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Old 04-08-2019, 3:30 PM
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When is the soonest the Ninth Circuit could announce any decisions in regards to Becerra's appeal?

And is there anything the Ninth Circuit could do within the next few weeks/months to create another opportunity to legally purchase 11+ round magazines?

I know the Ninth Circuit is unlikely to side with us, but just wondering what could potentially happen under a best case scenario, and what the time frame looks like.
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Well, first Becerra has to file his appeal, and until then there is no way to know.
Why do you keep saying this? The Notice of Appeal has been filed. The briefing schedule is set.

Mediation Questionnaire due on 04/11/2019
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When is the soonest the Ninth Circuit could announce any decisions in regards to Becerra's appeal?

And is there anything the Ninth Circuit could do within the next few weeks/months to create another opportunity to legally purchase 11+ round magazines?

I know the Ninth Circuit is unlikely to side with us, but just wondering what could potentially happen under a best case scenario, and what the time frame looks like.
Nothing is going to happen for more than a year, I assure you. Typical times for civil appeals in the Ninth are 12-20 months. This case is not going to be decided (or argued) before then. The Ninth will wait to see what comes down from SCOTUS in NYSRPA next Spring, and then act accordingly (such that they trample on our rights while purporting to follow the SCOTUS's holding).
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Nothing is going to happen for more than a year, I assure you. Typical times for civil appeals in the Ninth are 12-20 months. This case is not going to be decided (or argued) before then. The Ninth will wait to see what comes down from SCOTUS in NYSRPA next Spring, and then act accordingly (such that they trample on our rights while purporting to follow the SCOTUS's holding).

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Thread is now 'stuck' - not much more to say, but it answers an FAQ.

The Michel & Associates page on the case s http://michellawyers.com/duncan-v-becerra/

LVSox, have you a link to Becerra's notice of appeal - I seem to have missed it.
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Why do you keep saying this? The Notice of Appeal has been filed. The briefing schedule is set.

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Nothing is going to happen for more than a year, I assure you. Typical times for civil appeals in the Ninth are 12-20 months. This case is not going to be decided (or argued) before then. The Ninth will wait to see what comes down from SCOTUS in NYSRPA next Spring, and then act accordingly (such that they trample on our rights while purporting to follow the SCOTUS's holding).

These are the right answers.

Hopefully a scheduled hearing next Fall and a decision within 'a year' of that.

Of note: the NY case is scheduled for SCOTUS hearing in the fall, with a decision due in the spring. This, presumably, would time about the same time that the CA9 mulls over their case.
It's possible CA9 stays the hearing until guidance (if any) from the NY case is provided, or they could hear the case, and wait on providing a ruling until the NY decision is out.

Regradless, I think, this case will most definitely be appealed enbanc, so 2021.

Lots of 'ifs' could happen in that time.
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Whatever it is, it will be measured, not in days, but in months. Multiples of 12 months...24/36/48. Kinda like a car warranty.
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Thread is now 'stuck' - not much more to say, but it answers an FAQ.

The Michel & Associates page on the case s http://michellawyers.com/duncan-v-becerra/

LVSox, have you a link to Becerra's notice of appeal - I seem to have missed it.
There’s a copy on the Michel firm’s docket page you just linked. Filed 4/4.
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Why do you keep saying this? The Notice of Appeal has been filed. The briefing schedule is set.

Mediation Questionnaire due on 04/11/2019
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Transcript due 06/03/2019
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Appellees California Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc., Virginia Duncan, Richard Lewis, Patrick Lovette, David Marguglio and Christopher Waddell answering brief due 08/15/2019.
Appellant's optional reply brief is due 21 days after service of the answering brief.
And there will almost certainly be extensions of time to file briefs, so add at least a couple of months to the briefing schedule. And oral argument will be maybe 9-12 months after briefing is complete. And then probably several months to a year before a decision is issued.

So, it'll be a while.
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There’s a copy on the Michel firm’s docket page you just linked. Filed 4/4.
I thought that was a notice of intent to appeal.
And it is to Judge Benitez, not an appeal to the 9th.
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I thought that was a notice of intent to appeal.
And it is to Judge Benitez, not an appeal to the 9th.
That is a notice of appeal. Which gets filed with the District Court. Whose clerk transmits it to the Court of Appeals. Whose clerk dockets the matter. All of those things have been done.
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There’s a copy on the Michel firm’s docket page you just linked. Filed 4/4.
I must have asked for the wrong document - where is it published the dates for events you posted in post 2 here?
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I must have asked for the wrong document - where is it published the dates for events you posted in post 2 here?
In the docketing letter. On PACER. Where most federal court filings and orders live. The case number is 19-55376.

