FSC Exemption for "Honorably Discharged Retirees" include 100% DAV?

[CrossedRifles]

I found a subsection that lists exemptions:

X25 Honorably Retired Military Personnel

I'm a 100% DAV, I didn't do 20 years, but I have the same ID as if I was retired. (The new Next Generation Uniformed Services Card). It is the new equivalent of the "blue military retiree ID".

Is anyone a 100% DAV or Medically Retired who did under 20 years that can chime in?

Thanks.

[Snoopy47]

Here's what I would do.

1) Are you collecting a monthly pay check based on your status, and the same benefits a fully retired service member would get?
2) As you mentioned, you hold the same ID a retired service member would.

I would try, and not go into the semantics of the details of your status when in conversation with the FFL.

I would lean on the word RETIRED in your status of medically retired.

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What's going to happen is the FFL will copy your ID as proof of compliance with the exemption for the FSC when you buy a fire arm. I'm not aware of any audit process that validates those ID's when being applied to those exemptions. If they look the same how is the DOJ going to discriminate against the semantics of your status?

So, as long as you are comfortable with it then sure, give it a try. Worst case you force the issue legally in court about the silliness of the semantics all these exemptions for the FSC tax.

[Oxnard_Montalvo]

Don't quote me on this but I think I remember one lgs
that accepted someone's VA card as proof of military
service so they didn't have to take the test. As usual,
your mileage may vary, void where prohibited, subject
to change w/o notice, yada yada...

[Snoopy47]

Originally Posted by Oxnard_Montalvo

Don't quote me on this but I think I remember one lgs
that accepted someone's VA card as proof of military
service so they didn't have to take the test. As usual,
your mileage may vary, void where prohibited, subject
to change w/o notice, yada yada...

I'm not disagreeing with what FFL's do, but my understanding the exemption applies to:
1) Active Duty, and Active Reservists
2) Retired military (retired not explicitly defined).

I presume retired means card carrying retired. How one gets that card isn't defined in the penal code.

My father is a card carrying VA beneficiary, but only did his 3 years in Vietnam. I don't think that counts. He's getting medical money (exposed to agent orange), but not "retired" money. But hey, if the DOJ isn't holding FFL's feet to the fire with what is and isn't acceptable as proof of exemption then who am I to say.

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Totally thread jacking;

I suppose one could be medically retired from the military in their first year of enlistment by shooting themselves in the foot at a weapons qualification exercise and thereby be exempt from taking the Firearms Safety Card test.

Meanwhile, folks that do 10+ years, were on the shooting teams, and marksmanship instructors would not qualify for the exemption.

[CrossedRifles]

Originally Posted by Snoopy47

I'm not disagreeing with what FFL's do, but my understanding the exemption applies to:
1) Active Duty, and Active Reservists
2) Retired military (retired not explicitly defined).

I presume retired means card carrying retired. How one gets that card isn't defined in the penal code.

My father is a card carrying VA beneficiary, but only did his 3 years in Vietnam. I don't think that counts. He's getting medical money (exposed to agent orange), but not "retired" money. But hey, if the DOJ isn't holding FFL's feet to the fire with what is and isn't acceptable as proof of exemption then who am I to say.

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Totally thread jacking;

I suppose one could be medically retired from the military in their first year of enlistment by shooting themselves in the foot at a weapons qualification exercise and thereby be exempt from taking the Firearms Safety Card test.

Meanwhile, folks that do 10+ years, were on the shooting teams, and marksmanship instructors would not qualify for the exemption.

The VA would never give a joe 100% for a shot in the foot ahaha! I knew someone who shot themselves through their own thigh at a livefire because of poor barrel awareness, got 10% for limited range of movement.

I shattered my left ankle from a fall halfway down a tower and got 10% for that only. Til this day I limp and feels like I have a huge rock in my shoe.

