The injections, masks, mandates...are satanic.

[CVShooter]

Originally Posted by bruss01

You can't say that isn't pure evil.

It isn't pure evil. I said it.

All this fuss over a shot? Really? So you've never had a vaccine? Ever?

[billvau]

Originally Posted by Garand Hunter

Interesting thread, lots of interaction, and I am staying out of this one. Keep up the interaction Bros ! I see Billvau is still up and active.

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Thanks for noticing that I've been around some. Summer's over, darker earlier, more time at my desk with sermon prep, so easier to take quick breaks and respond.

I just started preaching 1 Corinthians at our Sunday evening service. What a book! Every Christian / Every Church needs to study this book as Corinth is more like our culture today than any other NT city than maybe Rome!

Blessings,

[Barang]

Originally Posted by bruss01

I think when it becomes mandatory and affects your ability to buy or sell (your paycheck is for time you sold to your employer, for money, which is necessary to buy the necessities of life), then it BECOMES a de-facto religious issue for a lot of people.

he's following the footsteps of 666 as predicted in revelation. conditioning people in accepting the mark when he is revealed.

Right now it's only Government workers and contractors... it's soon to be any company with over 100 employees. It's clear the intention is to vaccinate every man, woman and child despite their concerns or objections and to enforce it by making it impossible to live without it unless you grow your own food and own your home outright.

people who are not blinded by this world can see this coming clear as bright sunny day.

You can't say that isn't pure evil.

common sense says "Yes." the Wisdom from God says "sound mind and Godly mind can differentiate between good and evil."

[bruss01]

Originally Posted by CVShooter

It isn't pure evil. I said it.

All this fuss over a shot? Really? So you've never had a vaccine? Ever?

Never one directly tied to my ability to buy and sell.

I don't have any issues with needles or vaccines. Most people don't. But threatening to pull your job over not getting it is taking it to a new level and makes it a potential religious issue for some folks. If you don't feel a small, still voice deep in your gut telling you this is different and profoundly wrong, and believing that to be the guiding voice of Diety, then I can't help you. Maybe we don't follow the same deity. Good luck.

[RAMCLAP]

It's not just buy and sell. You must worship as well. 666 and the Beast all took place in the 50's AD with Nero.

[TrailerparkTrash]

Originally Posted by Gundiver

Doctors didn’t make these vaccines.

Who did in your opinion, Nabisco? Pepsi? Now you’re splitting hairs. Don’t get it if you don’t want it, nobody cares. I’m all about freedom of choice and I’d support and defend your decision either way.

Back to the OP, I’m NOT seeing this vax mandate as being satanic, no matter how horrible it is to having the government force it upon those that would chose not to receive it. I do however see that the democrat party as a whole, including some conservatives as being led blind by satan himself.

Abortion comes to mind as being “satanic” and that can easily be backed up by scripture.

[viragoman]

Vaccination is a form of witchcraft, ergo, it IS satanic. A concoction of chemicals, DNA and cell cultures from various animals, along with cell lines from aborted fetuses. Injected directly into your blood, which the Bible tells us is sacred multiple times. Yep, absolutely satanic witchcraft.

[bruss01]

Originally Posted by RAMCLAP

It's not just buy and sell. You must worship as well. 666 and the Beast all took place in the 50's AD with Nero.

Well I won't try to tell anyone what to believe but in my opinion:

2 Thessalonians 2:4 KJV
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Any man, institution or idea that exalts itself above God, that you allow to dwell in the temple of your heart or mind, has replaced God in your life, and the worship he or it demands is for you to submit your will to theirs. If you would betray your moral conscience for whatever temptation is dangled or what punishment is threatened, then who or what has become "God" in your life? If one believes it's wrong but obeys that voice anyway... they just demonstrated "worship" in practical application.

[RAMCLAP]

Well whereas speculation and opinions are fun to play with, Scripture says it was an actual person. So does the writings of the time.
Rev 13. It was also given to him to make war with the [e]saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been [f]written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain. 9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear. 10 If anyone [g]is destined for captivity, to captivity he goes; if anyone kills with the sword, with the sword he must be killed. Here is the [h]perseverance and the faith of the [i]saints.

