing the measure:
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I really don't see this passing constitutional scrutiny tbh. When you have LEAs saying they don't even have the manpower or ability to enforce this, it pretty much becomes a de facto gun ban. I think this is classical liberal overreach that might, ... might work in our favor with good rulings.
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