I overheard a lot of young veterans from all sorts of branches at my university where they all want to con the system. Encouraging each other to lie, say they have Depression / PTSD / Anxiety / Sleep Apnea. They coach each other and it's disgusting.

The VA doesn't discriminate based on deployed / non-deployed, so mental health ratings and sleep apnea are fairly easy to get unfortunately. God knows how much money the VA is paying out to those who scammed the system.

I don't discriminate based on time-in-service, MOS, or combat-arms or not, but damn, people need some integrity in their lives. Not that "just lie bro, u want that 100%" bs. Not only that, if these people are scamming the system, doesn't that also mean the important resources are being taken away from veterans who really do need it?

But back to the original topic :

I'm probably just going to get the FSC, since I don't want to potentially get denied and waste another CalGunner's time coming in to do the PPT.

Thanks Snoopy47.

[SharedShots]

Discharged and Retired are two completely different things.

If you didn't retire but left the service for medical reasons you can Medically Discharged but you aren't retired. You may even get some benefits but that isn't retirement pay, it's compensation for your medical condition.

Equivalents don't count, just likes don't count. You either retired or were discharged. Then it comes down to how you were discharged or how you retired.

Just getting some check every month does not mean you retired.

[Rusty84]

You don’t need to take the test. I have the blue card and an early retiree.

[Wildcat19]

If you apply on-line for a unique serial number (i.e., building a rifle), you must have a valid FSC number - no exceptions - none.

I experienced this first hand. Yes, I am a honorably discharged vet. 20%

[19K]

Originally Posted by CrossedRifles

The VA would never give a joe 100% for a shot in the foot ahaha! I knew someone who shot themselves through their own thigh at a livefire because of poor barrel awareness, got 10% for limited range of movement.

I shattered my left ankle from a fall halfway down a tower and got 10% for that only. Til this day I limp and feels like I have a huge rock in my shoe.

I overheard a lot of young veterans from all sorts of branches at my university where they all want to con the system. Encouraging each other to lie, say they have Depression / PTSD / Anxiety / Sleep Apnea. They coach each other and it's disgusting.

The VA doesn't discriminate based on deployed / non-deployed, so mental health ratings and sleep apnea are fairly easy to get unfortunately. God knows how much money the VA is paying out to those who scammed the system.

I don't discriminate based on time-in-service, MOS, or combat-arms or not, but damn, people need some integrity in their lives. Not that "just lie bro, u want that 100%" bs. Not only that, if these people are scamming the system, doesn't that also mean the important resources are being taken away from veterans who really do need it?

But back to the original topic :

I'm probably just going to get the FSC, since I don't want to potentially get denied and waste another CalGunner's time coming in to do the PPT.

Thanks Snoopy47.

Sounds like you need to get reevaluated. 10% is nothing for an injury like that.

[SafetyOptional]

I just show my blue card instead of a FSC. I have yet to have a lgs deny me.

If you have any questions if you were retired or not, check your DD214. It clearly states it.

[Dvrjon]

Your New Generation ID card will tell you your status.

In the middle of the card, at the top, is a designation of "Affiliation". If it says "Retired" underneath that, then you are retired.

Retired:



Not Retired:



The VA Healthcare Card provides no designation of service status. It simply identifies a "VA Healthcare Enrollee and the nature of the healthcare (e.g., "Service Connected"; MOH; Purple Heart; Former POW).

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by CrossedRifles

But back to the original topic :

I'm probably just going to get the FSC, since I don't want to potentially get denied and waste another CalGunner's time coming in to do the PPT.

Suggestion: Go to FFL. Show card. Ask, "Is this sufficient to prove military retirement for FSC purposes". Proceed as necessary.

[M1NM]

Originally Posted by CrossedRifles

I'm probably just going to get the FSC, since I don't want to potentially get denied and waste another CalGunner's time coming in to do the PPT.

Use your ID. If the FFL declines it - even though as others have pointed of the word retired is the only requirement - then take the test and get the card then and there.