Even the Romans called Nero the Beast. 666 means Caeser Nero. The historical record shows that in order to enter the agoura to buy and sell, one had to give an offering at the altar just outside the gate. Once the offering was made the priest would take some ash from the burnt offering and wipe it on the forehead or the hand of the worshipper. Then they could enter the agoura. If one made the mistake of getting up to the gate and then decided not to worship they were arrested and often killed for not worshipping. The practice can still be seen in the Roman Cathloic Church by recieving the mark of ash on Ash Wednesday.
But I do appreciate your thoughts, and they make some sense.

[billvau]

To anyone reading RAMCLAP's "speculation and opinions," above, he's using a hermeneutic that is not consistent nor literal/historical/grammatical, etc. One has to analogize Scripture to come up with his answers. To be an "amil" (amillennial), you have to ignore the beginning of the book of Revelation:

Rev. 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, 2 who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. 3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near."

Given that we know John the Apostle wrote the book of Revelation in 95-96 AD from the island of Patmos, everything in the book is prophecy. SO, it has to take place AFTER 95-96 AD.

Also, the millennium is very specifically defined in Rev. 20

Re20:1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.

Notice how specific: "a thousand years" TWO times (v.1,2). There are many more references to "thousand years" in the verses following (v.4,5,6,7) - it's kind of specific, many times. Amil's argue 1000 years doesn't mean 1000 years, but means a very long time. First problem: it says 1000 years. Second problem, V.3 says "a short time." So, in the passage we have both specific references and a general, ambiguous reference ("a short time").

Bottom line: If you use a consistent, literal, grammatical-historical, hermeneutic to interpret Scripture, then

1. The Millennium is a specific time that is yet to come.
2. The Millennium is 1000 years (kinda matches it's title!).
3. All of this has to take place AFTER 95-96 AD when John the Apostle wrote Revelation.

Using the proper hermeneutic, the next event on the biblical prophecy timeline is the Rapture (1 Thes. 4:13f). Then the Tribulation, 2nd Coming of Christ, Millennium, White Throne judgment, eternity thereafter.

When I studied eschatology (this end time stuff) in Seminary, every book I had to read quoted Amil after Amil scholar admitting that they use a twisted hermeneutic to force their preconceived beliefs to fit. They all admit that if they used our consistent...hermeneutic that they would come up with the same answer I wrote above.

I respect everyone's right to believe what they want to believe, but if you really want know our Lord Jesus Christ through the Bible, you need the hermeneutic I described. I want to know Him more and more intimately, so that's how I interpret / teach / preach the Word of God.

Blessings.

[Garand Hunter]

Uh Bill, isn't " hermeneutics " a bit heavy for this discussion ? I know what it and eschatology means, but haven't seen it used on this site before. Of course I only have a few years here. Just askin.

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[billvau]

Originally Posted by Garand Hunter

Uh Bill, isn't " hermeneutics " a bit heavy for this discussion ? I know what it and eschatology means, but haven't seen it used on this site before. Of course I only have few years here. Just askin.

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No, not at all. All of us determine what a passage means by our method of interpretation. Differences in meaning always come down to method. That method is called hermeneutics. I'm glad you know the terms, but others here have told me that they appreciate being stretched to learn more of these things.

But, with all that said, my post was to show that he wasn't using a normal, common-sense, interpretation in his posts. I made the post so that people reading the thread wouldn't get accept that interpretation as the correct one.

Anyhow, thanks for the comment. I try to post in the easiest way to understand the Bible and wasn't even thinking that word would sound too academic. My bad. Sorry.

And, even in my world of weekly sermon prep, I look up a LOT of words the commentary authors use! Last week it was "pejorative!" Sounds great, but I didn't know it. Thankfully, Google gives me quick dictionary meanings!

Blessings.