Here’s a free link to the bare bones docket report: https://dockets.justia.com/docket/ci...s/ca9/19-55376

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In the docketing letter. On PACER. Where most federal court filings and orders live. The case number is 19-55376.

Here’s a free link to the bare bones docket report: https://dockets.justia.com/docket/ci...s/ca9/19-55376
Thank you.

You are aware, I'm sure, that the 9th's web site is user-hostile for finding a case without already knowing the case number ...
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Thank you.

You are aware, I'm sure, that the 9th's web site is user-hostile for finding a case without already knowing the case number ...
No, I can’t say I’ve found that to be true. Especially where, as here, one already knows the party names, attorney names, district court case number, etc.
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No, I can’t say I’ve found that to be true. Especially where, as here, one already knows the party names, attorney names, district court case number, etc.
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Why would one have a PACER account without the ability to write off the cost?
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Why would one have a PACER account without the ability to write off the cost?
I guess the answer would be because there is no cost to have a PACER account.

If your actual question is why someone would pay to retrieve court documents without the ability to write off the cost (or have someone else pay), I guess the answer would be because they are usually otherwise unretrievable unless one wanted to visit the court, and one wanted to review them.
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I have had a PACER account ever since I worked for a company that got eaten by a three headed dog in 2002 and cost me $400k. The cost to maintain an account is zero, and the cost per document isn't that much, assuming you know what you are looking for. Browsing, however, can get get expensive.
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Nothing is going to happen for more than a year, I assure you. Typical times for civil appeals in the Ninth are 12-20 months. This case is not going to be decided (or argued) before then. The Ninth will wait to see what comes down from SCOTUS in NYSRPA next Spring, and then act accordingly (such that they trample on our rights while purporting to follow the SCOTUS's holding).
Imagine if the people who manage our justice/court systems today were in charge of the US Govt back when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor:

12/7/41 Secretary of Defense: "Mr. President! Japan has just bombed Pearl Harbor, destroyed a whole bunch of our ships, and killed 2300 men!! What should we do?"
Pres Roosevelt: "Welllllllllll, lets file some papers, and we'll have a meeting about this matter in six months. At that meeting we'll shuffle some more papers and then decide what to do a year later on it. Hopefully, if we do the same thing, with the paper shuffling and twice-a-year meetings for the 5 years or so, by then perhaps Japan will stop being bad to us and make nice again."
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Imagine if the people who manage our justice/court systems today were in charge of the US Govt back when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor:

12/7/41 Secretary of Defense: "Mr. President! Japan has just bombed Pearl Harbor, destroyed a whole bunch of our ships, and killed 2300 men!! What should we do?"
Pres Roosevelt: "Welllllllllll, lets file some papers, and we'll have a meeting about this matter in six months. At that meeting we'll shuffle some more papers and then decide what to do a year later on it. Hopefully, if we do the same thing, with the paper shuffling and twice-a-year meetings for the 5 years or so, by then perhaps Japan will stop being bad to us and make nice again."
You forgot the part that they are just gonna let every enemy combatant across the border. And anyone who calls it an emergency will be attacked while eating dinner.
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Mean while how legal is it to use the 10+ mags we just got in the short window of sanity?
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Mean while how legal is it to use the 10+ mags we just got in the short window of sanity?
Wrong thread and wrong forum - see posts 70 and 71 in the sticky in the CA Laws forum.
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Just to update everybody, Oral arguments are set for Thurs. April 2, 2020 at the Courthouse in Pasadena. Decision will probably not be for some months after that.

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Is there any point in showing up to rally for support of repeal of the mag ban ? I have a group of people in San Diego and la areas that are interested in showing up for oral arguments and having a peaceful support rally outside. I have tried to contact 2a foundation and the FPC and heard nothing.
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Is there any point in showing up to rally for support of repeal of the mag ban ? I have a group of people in San Diego and la areas that are interested in showing up for oral arguments and having a peaceful support rally outside. I have tried to contact 2a foundation and the FPC and heard nothing.
I would certainly support this!
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I'm for being there. I'm sure we could get a nice group together.
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Live stream to oral arguments starts in about an hour and change. 0900.

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Audio is horrible. Do they not know how to mute when not talking?
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Liking the one gun limit compared to mag limit scenario. The squirming is pretty funny. Mother Jones?

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so what was the result?
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so what was the result?
likely nothing for a while. they just heard the arguments. they can take as long as they want. i mean...
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likely nothing for a while. they just heard the arguments. they can take as long as they want. i mean...
They said the court was on recces till tomorrow at 0900hrs so we will see tomorrow entails i guess
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Wow! From about 7:35 mins in, his arguments on why 10 rounds gets dismantles by 2 judges, and he squirms, love it!!

Also, at 16:09...
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Interesting, I won't profess to understanding all of what was said, but here's hoping.
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