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I was actually getting a kick out of some of the comments. Never let it be said that the rumor mill at USI isnt as fast 10G Fiber!! lol
USI will be there for another 60 years because people are dedicated to seeing it stick around.
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Without real information from the club, people are left to speculate.
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Being told the same thing by several people that is all speculation and rumors only fuels the fire without any real info. Just me posting what i and others were told got some updates here , and glad it did. |
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Here's an email I received about 30mins ago.
You should have heard about this by now, but here it is just in case. The story that I heard is that there were bullets found at the top of the hill and in the church parking lot on the other side. All rifle and pistol ranges are closed until they can figure out how to make sure it doesn’t happen any more. This means that we will probably not have any more rifle and pistol shoots this year. If so, we will reduce the number of shoots required to two instead of three. Hopefully we can start up again in January, but there is no way to know for sure how long things will be shut down. Steve Urgent notice to all club members! Special Notice! Effective immediately. All U.S.I. Rifle and Pistol ranges are CLOSED for maintenance. Trap – Skeet – Five Stand are OPEN. -g
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Bottom line... Friday you'll have all the info you need.
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This sucks.
First the only gun shop in SF is shutting down (with a transfer of mine in process, I might add). And now the only range I can easily get to is closed. So... looks like I won't be shooting much for a while. |
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I'm a Livermore member and I was at the range today. It was busier than usual with several USI shooters joining us but there was still plenty of room. One of the topics of conversation was "what really happened at USI?". I mentioned that Chabot was offering member rates to USI members. I was told we were waiting to hear if the shutdown was voluntary or mandated before we consider discounts.
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I got this email today:
Diablo Rod & Gun Club Members, The official word from USI is: "We are making improvements to our rifle and pistol ranges to ensure a quality experience for our members and guests, and to include the most advanced safety features." I wanted to personally thank everyone that was able to attend and show support for this wonderful facility we have, and wanting to get things back in a good and safe working order. Tonight's meeting with USI, which like all USI meetings is open to attendance by all club members, tried to clarify when and why the range operations were suspended, actions taken to date, timelines for maintenance completion, USI staffing levels, financial impact to USI, and other items which included viability of current projects underway at USI and alternate revenue sources. I was disappointed with the abrupt and inappropriate ending of the USI meeting by the USI president as I personally had several items that still need to be addressed on my list. Additionally, no opportunity was given to the general attendees to speak as a "good of the order" item common with every meeting under Roberts Rules of Order. A small amount of progress was made with the unanimous vote to have USI proceed with two contracting proposals to have our ranges evaluated and reports that can be taken to architects and developers to start drawing up plans. Once those contracts are signed, we will get timelines for their completion (estimate 2-8 weeks). Point people for this effort are as yet unidentified (one of the items I wanted specified before the meeting was ended). It was also unclear if there was any formal investigation by the County or Sheriff still underway, and who the point person is for that communication either, having the right person as the face of USI is critical. The financial impact of these ranges not operating normally is significant. If you attend the monthly USI meetings you would know that USI typically operates with a net income each month of between $5k and $15k depending on the season. During this period of turmoil the monthly deficit will exceed $9k each month. So it is clearly imperative that USI resume full operations as soon as possible. In my opinion if the upgrades cannot be implemented quickly, it may be prudent to make further cuts and suspend all range operations to minimize the severe financial impact to USI. We cannot afford to operate at that rate of loss indefinitely. Range development will initially focus on the Public Rifle and Pistol ranges, with other facilities to follow. I look forward to keeping our members apprised as best as possible as we work through this endeavor. Thank you for all who have called and e-mailed volunteering to help with the work ahead of us. I will do my best to keep you informed and engaged. Bart McGlothin Diablo Rod and Gun Club President |
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I also received this message today from Diablo, one of the USI clubs that I belong to. In the written text it refers to "Tonight's meeting with USI" ? What meeting, I received no notification there would be a meeting? Unless it was a closed door "Star Chamber" meeting for club officers and USI. The lack of information and communication is astounding. With a lot of money being lost everyday the club is closed, and winter and (cough) the possible threat of rain to delay work efforts coming up in a few months, we need a plan. I'm unclear what's involved?, zoning, building permits, or lawyer fee's? I'd like to see the range to say primitive as possible. I remember a few months back around the time of extended hours, a questionnaire went out? I remember something to the effect of it asking what do you want done with the new open space across from action pistol range and also asking about an indoor range. I'm just at a loss here to understand what's really going? All I know is we're all in the spotlight now whether we like it or not, and it's in our own best interest to be good patrons of the shootings sports and represent our respective clubs and respect ourselves in seeing this.. "Making Improvements - Advanced Safety Features" campaign through. We just can't afford bickering and dissension in our ranks, it will kill us. And that's just what anti's want. We can't afford to lose or have USI close. What we lose, we will never get back..ever! -g
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The USI Board held their meeting Friday to get updates on this "situation". A course of action was approved and is being implemented. Every club president from all five clubs was present, as well as a mix of about 25 or so members from the various clubs. Everyone heard the full timeline of what happened, when, how, and why. This was a "special meeting" called by the board, so it was "short noticed" according to the time requirements in the bylaws.