[RAMCLAP]

So 1000 years must be taken literally like we are supposed to take a ten headed beast climbing up on the beach like a cheap 1960's Japanese B movie. Again, Jesus states that all authority was given to Him and thus Satan is chained and cannot stop the Gospel from going out to the nations for as long as God demands(a millenium or really long time).
Also, given that there is no historical proof that John wrote the book 25 years after the worst catastrophy in Jewish history. And if it was 25 years later why didn't he mention it. It can't be because it already happened.

[billvau]

Originally Posted by RAMCLAP

So 1000 years must be taken literally like we are supposed to take a ten headed beast climbing up on the beach like a cheap 1960's Japanese B movie. Again, Jesus states that all authority was given to Him and thus Satan is chained and cannot stop the Gospel from going out to the nations for as long as God demands(a millenium or really long time).
Also, given that there is no historical proof that John wrote the book 25 years after the worst catastrophy in Jewish history. And if it was 25 years later why didn't he mention it. It can't be because it already happened.

Bizarre response. You compare a movie to the Word of God. Bottom Line: you have no Scriptural response to 1000 years being 1000 years. The Holy Spirit nicely put "a short time" in those verses *probably* knowing that this passage would be mis-interpreted.

Yes, Christ has all "authority" but that was explained. Satan is NOT chained because also explained was how the book of Revelation is FUTURE from at least 95 AD, even if you don't want to follow the historical evidence. As Peter wrote, watch out for Satan and resist him!

1 Peter 5:8 Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 9 But resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your brethren who are in the world.

Look, RAMCLAP, you can believe whatever you want and I respect that. BUT, as scholars all agree, you have to ANALOGIZE clear Scripture to come up with your position. Yes, many do this, but it's not the way God intends Scripture to be read and understood.

Sorry to interrupt your 1960s Japanese B-rated movie with quotes clear interpretation from Scripture in the above posts, but our folks here need to know what the Bible really teaches about what is coming in the FUTURE.

Blessings.

[RAMCLAP]

Devouring and stopping the Gospel from being preached are two different things, and nothing was explained. No one showed any historical evidence for 95. When Jesus said this generation would not pass away until all of these things came to pass He actually meant that generation. Not a future one.

[billvau]

Originally Posted by RAMCLAP

Devouring and stopping the Gospel from being preached are two different things, and nothing was explained. No one showed any historical evidence for 95. When Jesus said this generation would not pass away until all of these things came to pass He actually meant that generation. Not a future one.

Oh my. Your hermeneutic is SO far off, I'll stop here.

You can have the last word.

[RAMCLAP]

I dont want it. I'm bored and the subject isnt very interesting to me. So I'm done

[Alan Block]

Originally Posted by viragoman

Vaccination is a form of witchcraft, ergo, it IS satanic. A concoction of chemicals, DNA and cell cultures from various animals, along with cell lines from aborted fetuses. Injected directly into your blood, which the Bible tells us is sacred multiple times. Yep, absolutely satanic witchcraft.

There is NO eye-of-newt in these vaccines.

[DB>]

Gentlemen, I believe there is a bit too much debate over the trees while mising the forest (which is currently on fire, one might say)....

It is all too clear that the war between good and evil is getting hotter by the day, and souls are at stake.

The virus is not good or evil, it's a mindless organism (yes, even if it was created by men).
The vax is neither good nor evil (kinda like guns).

What is evil is the way it is being used by evil men and women - that is far more insidious and perverse. We are seeing neighbor turned against neighbor, family against family... seems to be vaguely familiar...

Anger, hatred, ill will... all because it serves an agenda, a narrative which is UNGODLY. It is the "anti" of "love thy neighbor", and certainly does not come from a spirit of loving God.

It is "each one doing what seems right to them" (that was what caused the fall of Lucifer and 1/3 of heaven). It is a spirit of FEAR rather than peace beyond understanding...

There is ONE answer. ONE way. ONE truth. ONE life. These dark times make that more obvious, yet so many people continue to prefer darkness.

