Shall I get CCW - deadline tonight!!!

[.40Cal]

Hey guys,

Got a Facebook promo - ASD if offering UTAH CCW for $139 in Pleasanton. I know it's Not CA Valid.

The Fee includes the following -
* Application & all relevant paperwork
* Fingerprinting Service
* Required photo for permit
* A copy of your driver's license
* Delivery of your packet to the Utah BCI for processing.

Additional $63 fee is required for the Non-Residents of Utah. It is supposed to be Valid CCW in 30 States, as advertised.

QUESTIION - Is it worth it, or not? And Why Yes/ Why Not? Thanks for your feedback and insight!!! The class is tomorrow, so will appreciate response from anyone reading this...

[dousan]

Are you planning on going to Utah or other states that will recognize it?

[hermosabeach]

Yes

[hermosabeach]

When you apply for a CCW / CHL there are questions
Do you already have a CCW/ CHL ? If yes - provide details


This is partially guilt or innocent by association. Ie see other agencies accept my training and good moral character and issues me a CHL/ CCW

[.40Cal]

Originally Posted by hermosabeach

When you apply for a CCW / CHL there are questions
Do you already have a CCW/ CHL ? If yes - provide details


This is partially guilt or innocent by association. Ie see other agencies accept my training and good moral character and issues me a CHL/ CCW

So it's a good thing then??

Originally Posted by dousan

Are you planning on going to Utah or other states that will recognize it?

Possibly. While traveling, or staying with relatives/family/friends for extended time...

[dousan]

Then yes, go for it!!
But are they constitutional carry no permit needed states?

I’m not up on who’s doing what. Gas prices too high, no road trips for a while for me.

[.40Cal]

Originally Posted by dousan

Then yes, go for it!!
But are they constitutional carry no permit needed states?

I’m not up on who’s doing what. Gas prices too high, no road trips for a while for me.

Agreed about the Gas prices/Travel! I do intend to visit VA sometimes (but not anytime soon, just got back from there).

Although the "Constitutional Carry" states are lenient, I wonder if people really carry guns on their person there, and especially the out of state people (non-residents). It is my imagination, that having a CCW will look better, if stopped by a LEO.

Not sure if I should/shouldn't get it... Benefits: Pros/Cons...

[xblax619]

there are benefits to having a carry permit even in constitutional carry states, one being covered if passing through a gun free school zone.

[xblax619]

u could consider the Arizona non-resident permit. it only costs like 60 bucks. the main reason to get the Utah permit instead of the AZ permit is to get reciprocity in Washington state.

[.40Cal]

Originally Posted by xblax619

there are benefits to having a carry permit even in constitutional carry states, one being covered if passing through a gun free school zone.

I thought you can't have a gun on you within 1000 feet, as Fedral Law!

Originally Posted by xblax619

u could consider the Arizona non-resident permit. it only costs like 60 bucks. the main reason to get the Utah permit instead of the AZ permit is to get reciprocity in Washington state.

2 parts question - So the only difference in the AZ Vs UT CCW is the reciprocity in WA state? I don't go to WA or will ever need to go... So in that case, the AZ CCW is also valid in all the other states as UT (except WA)???

Secondly, if that is so, where to I find a class for the AZ CCW?

[xblax619]

Originally Posted by .40Cal

I thought you can't have a gun on you within 1000 feet, as Fedral Law!



2 parts question - So the only difference in the AZ Vs UT CCW is the reciprocity in WA state? I don't go to WA or will ever need to go... So in that case, the AZ CCW is also valid in all the other states as UT (except WA)???

Secondly, if that is so, where to I find a class for the AZ CCW?

the carry permit exempts u from the 1000 foot rule of a gun free school zone. i don’t remember all the states the az permit is recognized in as opposed to the ut permit. i do remember that wa was the outlier that sticks out in my memory.

[Hockeytodd03]

Check Handgunlaw.us and a few of the other CCW websites. They do a good job of keeping current where your CCW is good

[9Cal_OC]

Originally Posted by .40Cal

I thought you can't have a gun on you within 1000 feet, as Fedral Law!



2 parts question - So the only difference in the AZ Vs UT CCW is the reciprocity in WA state? I don't go to WA or will ever need to go... So in that case, the AZ CCW is also valid in all the other states as UT (except WA)???

Secondly, if that is so, where to I find a class for the AZ CCW?

Correct, UT gets you WA but AZ CCW gets you NM (but not WA).

The AZ course requirement can be satisfied by taking an NRA class or similar, competition certificate, or DD214. If you take a UT course, some instructors can give you a certificate for AZ proof of competency.

[SigSauerP226]

Yes

[.40Cal]

Originally Posted by 9Cal_OC

Correct, UT gets you WA but AZ CCW gets you NM (but not WA).

The AZ course requirement can be satisfied by taking an NRA class or similar, competition certificate, or DD214. If you take a UT course, some instructors can give you a certificate for AZ proof of competency.

AZ seems more appealing - I may visit NM, less chances of visiting WA.

[.40Cal]

Originally Posted by xblax619

u could consider the Arizona non-resident permit. it only costs like 60 bucks. the main reason to get the Utah permit instead of the AZ permit is to get reciprocity in Washington state.

Although this isn't a thread about "costs", but things are tight these days. I doubt $60 includes eveything, including paperwork, photos, finger prints, shipping, etc..

[MajorSideburns]

I think the AZ permit is the most popular one most California people get for the reasons stated above. This link has a good tool for quickly viewing reciprocity https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/res...ciprocity_map/

[.40Cal]

Originally Posted by MajorSideburns

I think the AZ permit is the most popular one most California people get for the reasons stated above. This link has a good tool for quickly viewing reciprocity https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/res...ciprocity_map/

Thanks for sharing that tool. Seems AZ & UT CCW is quite similar for the most part.