The what is going on, what do we need to do, who is doing it, what the costs are, and how long it will take was all discussed, plus some pending facility projects were suspended while the range closure is being handled. The USI Board is very concerned on the closure, and they are hoping that range consultants can quickly assess our facility and report back if there are any corrective measures or range upgrades necessary. In fact, two consultant firms are being hired for this purpose. It was reported at the meeting that "it is unsure" if any lead is leaving the property. That is the only reason that part of our operations has been voluntairly suspended until we can be satisfied our ranges are safe, as they have been for almost 50 years. Due to the nature of the the world we live in, we have no choice but to have things checked out. I recommend any club member with questions contact their club president. At this moment, there is nothing to report until our range consultant can get here and assess the situation. Believe me, when I hear anything, I will be happy to share it with you. Last edited by Andykev; 09-26-2015 at 11:06 PM.. |
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Thanks Kevin.
So to be clear are the range consultants that USI is or will be working with to assess the current set-up and safety a private company, NRA, or both? You had mentioned NRA technical team in a prior post. -g
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Same. I never received the email (checked my spam folder) nor any about the meeting.
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I think from the perspective of a member pretty much the plan is to shoot elsewhere for the remainder of 2015, assume that if they need the general membership's help in some fashion they'll speak up, and hope this doesn't mean that the other ranges I shoot at won't be totally overwhelmed. There's not a lot of extra capacity in the bay area which is why every range is important even if you don't shoot there personally. Kudos to Chabot for stepping up.
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My recollection is that the roof overhang for both public pistol and rifle would not allow a blue sky view to a shooter at the bench, so I don't see how a shooter could lob one over the hill.
That would seem to indicate that we could eliminate those ranges as the cause. |
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I didn't shoot hand guns. But was there every Sunday morning shooting rifle. Lot of bullet streaks in front of the 50 yard targets. Or could be from glancing off the top of the 50 yard berm. It will be interesting to see what the experts come up with.
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Having been a Diablo member for six years and an NRA-certified RSO and a match director for the last four years I can attest that I've never seen a bullet fired at an upward angle needed to clear the hill at the end of the Multi-Purpose (200yd) range.
I hope we members get to read the analyst's reports, given the lack of information that comes from the Board. I can't imagine that projos found were direct "Sky Shots" but rather were ricochets. Looking at the public rifle range it doesn't take much imagination to picture shots impacting high on the 50yd berm being defected upward. A complete re-orientation of the range would be obscenely expensive. Hopefully this can be rectified with the afore-mentioned "eye-brows" placed over the short-distance berms and firing points. And yeah, the (nonexistent) communications about this with membership has been pitiful. We'll see what is said at this week's (Thursday) Diablo Club meeting.... |
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are regurgitated from the top as if we the members are on a need to know basis. I sure hope my dues are retroactive. I've not shot one time at USI since paying my club(s) dues two months ago. The timing for all this is just odd. -g
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Why is there even a 50-yard berm to begin with? Look at the 200-yard range. Or even the 100-yard range at SAC Valley. No need for berms at the 25, 50, 75, 100, etc. lines. All you should need is the one berm at the end of the range. There you go, no more ricochets off 50-yard berm (if that's even happening).
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I'm not sure how you get a ricochet off a dirt berm?
To get up and over the hill would be like skipping a shot off cement or water. -g
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Don't worry.
The inspectors will conclude that they need to build an indoor range and a new two story clubhouse with a deck. And no it won't have anything to do with the questionaire sent out a couple months ago. These are not the droids you're looking for. And rest easy. Their primary focus is getting the public rifle and pistol range open asap. So that way they can get some money and more lead can be flung over the hill. Sorry. I'm feeling a little cynical this morning.
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The problem isnt financial. Its time wasted with reviews, and inspections, and permits. USI could have 14 quadrillion dollars and still cant legally do much construction without the almighty blessing of the county. Or at least thats what USI is claiming...
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Due to the closure of your Rifle/Pistol range, the Livermore-Pleasanton Rod & Gun Club would like to offer USI Rifle/Pistol shooters the opportunity to shoot on our range for a reduced rate. Our non-member fees are $15.00. We will allow USI shooters to shoot for $10.00. They must show our cashiers their current USI Membership Card. This offer is good beginning October 3, 2015 through December 2015. At that time we can re-evaluate the situation. We would like to help keep your shooters shooting.
Regards from the Livermore-Pleasanton Rod & Gun Club Board of Directors: Jim Wyille-President Lorrie Ambrosino-Vice President/Treasurer Ben Richards-Secetary Sam Toy-Chairman of the Board Directors-Frank Lenner, Terry Ludlow, Jim McCullough, Carter Wreden, Mark Thomas |
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While I understand your message and what you're trying to convey, sorry but you're wrong. All members received an email that said "Range closed for emergency maintenance.". No explanation of anything. I (when I started this thread) just happened to be on the receiving end of the DAP message I quoted in the first post. That came a day before the DRG email. So obviously the issue was known and wasn't broadcast to the members in the DRG email. Does sending a one-liner non-explanation seem legit? It doesn't to me. Nor does it seem to the other posters in this thread.
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