WE must still strive to be the light, the salt, and good stewards of the WORD and the Gospel, good Ambassadors of Heaven....

[glassparman]

Hmmm, well I was completely against it from the beginning. I prayed for weeks with seemingly no answer from YHWH.

Then one day like a ton of bricks, I was overwhelmed with the verse:

John 15:12-13 "This is my command: Love one another as I have loved you. No one has greater love than this: to lay down his life for his friends".

Now, I felt like the Holy Spirit was saying "you are not going to die and this verse is not always about death, for you Mike, it is about laying down your selfish inhibitions, pride and lack of faith in the Father. Who do you trust anyway?".

I'm still totally against it but I'm now fully vaxed so as to provide stability to my family for financial and emotional needs. Sometimes HE works in very strange ways. HIS ways are not our ways.

As far as maybe some trying to tell others that what they are doing is wrong by taking the Vaccine, I refer to:

Romans 14 - take time to read it. It's all about not causing our brother to stumble because he thinks one thing brings him closer to YHWH but we don't.

Paul actually said in 1 Corinthians 8:13 - "Therefore if food causes my brother or sister to fall, I will never again eat meat, so that I won't cause my brother or sister to fall".

It's not about meat or food, its about having compassion on our fellow believers and not putting a stumbling block in their path because we feel strongly about one thing and they feel the opposite. These are all disputable matters because they are not called out clearly in scripture.

Yes, I think we are in the end times and soon the one world Government will be in place but my GOD has already won! We know how it all ends. I have nothing to fear.

Just my 1/2 cents worth.

[CVShooter]

DB & Glassparman -- great posts. About the most Christ-centered things I've seen on this forum.

This is the absurdity of politics & religion -- one group uses fear to drive vaccinations and the another uses fear to get people to avoid them. Fear is a terrible place for decision-making.

I'm pretty sure that vaccines are going to be like Y2K in a few more years. Those who freaked (pro or con) out are going to look like idiots while those who didn't will scarcely remember it was a thing.

[Barang]

Originally Posted by glassparman

Hmmm, well I was completely against it from the beginning. I prayed for weeks with seemingly no answer from YHWH.

Then one day like a ton of bricks, I was overwhelmed with the verse:

John 15:12-13 "This is my command: Love one another as I have loved you. No one has greater love than this: to lay down his life for his friends".

Now, I felt like the Holy Spirit was saying "you are not going to die and this verse is not always about death, for you Mike, it is about laying down your selfish inhibitions, pride and lack of faith in the Father. Who do you trust anyway?".

I'm still totally against it but I'm now fully vaxed so as to provide stability to my family for financial and emotional needs. Sometimes HE works in very strange ways. HIS ways are not our ways.

As far as maybe some trying to tell others that what they are doing is wrong by taking the Vaccine, I refer to:

Romans 14 - take time to read it. It's all about not causing our brother to stumble because he thinks one thing brings him closer to YHWH but we don't.

Paul actually said in 1 Corinthians 8:13 - "Therefore if food causes my brother or sister to fall, I will never again eat meat, so that I won't cause my brother or sister to fall".

It's not about meat or food, its about having compassion on our fellow believers and not putting a stumbling block in their path because we feel strongly about one thing and they feel the opposite. These are all disputable matters because they are not called out clearly in scripture.

Yes, I think we are in the end times and soon the one world Government will be in place but my GOD has already won! We know how it all ends. I have nothing to fear.

Just my 1/2 cents worth.

- the vax mandate has nothing to do with causing stumbling block.
- the vax mandate is government abusing their power by forcing people to get it against their will.
- the vax mandate causes people to lose their job, employers losing their high performance employees, violating people's rights and total disregard of constitution.

God doesn't even force His salvation on people, and yet these commies are better than God by forcing it against our will.

[Garand Hunter]

CORRECT Barang ! If someone I know takes the vax ( and I know several ) its their business, not mine. BUT, do not pretend to exercise any FORM of authority to make me or any member of my family get the vax ! Is it the ( MARK of the beast ) , NO.

