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NOT Fair. NOT honest. NOT compliant with Ca LAW. NOT gonna get any of my money. Seems that the only thing TurDner's is, is Consistant. ![]() |
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I wonder if he will address various Turner's locations doing what they can to refuse gun PPT business and foist those customers on other mom and pop FFL's in the area? Nah, probably not.
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Why not just report them to batfe?
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3 year bump.
Any updates?
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Completely hypothetical, but if you were to meet at Turners for an ammo PPT and they refused, since both parties agreed to the PPT at an FFL who then refused, if they simply did a cash and carry at Turners parking lot, would the parties be breaking the law, or would Turners? Just asking for a friend....
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Sure they have the right, as much as a baker has the right to refuse service to make a wedding cake for two partners, right? Except that in this case, ANYONE can bake a wedding cake, but to buy and sell ammunition now requires an FFL. And THAT license is regulated and there are rules that have to be followed.
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Are you part of Turdner's management, and have the authority to speak for them?
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No changes to ammo PPT policy.
Aside from what’s discussed on this forum we rarely see anyone coming in looking to do ammo PPTs
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Trust me, we don't like having to go through an FFL for an ammo sale from one person to another. We don't like having to have a background check performed. We don't like having limits on what we can sell. But it's the law. And part of that stipulates having to go through an FFL. And much like we can't pick and choose what laws we're supposed to follow, neither are you. Don't like doing ammo PPT's? No problem. Turn in your FFL and become Turner's Fishing Store, with a side division of firearm accessories, then. |
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You know, if everyone just agreed to not report anyone for selling ammo to each other within the gun community, there would be no need for ammo PPTs. That’s how we do it in my part of the state anyway. Food for thought.
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I think you're frustrated with the wrong person here. Not a chief, simply an Indian.
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No frustration involved. You recently dropped into this "Turdner's" sub forum, using the pronoun "we". And speaking definitively regarding policy. Well WE, the forum members, have no idea who you are. So I asked. ![]() And some of what you post, may be compatible with Turdner's policiy. But it isn't accurate. It isn't correct. And it isn't even legal. ![]() Quote:
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Does NOT MEAN that Turdner's, HAS THE RIGHT TO BREAK THE LAW. I wish Turdner's would rescind their several, illegal policy practices. I would gladly again become a patron. Since the Norwalk store is only 1 1/2 mi from my house. |
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Like I said, we don't like the law either. However, we're required to follow it, just as you are. Having a store policy that states you won't do part of your license requirements does NOT indemnify you from actually having to do them. |
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When the legislature FORCES citizens to comply. It also FORCES the FFLs to facilitate that compliance. But the legislature doesn't force its enforcement agency [DOJ] to enforce the facilitation. |
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Now, as time goes on, the fact that they're only getting $10 to do the transfer (and adding multiple layers of bureaucracy on top of that), the FFLs are mad that they have to do it! So what do you do? 1. Whine! Whine! Whine! 2. Make it as onerous as possible to do a transfer. 3. Set only certain times and only certain dates you'll do it 4. Ultimately, claim you won't do them at all. <-- We're here now, BTW 5. Whine some more! As I said... don't like the rules? Don't play the game. Become Turners Tackle and Firearms Accessories. But don't tell me that government is forcing you to obey the law. What's the difference? You have a choice... Give up your FFL and there's no requirement to do any transfers. We don't have that option. |
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Don't feel like being a licensee, alert the Ca DOJ Bureau of Firearms that you would like to relinquish your license. We are not the bad guys here. Step up and do what your license requires you to do. I don't know, maybe hire and train somebody.....
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I wonder why not? It's been almost 3 years now and they would make the same amount of money doing an ammo PPT as if they were doing a firearm PPT.
Obviously it's not a common thing customers ask for but it's not unheard of either. When two people on this forum want to conduct a transaction of lets say 1000rds of a rare Mauser caliber and neither of them know each other, the safe thing to do would be to conduct the transaction legally at a gun shop. I understand Turners sells ammo themselves but there should at least be an exception for calibers they don't carry/have in stock. Last edited by Xplosiv3; 09-28-2022 at 8:30 AM.. Reason: edit |
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The transaction brings two or more people into the building which should be a net positive.
A large amount of CGers have stated they try to make other purchases when they go in for a PPT. I have (almost) always bought some ammo, targets, cleaning supplies.
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