I presume there are fees involved that are in addition to the application fee, hence AZ would cost more than $60 application fee. So UT CCW for $139 sounds about the same...

[Quiet]

Originally Posted by xblax619

the carry permit exempts u from the 1000 foot rule of a gun free school zone. i don’t remember all the states the az permit is recognized in as opposed to the ut permit. i do remember that wa was the outlier that sticks out in my memory.

Clarification.

Under Federal laws...

A person with a valid CCW permit is exempt from the 1000' Federal GFSZ of the school in the State in which the CCW permit was issued in. [18 USC 922(q)(2)(B)(ii)]

Being exempt from the Federal GFSZ laws does not automatically make that person exempt from State GFSZ laws and that person must also comply with any local (state, county, city. etc) GFSZ laws. [18 USC 922(q)(4)]

Examples:
~A person with a valid AZ CCW permit is exempt from the 1000' Federal GFSZ restriction for GFSZ located in AZ.
~A person with a valid AZ CCW permit is not exempt from being on property of a school/college/etc.
~A person with a valid AZ CCW permit is not exempt from the 1000' Federal GFSZ restriction for GFSZ located in other States.


However, there is the argument that States that have formal reciprocity agreements (written, agreed upon by both States, and publically posted by each State) are considered licensed by the State due to the formal reciprocity agreement needing to approved/licensed by the State.
^That said, this has not been tested in the Courts.



18 USC 922
(2)(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.
(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm—
(i) on private property not part of school grounds;
(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;
(iii) that is—
(I) not loaded; and
(II) in a locked container, or a locked firearms rack that is on a motor vehicle;
(iv) by an individual for use in a program approved by a school in the school zone;
(v) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in the school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual;
(vi) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity; or
(vii) that is unloaded and is possessed by an individual while traversing school premises for the purpose of gaining access to public or private lands open to hunting, if the entry on school premises is authorized by school authorities.
(4) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed as preempting or preventing a State or local government from enacting a statute establishing gun free school zones as provided in this subsection.

[ezaircon4jc]

Originally Posted by .40Cal

Although this isn't a thread about "costs", but things are tight these days. I doubt $60 includes eveything, including paperwork, photos, finger prints, shipping, etc..

My initial permit was ~$100; $60 for the permit and $40 for the fingerprint card. IIRC, the renewal was something like $45.

[.40Cal]

Originally Posted by ezaircon4jc

My initial permit was ~$100; $60 for the permit and $40 for the fingerprint card. IIRC, the renewal was something like $45.

Was this AZ or UT permit? Did you have to take any class or training to get signed off?

[ezaircon4jc]

Originally Posted by .40Cal

Was this AZ or UT permit? Did you have to take any class or training to get signed off?

AZ. I used my DD214. CA training suffices for AZ requirements.

[Skip_Dog]

UT permit is valid for 5 years. Not sure about AZ. UT renewal is $26 I believe for another 5 years...

[ezaircon4jc]

Originally Posted by Skip_Dog

UT permit is valid for 5 years. Not sure about AZ. UT renewal is $26 I believe for another 5 years...

AZ is also 5 yrs.

[9Cal_OC]

Si did you make the deadline OP?

[AWE]

UTAH good deal Nevada honors it in the state from what I have been reading my Virginia CCW they don't.

[.40Cal]

Originally Posted by ezaircon4jc

AZ. I used my DD214. CA training suffices for AZ requirements.

Training cost? And where did you do an in person interview? I checked, it seems there are limited locations where we'd have to go for an in person interview.

[.40Cal]

Originally Posted by AWE

UTAH good deal Nevada honors it in the state from what I have been reading my Virginia CCW they don't.

Good. UT and AZ permits are valid in Nevada and VA also.

Originally Posted by 9Cal_OC

Si did you make the deadline OP?

No.... I couldn't make up my mind if I wanna spend $200 on the UT permit, or for half the price get the AZ permit, which is essentially the same, except WA.

Now the next step is how to proceed for the AZ permit? Where to get classes, what forms to fill, where to send, finger prints, photos, and total Fees involved... Is there a One Stop shop for this?

[ezaircon4jc]

Originally Posted by .40Cal

Training cost? And where did you do an in person interview? I checked, it seems there are limited locations where we'd have to go for an in person interview.

I didn't have to take any training. I submitted a copy of my DD214 (Honorable Discharge), the fingerprint card and the fee. There is no in-person interview, I did it all by mail.

https://www.azdps.gov/sites/default/...20Fillable.pdf

https://www.azdps.gov/services/public/cwp

[BAJ475]

Originally Posted by xblax619

the carry permit exempts u from the 1000 foot rule of a gun free school zone. i don’t remember all the states the az permit is recognized in as opposed to the ut permit. i do remember that wa was the outlier that sticks out in my memory.

UT gets you WA and AZ gets you NM. My enhanced Idaho CWL is good everywhere AZ and UT are accepted. However, as I understand it, to be exempt from the federal school zone law the permit has to have been issued by the state where the school zone is located. So I also have a WA CPL, despite the fact that WA recognizes both my ID and UT permits.

[768Q]

I attended this class when up here in Windsor a few weeks back, it was very well ran and the instructor was also the owner named Spencer. Nine of us in that class and talking with others when leaving took positive information away from it. He also does the Az class which I may add later on, he also said he would send me a certificate from this class I could take to Oregon when I go meet with one of the Sheriff deputy's there free of charge. Well worth the $200 total IMHO.
Keith