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I took the letter to the police and they have a copy. Alas I am moving to Washington in less than 1 month.
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The only thing they have on the website is the standard DOJ app: https://www.marinsheriff.org/assets/...ds/ccw_app.pdf Last edited by Robotron2k84; 01-05-2019 at 7:35 AM.. Reason: Added link |
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Are there ANY Marin Co CGNers who aren't broke, financially and emotionally, and who want to try to improve things in Marin Co??? Yet once again, I don't even live in Marin Co....
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I did not ask for their policy in writing. As I've said in the past, the initial meeting is not recorded and is advisory. If you choose to have a determination made by the sheriff, it will be on file, a record created for you and if you are denied, (99.9% likely, given the sheriff in question), it will go into your record that will be reviewed at any subsequent application.
In addition you now get to claim a recorded denial on your out of state renewal applications. Which may or may not be a problem depending on the jurisdiction. For those of us that have OOS permits and live in Marin, it's a real problem. |
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Anyone in Marin Co ever think of dropping by the SO and getting a copy of their CCW policy in writing??? This ain't rocket science, folks, and they won't cut off your balls and stuff them down your throat if you ask or use a Public Records Act (PRA) request to force them to give you a copy. Anyone ever think of doing that??? Once again, I don't live in Marin Co. What are you guys DOING??? Evil thrives in the dark.... Quote:
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I've got a hunch that since 42 out of 50 states are Shall Issue, if the denial was only for lack of GC (vs criminal record -- lack of GMC), that might matter when the applicant is from 1 of the 8 May Issue states. Maybe. Maybe not.... Marking the box is not a problem. The question is what effect it has on your OOS app (for a SI state?), and so far, that's speculative.
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I believe that Utah will deny based on a previous denial. I'm not going to risk it, however. Whatever the documentation you can get, Doyle is a hardcore anti and will not issue to non-LE.
I can't see what any documentation adventure accomplishes. The sole decision is in the hands of Doyle and his record is well known. There is literally zero chance you will be approved while he remains in office. I'll be retiring to AK in five years. So it's not something I'm gung-ho on fighting at this time. Last edited by Robotron2k84; 01-05-2019 at 12:08 PM.. |
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Based upon what? Where does a UT state webpage say a mere prior denial is dispositive? Or is that internet FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt)?
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First step is knowing what you're dealing with, rather than relying upon rumor and speculation. For example: Are there any CGNers in Marin Co who've applied for a SO CCW within the past 3 years who've used more than mere "self-defense" as GC? If so, how'd it go? What was your GC like? Yeah, that's by state law and applies to ALL CLEOs that issue. Quote:
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Everyone wants a CA CCW and everyone wants someone else to make it possible. Life doesn't work that way.
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You are just as free as anyone on this forum to file a PRA request. I've lived here a quarter century and know the area is highly anti-gun, probably second only to SF in the state. When my tenure in the Bay Area ends I'm moving to free America and the retardation in Marin can consume 100% of the oxygen for I'll I care.
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My personal choice to leave CA / Marin has nothing to do with CCW in Marin, but feel free to think so.
In the grand scheme, getting my CCW here is pretty low on the list, and if I wanted it badly enough I would relocate to a more friendly county. You, nor anyone else is likely to succeed in your quest to turn Marin green. It's the heart of Anti territory and there simply aren't enough who want it to matter. So, I can tilt at windmills for your pleasure and risk my OOS permits, or hang tight until I leave and get an AK permit that is good in 30+ states. It's not a tough call. I'm sorry you feel disappointed. I've already been through the CCW process in Marin and tilting at windmills is an accurate description. |
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Edit: This post was in response to one by Paladin that has since been deleted. My post shall remain for posterity.
