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Old 03-10-2022, 6:24 AM
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Default Nazi Browning HiPower wooden stock for sale

https://mantheline.com/product/brown...-wooden-stock/

One of those "one day only" sales from this company.

Looks like the Canadian stock, wonder what differences it has.

I do not have an early stock capable Nazi HiPower - but if I did, I'd probably buy one and just use it as a display, never attached to the pistol - as I understand that is a felony.

What do you guys think?
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Curio & Relic is legal. It was intended to be used. ATF is okay. In California who knows. I don’t live there thankfully.


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https://www.atf.gov/file/128116/download

I don't see Browning Hi powers - WWII made on the list - pg 23 - under Belgian, Browning, German, etc.

I have been told California still sees them as illegal - under Short Barreled Rifle rules or something like that. You can own the stocks but not have them attached - ? I believe I read somewhere.
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The Hi powers that are exempt require original stocks.
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Old 03-10-2022, 11:42 AM
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They list Canadian and Belgian pre-war original stocked Hi powers as exempt, but not Nazi production Hi Powers with original stocks. I never owned a Nazi - stock capable - early made Hi Power, so I never looked at it before.

I do own a Canadian Inglis stocked Hi Power which I keep unattached with its original stock.

I am not sure why Nazi made original stocked Hi powers are not included in the list.
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The Hi powers that are exempt require original stocks.
Not necessarily, see this
http://www.lugerforum.com/BATF.html

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Our Firearms Classification Panel has examined your request and is their opinion that the above mentioned pistols equipped with currently made reproduction shoulder stocks which either duplicate or closely approximate the dimensions and configuration of the original stocks would also be primarily of interest to collectors and not likely be used as weapons. Therefore, any Luger or Browning Hi-Power pistol which would be removed from the purview of the NFA if equipped with an original shoulder stock, would also not be subject to the NFA is equipped with a reproduction shoulder stock which either duplicates or closely approximates the dimensions and configuration of the original stock.
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I have been told California still sees them as illegal - under Short Barreled Rifle rules or something like that. You can own the stocks but not have them attached - ? I believe I read somewhere.
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Curio & Relic is legal. It was intended to be used. ATF is okay. In California who knows. I don’t live there thankfully.
BATFE approved C&R is exempt from CA SBR/SBS laws, but they are not exempt from CA assault weapons laws.

Which means...

Example:
1. Inglis Browning High-Power with shoulder stock attached = exempt from CA SBR laws, so not considered an illegal SBR.
2. Inglis Browning High-Power with shoulder stock attached = not exempt from CA assault weapons, so with stock attached it makes the firearm meet the CA definition of a "rifle" and it being semi-auto, makes the firearm also meet the CA definition of an assault weapon (rifle with an overall length of less than 30"), which makes the firearm an illegal assault weapon.
3. Inglis Browning High-Power with shoulder stock unattached = exempt from CA SBR laws, so not considered an illegal SBR and with stock unattached, the firearm does not meet any CA definitions of an assault weapon, so CA legal in this configuration.
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Thank you for the clarification.

So legal to purchase this reproduction, but illegal to attach in California.
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I checked your link....don't see the word Nazi anywhere.

WW2, German.....but not Nazi.

Just learning about BHPs, was there ever a German stocked BHP?

I was under the impression that BHPs were only stocked for the Chinese

contract made by Inglis. (Serial #ed models with CH are NFA exempt in free states)

Correct me if I'm wrong.
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You are right, it says "German" - which meant to me - that it was for the limited number of Browning Hi powers made under Nazi supervision.

If memory serves, there were a small number made - using parts on hand - at the time the Germans took over supervision of production.

This one is apparently one of them.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...n_id=101371273

The next variant was not slotted for a stock, but had the same movable sight adjustment as the slotted one. I had an interest in trying to find a slotted one many years ago as my collection lacked the early slotted example.

My 3 Nazi Hi power collection.



I have a Canadian Inglis version with stock - unattached - in my collection as well. Shown with my assortment of Radoms (replica holster).



I have never seen a stock made for the German Hi power - and the one for sale looks like the Canadian version stock.
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Nice collection, Roger!

Love those GP35's
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Great collection Roger!

I agree the stock looks to be a Inglis Canadian replica.

Interesting that a BHP made in 1936 for China was still in Belgium during the occupation.

I was aware that they made BHP using earlier made parts. Didn't know about the ones with tangent

sights and slotted grip.

I'm learning. Thanks for sharing!

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My 1941 FN/BHP WaA140 marked.
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Agreed that is a Canadian pattern stock.

Original Belgian stocks are flat board type. The Germans didn’t produce stocks for their early run of occupation made pistols. The stock slot was dropped in the WaA613 (first) run. WaA103 was tangent no slot, WaA140 dropped tangent sights soon after.

Original Belgian stock with a pre war Finnish contract HP




Pre war HP top and then going through a few German variations to end with a B block WaA140 fixed sight, end of the line.

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^^^^^
WOW!

Great info and pics, 81turbota!
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....so that is where they all went.....

Grats

Beautiful collection
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I heard the California dilemma includes NOT storing the pistol inside the stock either. I would go one step further an say don't store them in the same room either. A friend had an issue with LAPD initially charging him for an SBR because his Broomhandle Mauser was stored inside the stock. The charge was later dropped, but why allow yourself the exposure.
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Very nice Browning collection indeed..
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Love that Finn.
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What country were nazi hi powers produced in???
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What country were nazi hi powers produced in???
Belgium.
During WW2, after invading Belgium, the Germans took over FNH and had then make firearms for them.
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BATFE approved C&R is exempt from CA SBR/SBS laws, but they are not exempt from CA assault weapons laws.

Which means...

Example:
1. Inglis Browning High-Power with shoulder stock attached = exempt from CA SBR laws, so not considered an illegal SBR.
2. Inglis Browning High-Power with shoulder stock attached = not exempt from CA assault weapons, so with stock attached it makes the firearm meet the CA definition of a "rifle" and it being semi-auto, makes the firearm also meet the CA definition of an assault weapon (rifle with an overall length of less than 30"), which makes the firearm an illegal assault weapon.
3. Inglis Browning High-Power with shoulder stock unattached = exempt from CA SBR laws, so not considered an illegal SBR and with stock unattached, the firearm does not meet any CA definitions of an assault weapon, so CA legal in this configuration.
Re #2 - centerfire rifle with detach magazine also makes it a CA AW?

Re #3 - CA SBR laws do not have "constructive possession" violation?

Upon reflection, it may be that I erred in being not "up to speed" so much as just confused.

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