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[Barang]

Originally Posted by Garand Hunter

CORRECT Barang ! If someone I know takes the vax ( and I know several ) its their business, not mine. BUT, do not pretend to exercise any FORM of authority to make me or any member of my family get the vax ! Is it the ( MARK of the beast ) , NO.

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definitely! i'm the only one in the family that's not vaxed and we all get along. it's a personal decision and we all respect that.

[Sean D]

The Vaccine contains cells of an aborted fetus. Abortion is evil and satanic. Virus was man made in a lab for gain of function. No one will ever be able to prove it was intentionally released. You really don’t need to provide bible verses to determine, right from wrong, good vs evil. If you people need further detailed explanation from a pastor you can check out: thehealthyAmerican.org.
Peggy, the lady on this website literally has more guts then half the dudes that post on calguns.

[Sean D]

Ps…..
For all you vaxxed sheep ��, have fun with all the complications of blood clots.

[Gundiver]

Originally Posted by Barang

definitely! i'm the only one in the family that's not vaxed and we all get along. it's a personal decision and we all respect that.

Yes that’s nice but are they USING their vaccine status. For example spending their money at places that require it. Because if so they are SCREWING you a few months from now.

[Barang]

Originally Posted by Gundiver

Yes that’s nice but are they USING their vaccine status. For example spending their money at places that require it. Because if so they are SCREWING you a few months from now.

some got it for employment reason. others did it to "protect" themselves from scamdemic. in terms of spending their dough, they go to the same stores before the beer flu was exploited by the tyrants.

[Big Chudungus]

I agree with Grouchy Bear. Alex Jones has been saying these Satanists can't cross certain lines and its all about their need for you to choose. That concept was used in Star Wars "the force" where they try to get to choose the Dark Side but its all about getting you to choose.

Vaccines have never worked. All the big reductions in diseases they are suppose to prevent happened prior to the Vaxx coming out and were from improved hygiene and diet, and the diseases were not a problem in populations that for random reasons had good hygiene and diet before the connections to disease prevention were understood. Improvements in hygiene and diet would be on going so any meager improvements after introduction of Vaccines are at best not statistically proven. Certainly the Fauci Ouchie is some sort of heinous plot with no benefit and only risk, even if it mostly just a dry run to condition the sheeple to Vaxx Mandates. Vaxx sends Spike Protein toxins that collect in reproductive organs of men and women. Over 40% of Vaxxed women report weird changes to their Periods after Vaxx which tells me its more like 90% because there will a large % not reporting because its none of anyone else's business. Back in the Olde Days (pre-Covid, pre-"AIDS") it was a given the medicine was all about truth and a visit to doctor would be about getting facts you weren't able to get yourself. Everything about Covid and Vaxx has been lies. If its not some weird plot then why all the lies about a simple Flu type illness? At best its Big Biz, Big Pharma, Big Govt, NWO, Big Surveillance and Police State colluding and running completely wild, leveraging the concept that with a "medical emergency" normal laws and Rights don't apply. These people do in fact attend Satanic rituals as exposed at Bohemian Grove, so at a minimum their leadership employs the Devil Worship meme as their guiding principal, even if he considers his minions suckers.

Putting masks on people, especially kids, has got to screw up their socialization and development, has been proven to have only negative effects and doesn't work for Covid at all, and is being only done by the same people that force children to submit to Drag Queens and other perverts.

IIRC back in the Olde Days certain Christian groups that objected to certain medical interventions were routinely granted exemptions just for asking and that included their kids, about stuff a lot more medically important than Flu. AFAIK out of thousands of well written detailed requests for Vaxx Exemptions its SOP to deny every single one.

Whether or not its actually Satanic, I do see a weird "but we need you to freely choose" to join some org or do something for some supposed benefit but by doing so you give up certain Rights in lots of situations, mostly targeting young people, and that is almost always a warning sign. Good deals or groups never demand you give up any Rights or anything.