So, 53 people over a near 20-year span applied. 12, less than one per year, didn't listen to the undersheriff and submitted their app anyway and were denied. While, 41 LEO or similar were approved. This confirms what I have already told you and posted in this thread about numbers, disposition and chances for success. If you are not in some form of LE position, or tangentially associated, you will not be approved. 12 people thought otherwise and ignored the undersheriff telling them what the outcome would be. That works out to 2.65 applications or renewals submitted to the sheriff per year, with 2.05 approvals per year avg. for the protected class. Do you see now why it's futile with this sheriff? 0.6 apps per year from normal folks as submitted is nearly zero compared to Sac., SD and virtually any other county. No one here really cares about it, there is no groundswell of applicants that would support a pro-CCW sheriff candidate. Even assuming a 10:1 ratio of withdrawn apps to submitted and denied ones, it's still next to zero for all intents. Last edited by Robotron2k84; 03-26-2019 at 8:04 PM.. |
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Why are you even replying to my posts then? Except where I've quoted you, they're not direct to you but to all CGNers in Marin Co. With the amount of effort you've spent in snide replies, you could have emailed your OOS instructor, asked them if a denial for insufficient GC would hurt your OOS permit chances and asked them upon what they based their opinion upon. But no.... Whatever dude.
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Heck, you aren't willing to ask for a copy of their written CCW policy (a state law requirement). If they refuse, you could file a PRA request. If they refuse that, you could ask a state judge for a writ of mandamus, ordering the sheriff's office to obey state law and give you a copy. Like I said before, "kick 'em in the balls." Maybe there's someone else in Marin Co willing to do that. (I don't live in Marin Co.) Quote:
Hopefully, SCOTUS will give us a Carry win within 2 years. But in case we don't, why not start fighting now? (This is not directed to Robotron.)
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Undersheriff Ridgway retired. New undersheriff is prior LT. Doyle no plans to retire after current term.
Here's your policy doc: https://www.marinsheriff.org/assets/.../ADM-01-01.pdf Peace out. |
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Thanks for the link to the policy. On p. 1 under PROCEDURES it says: Quote:
Acc to this article, back in 2018 July 01 Marin Co had 22 issued CCWs. https://www.mercedsunstar.com/site-s...232198382.html
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You should also monitor local press/media for any news of Doyle talking about retiring. Maybe even befriend a deputy to get any inside info re. Doyle retiring.
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Best advice for now is move slightly north to Sonoma Co (e.g., Petaluma). Essick is readily issuing CCWs.
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2 years down, 2 years to go until the next sheriff's election. Any word if Sheriff Robert Doyle will be stepping down or running again?
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For those thinking about applying, below is the latest revision of my breakdown of the meaning of the Dark Red, Light Red and Yellow categories. If you do apply, be sure to let us know, via a post, or at least me, via a PM, how it went and any insights you can share. Marin Co is currently Dark Red on the CA CCW GC map. I encourage people with Dark Red GC apply. People with Light Red have a chance, but we don’t know how much of one due to insufficient data. People with Yellow GC should apply if they really want a CCW and are willing to be denied for insufficient GC (it does NOT hurt your chances in the future).
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FWIW there’s a new Carry case before SCOTUS presently asking for cert.: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1676407
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Time for Marin Co CGNers to attend “meet & greet” events ($$$), and encourage CCW GC liberalization.
Before that just track down campaign websites to see what’s posted there, if anything, regarding CCWs.
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If one candidate sounds more pro CCW than the other, volunteer to help their campaign. If EMILY (“early money is like yeast”), well so are early volunteers—you can have a disproportionate impact on the campaign and election.
You Marin Co people have to step up and do this. (No, I don’t live in Marin Co.) |
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Any news regarding contenders running for sheriff?
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I sent messages to both candidates a week or so back, regarding their stance on CCW. Zero responses.
The absolute number of 2A-supporting gun owners in the county is minuscule. The theoretical boost from such a cohort is not likely to affect the outcome of the race, and politically it’s in neither candidate’s best interest to attempt to mine that limited resource. Restrictive gun laws and policy are seen as a feature, not a bug in this county, and keeping the same related policies will be effective, as a campaign strategy. Where the two are spending most of their energy in differentiation is how “woke” can they be with reference to not following immigration law and a race to the bottom to make LE useless. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see a push in the next cycle, here, to disarm law enforcement completely. I think it’s safe to say, given the environment and candidate backgrounds, neither of the two, current, candidates will be improving the situation in Marin, for CCW. I will have left California by the time the next sheriff is installed, so I won’t be able to test their willingness to issue, post-election. Hopefully, for those still waiting for the day liberalized-CCW appears in Marin, someone else enters the contest. But, my guess is that Scardina will be continuing the status quo after Doyle. Just remember that only Doyle and Charles Prandi have held the top position in the past 38 years (since the time the county flipped majority-Democrat). Doyle was Prandi’s pick and ran unopposed a couple of times. Scardina is Doyle’s pick. Only one in seven eligible county residents is a registered Republican, and the trend is seeing that number shrink at each election. The values of the average Marin resident are now heavily-skewed in favor of socialistic goals. Guns are deemed scary and one of the premier U.S. Congressional gun-banners, Jared Huffman, is a resident of San Rafael. Sadly, these are the politics of Marin, and the only way CCW will ever be liberalized here is via SCOTUS intervention or some unforeseen event that radically changes people’s view of the Second Amendment. Sonoma county issuing will probably drain the last of any real support for CCW in Marin, as those individuals only need move 10-25 miles north to have their rights restored. . Last edited by Robotron2k84; 04-06-2021 at 11:23 PM.. |
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It appears that Paladin has been banned; not sure if that is a permanent action, or temporary.
In any case SCOTUS, today, decided to grant Certiorari to the NYSRPA case pertaining to denial of permits, in New York, on grounds of self-defense being insufficient “good-cause” for carrying concealed, outside the home. With any luck, we will get a ruling that affirms the right to bear arms in some fashion beyond the curtilage of the home, and a possibility of shall-issue, for reasons of self-defense, as the standard for issue, nationwide. NRA Press Release: https://www.nraila.org/articles/2021...led-carry-case SCOTUSBlog Coverage: https://www.scotusblog.com/2021/04/c...n-rights-case/ SCOTUS Docket Entry: https://www.supremecourt.gov/docket/...ic/20-843.html Calguns Discussion Thread: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1676407 |
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I would suggest kicking the sentimental SCOTUS posts over to the National thread, posted above.
While speculation is a fun game, no one knows where this will end up. Let’s keep the thread open for Marin updates as they occur. |
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We’re now halfway through 2021. Any news about Doyle’s retirement or the contenders for his job?
While our best chance for real CCW change in the last holdout anti counties is a SCOTUS Carry Case win, we’ve been disappointed many many times by the federal courts, including SCOTUS, over the past decade or so. Best to fight every fight we can to advance our pro RKBA agenda.
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None.
McGill made some noises at a recent BOS meeting, promptly got the stink eye and has been quiet since. I half-expect him to drop out of the race before the end of the year. It’s clear that he doesn’t garner the necessary support. |
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Had an interesting conversation with a colleague today regarding obtaining a CCW in Marin. His application has been pending for 4 months to date. He's been working with the Undersheriff, Jamie Scardina throughout the process.
He's got just cause for a license as he carries expensive equipment throughout the county and has been robbed once at gun point and approached by another individual with a shotgun. Anyhow, he described Scardina's position on the matter somewhat positive but ultimately intimated that nothing will happen so long as Doyle is in power. Scardina did say they are leaving the application as pending indefinitely so as not to have a denial on his record. Whether this means Scardina will be open to issuing permits if he supplants Doyle remains unclear. I've asked a number of MCS officers about the matter and whether they know of Scardina's position, none had any insight. |
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Ridgway said the same things. However, I’m not convinced once Doyle leaves that anything will change so long as the promotion happens from within. The political pressure to undercut Sheriffs with an oversight board is ramping up. For now, the law says such a board is only advisory, but the gears are already turning to make Sheriffs bend to the will of county boards.
Should that occur (a new law is required, but likely), and SCOTUS do nothing by next year, it’s possible CCW ceases to be available in many counties, as boards decide to curtail it for public safety and the Ninth has said there is no right to concealed permits. |
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This is more of the “grass-roots” activism (Soros) that drives the insane policy coming from Sacramento, and although Doyle is unloved by the 2A-loving folks here, he has stood up for the sheriff’s prerogative in their job and discretion. The next sheriff probably won’t do that, and Sacramento is making noises of removing some authority, as well. Given the trajectory of this state and the idiot voters and the idiots they elect, it’s only a matter of time before county boards have the power to overrule sheriffs. |
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Sheriff candidates campaign websites
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Adam McGill: https://www.mcgill4marinsheriff.com/ Jamie Scardina: https://www.scardinasheriff.org/ I’ll let Marin Co CGNers see if there’s any mention of CCWs on those websites. I’ll also let them periodically search for other candidates. (No, I don’t live in Marin Co)
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